The Big has more teams with winning records than the SEC. You’re overselling the depth of the SEC.
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Smart move. Why would he risk tarnishing his career coming into a dumpster fire where there are no incoming 2026 recruits; the existing recruiting staff is decimated; and players on the roster with eligibility are actively campaigning for another guy, and if their gambit fails will portal out?
This is absurd. Fighting for Joe doesn't the opposite of what those fighting want. The more our fan base fights the stronger the narrative becomes
Just repeating what someone mentioned. I wasn't agreeing with his decision.
I'm not. Our SOS was 18th. 11 SEC teams are higher than us. ELEVEN.
We also have more teams than the SWC
How many won 10+? How about 9+?
I don't care if you win 7 or 4...that's garbage. Better garbage is still garbage.
Just wait till they play 9 conference games, they better get there 5 teams in the playoff this year.
Campbell lead contender?? I am good with that. Can he attract elite QBs? Who would we get as an OC? Is he less of a CEO than you know who? I hope so and more of a football coach. I think we need to hire a GM to support him.
Can we keep the discussion to coaching candidates and not this inane bickering about Joe and Joe bots? Joe was a great man, a great coach and literally built Penn State football into the powerhouse blue blood it is today. He has been dead for almost 14 years, never forget him but let's move forward.
Can we keep the discussion to coaching candidates and not this inane bickering about Joe and Joe bots? Joe was a great man, a great coach and literally built Penn State football into the powerhouse blue blood it is today. He has been dead for almost 14 years, never forget him but let's move forward.
Maybe to get away from a place where’s he never going to win. I know it’s hard to believe but most of these coaches have self confidence and feel they can fix a problem situation. Franklin stepped into a worse situation.
Who cares about the “narrative.” That does not determine right or wrong.
It’s a shame you did not know Franco. He might be able to straighten you out? But you probably think you know more about Penn State than him lol!!
There are more important things in life than football scores.
But if you have more teams (and a higher percentage) of teams with winning records, that’s more depth. The SEC rides on the names of many of their programs in a lot of years to give them the perception of depth (like this year) but teams like South Carolina, Florida, and LSU were not good teams this year.
He has been very content at Iowa State and has been offered many jobs that he has turned down. I do not see this an appealing option given all the variables at play. Could he make the move? Maybe. But it is the the farthest thing from a slam dunk than some imagine
I feel like this is just as much a long shot as Kalani Sitake—maybe even more so considering who he’s turned down in the past—but in the outside chance he accepts, he could bring as much of his roster as he wants and all the recruits that just signed.
The way this has been going, if Campbell is in fact meeting with the president tomorrow, we are out of the running for him too.
You all fighting it care about the narrative or you wouldn't be fighting it. The narrative determines the legacy which is why people care.
You realize Franco lost his mind at the end, right?
100% there's more important things than football scores--that's the point
He could. But the talent discrepancy (50th ranked class, not one higher than a 3*) may very give him pause. What sets him up for success? More importantly, does he want to work for Kraft? Reports are that the President is getting more involved in the search, while the BOT are pushing for Terry (simply to stop the bleeding). I am not sure how all this shakes out, but I am curious to see what it looks like in the next few years.
The Big Ten had 3 teams with 10+ wins and two others that won 9
The SEC has six 10 win teams plus Texas who won 9 losing a non-conference game to Ohio State.
That's depth
10/16 had a winning record in the SEC
10/18 had a winning record in the big Ten
You realize 6-6 isn't a winning record, right?
The higher percentage is the SEC
Head coaches don’t leave Alabama for something “better.”
Why?
Because there isn’t anything better.
Been saying that all along. Why would he want to take such a drastic step down?
That is how to hold a press conference. Obviously
We don't have more teams or a higher percentage
Plus depth is winning not being mediocre
I was counting .500 and above, but it’s not a level playing field since the SEC plays four OOC games. Both conferences are pretty equal and have been for quite some time. This idea that coaches would run away from the SEC and embrace playing in the Big is just ludicrous.
This post is the kiss of death for PSU getting Campbell. When one of these comes out, the coach gets more money and Penn State is left holding air. Who’s next (to say no)?
Can Campbell recruit high level blue chip players? Can he win some of the battles Franklin started to lose? If not, then forget about winning more than CJF did. If he can, then it’ll be a great hire because I trust him as a game day coach.
At this point we aren’t getting anyone that can recruit better than Franklin, that much is a given. So no matter who we hire, we’re looking at recruiting classes in the 30’s for the next few years. What some people on here won’t accept is that Penn State does not recruit itself which is likely one of the reasons we can’t get a coach.
500 isn't a winning record by definition
You're grasping at straws here with the "we have more teams with a winning record"
They have 7 legit teams--we have 4 or 5 depending on what you think of USC
That's like saying being a taller midget matters
500 in college football means you were awful in conference play
Exactly
LOL egg on many faces here thinking he was who Kraft was after or was some 3d chess smokescreen ... get a clue that its Kraft has no clue and out of his league ...
Occam's Razor plain and simple
If Campbell can’t sustain Penn State in the top-15 for recruiting classes, then it’ll be a wasted experiment bringing him in. I’m not a Terry guy, but at that point I’d rather try the experiment with Terry Smith since he has plenty of experience recruiting the level of players we need. But, Kraft won’t do that because he can’t.
Saying Penn State does not recruit itself, goes too far in its hyperbole, but it is true that Penn State requires a high-level recruiter more so than some of the other big football schools we compete against for players. That is why I don’t care for anyone who cannot recruit at a high level.
500 isn’t a losing record either by definition. Bottom line, the SEC isn’t the juggernaut you’re making it out to be. They’re very comparable conferences with strong teams, average teams, and poor teams. Depending on the draw, any team could end up with a brutal conference schedule or an easy schedule, or something in between.
The rumor persisted for 2-3 weeks and now that it no longer exists he addresses it, and he's a hero for that?
Being 7-5 (or maybe even 8-4) in the SEC means you were terrible in conference play.
More ammunition to get the Iowa State boosters to write checks and keep him.