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KingLando

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It's changed literally everyday.

Rhule, Urban, then Hartline, then Elko, then Drink, then Key, then Deboer, Sitake, Riley, - and now Heupel.

I've been quick to trash Kraft during this process because it seemed like we were getting turned down left and right. But what if we only offered it to Elko? Who's to say any of these are just smoke screens. Drink said he never even interviewed. On Saturday, there were insiders claiming Deboer was a done deal.

All these other teams have announced their coach - we have not. So either our new coach is still playing in a CCG or the CFP, or Kraft truly hasn't offered it to someone yet. I'm going to choose to think our guy is still playing and there's been an agreement that we wouldnt go public until next week or the week after. Doesn't seem like Kraft gives a **** about the 2026 class.
Rumors have changed...many started by agents looking for extensions
I agree with your assessment...we have our guy...I dont think it's that he doesn't care about the 2026 class...its just not a priority. Getting the right guy is.
 

MtNittany

All-Conference
Oct 12, 2021
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I've said it before regarding recruiting. There are still players that commit to a University and a program, not a coach. They most likely aren't the majority today, but they're still out there.
 

psu83

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May 29, 2001
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It's changed literally everyday.

Rhule, Urban, then Hartline, then Elko, then Drink, then Key, then Deboer, Sitake, Riley, - and now Heupel.

I've been quick to trash Kraft during this process because it seemed like we were getting turned down left and right. But what if we only offered it to Elko? Who's to say any of these are just smoke screens. Drink said he never even interviewed. On Saturday, there were insiders claiming Deboer was a done deal.

All these other teams have announced their coach - we have not. So either our new coach is still playing in a CCG or the CFP, or Kraft truly hasn't offered it to someone yet. I'm going to choose to think our guy is still playing and there's been an agreement that we wouldnt go public until next week or the week after. Doesn't seem like Kraft gives a **** about the 2026 class.
Why should he? One of the biggest problems Franklin had was bringing in coordinators that didn't fit the team in place. AK and Knowles had to try and fit their schemes to the players Franklin had recruited and it obviously didn't work. I don't know if AK or Knowles will ever succeed at State unless they're allowed to recruit for their schemes instead of visa versa, if they're retained. Worse thing that could be done would be retain commitments from players the new coach wouldn't want only to tell them look elsewhere when he comes in. Its going to be painful but cut bait until the new coach is named and go from there, hopefully some players will follow to help with roster holes, utilize transfer portal and bring in recruits that the coach wants. Far from perfect but only thing I see playing out.
 

PSUSignore

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I love how everyone thinks the portal is this magic recipe for success. As Saban said a few weeks ago, you can’t live in the portal and have long term success. The portal is beneficial to help booster a roster than needs a player here and there or add depth. Thinking you can assemble an entire roster of portal players and win gets you Colorado like results.
We aren't looking for long term success in the portal. We are looking for a short term stop gap until the next coach has time to start building a proper roster through both high school recruiting and the portal beginning with the 27 class.
 

PSUSignore

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Not to be Debbie Downer here, but the reality is that the moment the games ended on Saturday, all these kids (particularly the high end ones) who plan on entering the portal already had their people contacting other schools trying to make their deals. This is a critical week, for both national signing day as well as the transfer portal, if we don't have a coach in the next day or so, our entire team next year will be made up with kids who couldn't make it in other schools and had no other options but to come to Penn State.
Somewhat agree, but don't forget that Kraft would have know that this roster and recruiting attrition was coming. He's almost certainly been securing money to spend in the portal this whole time. PSU will likely try to pull some of the biggest names in the portal by throwing the biggest bag at them, so we won't only be getting the table scraps.
 

PSUSignore

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That's not the same if we're being honest. Cig brought a bunch of JMU players that he already knew, already coached and those players were already familiar with Cig, his coordinators and their coaching style and schemes. The variable that changed was the team name but the rest stayed the same for most of his portal guys. That is not the same as pulling 1-2 recruits from dozens of different programs across the country and putting them under a whole new set of coaches.
 
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PaRURALGUY35

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Nov 30, 2025
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We aren't looking for long term success in the portal. We are looking for a short term stop gap until the next coach has time to start building a proper roster through both high school recruiting and the portal beginning with the 27 class.
100%!! The 2026 class is not a worry. You can use the portal to address that issue and build recruiting going forward. Getting the coach in and building to their system is what is important.
 
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DaytonRickster

All-Conference
May 29, 2001
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It's changed literally everyday.

Rhule, Urban, then Hartline, then Elko, then Drink, then Key, then Deboer, Sitake, Riley, - and now Heupel.

I've been quick to trash Kraft during this process because it seemed like we were getting turned down left and right. But what if we only offered it to Elko? Who's to say any of these are just smoke screens. Drink said he never even interviewed. On Saturday, there were insiders claiming Deboer was a done deal.

All these other teams have announced their coach - we have not. So either our new coach is still playing in a CCG or the CFP, or Kraft truly hasn't offered it to someone yet. I'm going to choose to think our guy is still playing and there's been an agreement that we wouldnt go public until next week or the week after. Doesn't seem like Kraft gives a **** about the 2026 class.
Next week or the week after is too late. The 2026 class has practically disappeared and I expect portal defections are close behind unless this game ends.
Chesney should be told the job is his but he must leave JMU today.
These are the harsh realities of college football today.
 
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WaffleShopper

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It's changed literally everyday.

Rhule, Urban, then Hartline, then Elko, then Drink, then Key, then Deboer, Sitake, Riley, - and now Heupel.

I've been quick to trash Kraft during this process because it seemed like we were getting turned down left and right. But what if we only offered it to Elko? Who's to say any of these are just smoke screens. Drink said he never even interviewed. On Saturday, there were insiders claiming Deboer was a done deal.

All these other teams have announced their coach - we have not. So either our new coach is still playing in a CCG or the CFP, or Kraft truly hasn't offered it to someone yet. I'm going to choose to think our guy is still playing and there's been an agreement that we wouldnt go public until next week or the week after. Doesn't seem like Kraft gives a **** about the 2026 class.
Kraft had two choices:
  • Wait and hire someone from his top tier and nuke the 2026 class
  • Hire a second tier guy earlier and try to save as many 2026 recruits as possible
I doubt Kraft doesn’t care about the 2026 class, he’s just looking at 2027-2030 instead of being short sighted. If we make Terry Smith the permanent HC in October or hire another second tier coach, how many 2026 guys are we going to save anyway?

The #1 goal is getting the hire right, not saving one recruiting class. If we miss on someone we really want there’s always the portal to get him later or the recruit can request a release from their NLI.
 

PSU4U

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Next week or the week after is too late. The 2026 class has practically disappeared and I expect portal defections are close behind unless this game ends.
Chesney should be told the job is his but he must leave JMU today.
These are the harsh realities of college football today.
Seems to me this search is on the brink now. If all these reaches are true which I have some doubt Kraft would be grasping at straws.
 
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Nits1989

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That's not the same if we're being honest. Cig brought a bunch of JMU players that he already knew, already coached and those players were already familiar with Cig, his coordinators and their coaching style and schemes. The variable that changed was the team name but the rest stayed the same for most of his portal guys. That is not the same as pulling 1-2 recruits from dozens of different programs across the country and putting them under a whole new set of coaches.
What’s most impressive is that the JMU recruits are excelling in the Big 10.
 

WestSideLion

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If it’s a current head coach, they could also presumably be bringing several of their own previous commitments with them.
Not if said coach is announced after signing day. The majority of recruits will sign this week. If the next guy is secured but a secret, then none of those recruits will know.
 

WestSideLion

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Kraft had two choices:
  • Wait and hire someone from his top tier and nuke the 2026 class
  • Hire a second tier guy earlier and try to save as many 2026 recruits as possible
I doubt Kraft doesn’t care about the 2026 class, he’s just looking at 2027-2030 instead of being short sighted. If we make Terry Smith the permanent HC in October or hire another second tier coach, how many 2026 guys are we going to save anyway?

The #1 goal is getting the hire right, not saving one recruiting class. If we miss on someone we really want there’s always the portal to get him later or the recruit can request a release from their NLI.
I can get behind that approach. I just hope that is Kraft’s plan.
 

Connorpozlee

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Not if said coach is announced after signing day. The majority of recruits will sign this week. If the next guy is secured but a secret, then none of those recruits will know.
Right, but they could hold off on signing until the coach has landed somewhere officially.
 

KingLando

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Nov 29, 2021
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That's not the same if we're being honest. Cig brought a bunch of JMU players that he already knew, already coached and those players were already familiar with Cig, his coordinators and their coaching style and schemes. The variable that changed was the team name but the rest stayed the same for most of his portal guys. That is not the same as pulling 1-2 recruits from dozens of different programs across the country and putting them under a whole new set of coaches.
He did bring a lot of JMU guys but he also brought in other guys and has continued to do so. I'm not looking to duplicate that success...just using it to start the build
 
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KingLando

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Next week or the week after is too late. The 2026 class has practically disappeared and I expect portal defections are close behind unless this game ends.
Chesney should be told the job is his but he must leave JMU today.
These are the harsh realities of college football today.
Next Monday is fine
 

WPB_lion

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Jun 5, 2001
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Hoping and praying are right but starting to think, call it a gut feeling, it is a proverbial s***show!
I agree. I have a feeling that we are waiting for a home run hire (Deboer?) who has not yet committed and may never come. If that is the case and we miss, this is a proverbial s***show like you state.

If the hire were already in place and it is someone like Hartline or Chesney where the PSU job is clearly an upgrade over their current job, we should be dictating that they have to go public ASAP to salvage what they can of the current team and the recruiting class. If OSU or JMU won't let them finish their seasons, then too bad, the PSU head coaching job has to take precedent or we have to move on. The damage being done by waiting is significant. The fact that there has not been an announcement by either Hartline or Chesney indicates to me that they are not yet in place as a hire and we are waiting for the home run hire. If Hartline or Chesney have agreed to become the coach and are dictating the terms of when they announce, then it is a s***show.
 

Connorpozlee

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I agree. I have a feeling that we are waiting for a home run hire (Deboer?) who has not yet committed and may never come. If that is the case and we miss, this is a proverbial s***show like you state.

If the hire were already in place and it is someone like Hartline or Chesney where the PSU job is clearly an upgrade over their current job, we should be dictating that they have to go public ASAP to salvage what they can of the current team and the recruiting class. If OSU or JMU won't let them finish their seasons, then too bad, the PSU head coaching job has to take precedent or we have to move on. The damage being done by waiting is significant. The fact that there has not been an announcement by either Hartline or Chesney indicates to me that they are not yet in place as a hire and we are waiting for the home run hire.
Just got an update that Chesney is signing a 5-year deal with UCLA that will be announced after his conference championship game.
 

WaffleShopper

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Just got an update that Chesney is signing a 5-year deal with UCLA that will be announced after his conference championship game.
scared harry potter GIF
 

WaffleShopper

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Just got an update that Chesney is signing a 5-year deal with UCLA that will be announced after his conference championship game.
Was really trying to convince myself it’s Chesney so if it’s true I will be a little disappointed.

Hartline is good too I just don’t think the CCG is important enough for an assistant to hold off for an extra week. Let someone else call the plays and work out the kinks before the playoffs. If they lose the CCG they’ll still get a bye.
 

BobPSU92

Heisman
Aug 22, 2001
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Well if nobody is announced by signing day, that is AD malpractice. If that happens, then Kraft should be summarily dismissed. He has a day and a half to make the announcement.

Kraft is probably sitting back and having a good laugh right now. “They’re sweating, and I’m still getting paid! 🤣

😞
 

MtNittany

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Oct 12, 2021
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Unless it's Urban or Gruden (which it's not), I'm ok w/ Manny. He never got a fair shake at Miami - who's facilities at the time were about the worst in D1.
 

LB99

Heisman
Oct 27, 2021
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12,783
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Kraft had two choices:
  • Wait and hire someone from his top tier and nuke the 2026 class
  • Hire a second tier guy earlier and try to save as many 2026 recruits as possible
I doubt Kraft doesn’t care about the 2026 class, he’s just looking at 2027-2030 instead of being short sighted. If we make Terry Smith the permanent HC in October or hire another second tier coach, how many 2026 guys are we going to save anyway?

The #1 goal is getting the hire right, not saving one recruiting class. If we miss on someone we really want there’s always the portal to get him later or the recruit can request a release from their NLI.
You make good points, however as I see it, it isn’t just about PSU’s 2026 committed class. If they would have had a guy in place, the new HC could not only try to recruit back some of PSU’s guys, but also kick the tires on some other guys PSU initially missed on, like O’Brien etc. However, that is water under the bridge now. It’s too late. The timing just sucks. It’s a product of the current college football calendar more than anything. I understand the importance of getting the hire right, but punting on entire recruiting cycle is hard to swallow.