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mstateglfr

mstateglfr

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fishwater99 said:
I agree, but Jarvis never really developed his game beyond rebounding and layups, and that is on Stans and his coaches.
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A little truth and a little dev advo here- Why isnt it on the player to develop his game over 4 years? Private shooting coaches etc?
I agree coaches exist in part to develop the players, but still...


There was this incredible(geek interest) report last year about how to maximize employee satisfaction. It contrasted the approach of improving weaknesses versus the approach of focusing on strengths. Ends up managers who found ways to highlight and maximize employee strengths had employees who were both more satisfied and more productive, compared to employees whose managers placed their employees in jobs and projects where weaknesses would have to be developed.

Anyways, something to always consider when it comes to athletics. We all want ourselves/kids/players we follow to develop skills they arent great at in the hope that more rounded players will make for more dynamic and productive players. Perhaps that is true when it comes to someone like Durant who has the skill set and gift to hone weaknesses into strengths, but years of research shows the opposite to be more likely.
 
DawgatAuburn

DawgatAuburn

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BeardoMSU said:
I was not referring to the list above, as much as the players I mentioned, and the ones I didn't. Irvin, Ben, Osby, the Delks, Phil, Rodney (who, mark my words, is gonna ball out at Duke), and this past lot of recruits in Stans' final "heralded" class. And again, how these players were used is likely the prime issue in why they chose to leave....and whose fault is that? A one word answer will suffice, baby cakes.
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Five star recruit, with a year's experience at high D-1 (sort of), coached by one the greatest of all time......that's quite a limb you are stepping out on.
 
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Brad Stevens.sixpack

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Irondawg said:
The list of players basically proves a certain point - basketball in MS and for the most part the entire SE is terrible. Terrible coaching and the few good players get so coddled by coaches and AAU and other leeches that they generally have some character flaws that surface. So for the most part they are terrible fundamentally along with personal issues. Obviously a few exceptions, but that's the trend.

And it's the same in LA, Bama, TN which is why other than KY's national recruiting and FL, you haven't seen many teams in the SE have any measure of sustained success. There is just very little homegrown talent.
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I agree with you except on one point. There is definitely talent in the Southeast, just not much talent that has been coached well. I think that's what you meant anyways. Athletes on the basketball court are plentiful (as they are on the football field), but it's much more difficult to instill a work ethic and basic fundamentals when a kid has just been used to "hooping" his whole life. It really is an indictment on the quality of the coaches in high school basketball in MS.
 
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mstateglfr said:
A little truth and a little dev advo here- Why isnt it on the player to develop his game over 4 years? Private shooting coaches etc?
I agree coaches exist in part to develop the players, but still...


There was this incredible(geek interest) report last year about how to maximize employee satisfaction. It contrasted the approach of improving weaknesses versus the approach of focusing on strengths. Ends up managers who found ways to highlight and maximize employee strengths had employees who were both more satisfied and more productive, compared to employees whose managers placed their employees in jobs and projects where weaknesses would have to be developed.

Anyways, something to always consider when it comes to athletics. We all want ourselves/kids/players we follow to develop skills they arent great at in the hope that more rounded players will make for more dynamic and productive players. Perhaps that is true when it comes to someone like Durant who has the skill set and gift to hone weaknesses into strengths, but years of research shows the opposite to be more likely.
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I think I understand what you are saying here, and it makes sense. However, a team suffers tremendously when everyone has the same weaknesses. When every player you recruit has never played a simple help-defense in man to man or has never read a screen and come off the screen based on how the defense plays you, then it becomes a big mess on the court. And, for the most part, that is what we saw under Stansbury. There were great athletes who could run, shoot, dunk, and occasionally rebound... but there was consistently a gap in simple, sound defense and simple, sound offense.

Again, I like maximizing strengths. If everyone has the same weaknesses, we are either recruiting wrong or not coaching well (or both). In the small sample size of last season, I saw more teamwork and solid defense (in flashes) than I did under Stansbury in a long time. That gives me hope that Ray knows how to coach, how to develop, and hopefully how to recruit strengths where there are weaknesses. We will see.
 
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KurtRambis4

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No way

any of this is true. It's completely stains/stands fault that Swat wasn't 270+ of pure muscle and unable to knock down 15' jumpers all day.
 
DawgatAuburn

DawgatAuburn

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I am very "accustom" to it. I have trouble recognize it when it is extremely poorly done.
 
DawgatAuburn

DawgatAuburn

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Regardless, predicting a good year for Hood is about as daring as saying Alabama has a chance at a bowl game this year.
 
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Irondawg

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Yep the coaching is substandard at all the levels and also very few of the top athletes play/focus on basketball. There's a reason all those midwestern mid-majors get to the dance and play well every year. There's just more talent there and wish we would focus some recruiting efforts that way.
 
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