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Ludd

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Perhaps you are not addressing me, per se, but I am one of the people who constantly talked about how good of a recruiter CJF is. That was his biggest aptitude. However, I fully disagree that Penn State cannot be better than the 30s without James Franklin. That is way too pessimistic, in my view. Paterno, when he wasn’t even really recruiting anymore, still averaged better classes than that. For every class he had in the 30’s, he had a class in the top 10. He had plenty in the teens.
Paterno coached in a different time with more talent in his backyard. Also, I didn’t say they couldn’t be better than the 30’a without Franklin, I said if they got someone who is a good recruiter like Franklin, they’ll get around the top 15 like Franklin did…but there aren’t any really good recruiters left to hire.
 

Ludd

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Well one thing we know for sure…a good recruiter with terrible on-field coaching sure doesn’t get it done. Especially not in big games.
And a good on field coaching who’s a terrible recruiter doesn’t get it done either….theres a ton of examples of those.
 

PAgeologist

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Perhaps you are not addressing me, per se, but I am one of the people who constantly talked about how good of a recruiter CJF is. That was his biggest aptitude. However, I fully disagree that Penn State cannot be better than the 30s without James Franklin. That is way too pessimistic, in my view. Paterno, when he wasn’t even really recruiting anymore, still averaged better classes than that. For every class he had in the 30’s, he had a class in the top 10. He had plenty in the teens.
I dont disagree with your assessment on JP at all. However, the recruiting landscape has changed a lot. PA barely produces any high end players anymore. Plus, and I may be wrong on this, it seems more teams work harder at building a good football team. And even though Joe wasnt recruiting much, he was still there and kids wanted to play for him.
 
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Binder74

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Youre totally right...you need a master recruiter and a wonderful gameday coach. How many are out there right now? Honestly? How many of them want this job right now? I think Campbell is a homerun if we pull him in....he'll have a huge NIL to compete for players.....we just need someone that can coach and stabilize for now.
If we can get him and keep Terry, it could be a winning combination.
 

Fred8811

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Paterno coached in a different time with more talent in his backyard. Also, I didn’t say they couldn’t be better than the 30’a without Franklin, I said if they got someone who is a good recruiter like Franklin, they’ll get around the top 15 like Franklin did…but there aren’t any really good recruiters left to hire.

Many overlooked.
I mean -
Campbell is a much better coach than Franklin and more effective in player development. The question is, can he recruit as well as Franklin in this region? Do we want the next coach to be a CEO or are we going to put a structure in place with a GM and office staff to handle some of those CEO type duties? If he is expected to be a CEO, then maybe he’s not an effective replacement of Franklin. If we’re looking for a real football coach, then Campbell is a worthy replacement of Franklin who may have a higher ceiling.
 

PSUForever

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Many overlooked.
I mean -
Campbell is a much better coach than Franklin and more effective in player development. The question is, can he recruit as well as Franklin in this region? Do we want the next coach to be a CEO or are we going to put a structure in place with a GM and office staff to handle some of those CEO type duties? If he is expected to be a CEO, then maybe he’s not an effective replacement of Franklin. If we’re looking for a real football coach, then Campbell is a worthy replacement of Franklin who may have a higher ceiling.
We need to hire a GM to do the NIL negotiations and player acquisition responsibilities, etc. The new coach should be a football coach, not a CEO.
 

BobPSU92

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Based on what? He has much a less impressive record against much less impressive competition. So how do you claim he is a much better field coach?

 

TheWizardofCamelot

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Campbell is an elite evaluator and the king of doing more with less. Pair that with a bigger draw in PSU and I think it’s a match made in heaven. This would be an elite hire.

Campbell has never had anything near at his disposal that Franklin did. Give him a big NIL budget and a good GM and watch out.

Just get this done and I’ll forget the last week and a half.
 

Connorpozlee

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If Campbell can’t sustain Penn State in the top-15 for recruiting classes, then it’ll be a wasted experiment bringing him in. I’m not a Terry guy, but at that point I’d rather try the experiment with Terry Smith since he has plenty of experience recruiting the level of players we need. But, Kraft won’t do that because he can’t.

Saying Penn State does not recruit itself, goes too far in its hyperbole, but it is true that Penn State requires a high-level recruiter more so than some of the other big football schools we compete against for players. That is why I don’t care for anyone who cannot recruit at a high level.
Our recruiting will go pretty much as high as our NIL recruiting money goes.
 

KingLando

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But you’re only playing three OOC games in the Big. We’ll see how many 10 win teams the SEC has when they go to nine conference games.
And look at the quality of the OOC games in both conferences--both play bad teams--we play more bad teams.
 

SRURock24

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Based on what? He has much a less impressive record against much less impressive competition. So how do you claim he is a much better field coach?
Look At the wasteland of Iowa State football before he arrived. For years. He does more with less. If you want to try and tell me James was a good recruiter fine. If you want to tell me he is a good program CEO fine. He is not a good gameday coach.
 

Ludd

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Youre totally right...you need a master recruiter and a wonderful gameday coach. How many are out there right now? Honestly? How many of them want this job right now? I think Campbell is a homerun if we pull him in....he'll have a huge NIL to compete for players.....we just need someone that can coach and stabilize for now.
I would love to get him too, but I’m not getting my hopes up since Kraft is the one handling it.
 
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Ludd

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Many overlooked.
I mean -
Campbell is a much better coach than Franklin and more effective in player development. The question is, can he recruit as well as Franklin in this region? Do we want the next coach to be a CEO or are we going to put a structure in place with a GM and office staff to handle some of those CEO type duties? If he is expected to be a CEO, then maybe he’s not an effective replacement of Franklin. If we’re looking for a real football coach, then Campbell is a worthy replacement of Franklin who may have a higher ceiling.
We’re not getting Campbell.
 

fastlax16

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I like Campbell, but Kraft had one job and screwed it up. If neeli keeps him, there is no accountability

I was just trying to be lighthearted. Process has sucked. Campbell wouldn’t though. And Franklin trolled Kraft so some turnabout would be fair play.