Fair enough but I dont believe the intent would be to hire a guy 65 for 4-5 years. Time will tell.
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I'm in my 50s...I'm not pretending he's on death's door or anything. Just something we don't see is a 65 year old getting his first shot at a big time program. It's too risky.
He did something far more impressive - what the hell are you talking about??? His first FBS job, he turned a converted FCS unkown (JMU) into a quality FBS team instantly. He then took a perennial FBS b1g doormat and turned them into a CFP Playoff NC Contender IN HIS 1ST YEAR. He has Indiana positioned as a NC contender CFP Playoff team again this year ONLY HIS 2ND YEAR AT INDIANA (Indiana is currently undefeated and ranked #3 after knocking off #2 Oregon in pretty convincing fashion). How do you figure that is not way more impressive than what DeBoer for instance has done at Alabama????
You routinely say the dumbest things - Cignetti does not appear to be a risky choice given what he has accomplished in turning a perennial doormat into a perennial power - risky is a relative term, he is not "risky" relative to the alternatives, in fact, he is relatively proven relative to the alternatives unless you're going to try and hire Day (active coach) or an inactive coach like Saban or Meyer.
And Urban had more off the field crap surface after Joe was dead. PSU, of all schools, is going to be super sensitive and risk averse to any coach with off the field scandals in their history. I don't see any way Urban ever comes to PSU. Also don't forget that Urban has zero CFB coaching experience in the portal/NIL era.
Not surprising. One has to think the JVP lettermen have a bit more clout and aren't fond of Skinny Man football. The Franklin lettermen are more apt to dislike contact and be naturally poor tacklers.
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I was thinking about Ms Peetz when I saw John Mulaney a few weeks ago and he made a Penn state pedofile joke. Maybe 3014.
Won't happen but I'll play. Given Cignetti's extension, Urban will cost a lot more than $10 million per year. He's three years younger than Cig.
Urban Meyer would cost at least 13 million per year. Kirby Smart is getting 13 million. Ryan Day is nearly 12 million and Cignetti just got 11.6 million.
Why does Sandusky's nonsense (that isn't football related) impact hiring someone like Urban?
You don't think Urban knows how to spend money to get guys he wants?
Well has gone and I think your guy is now top of the list.
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It"s going to be Matt Rhule. No, I'm not in the know but I've noticed the narrative changing about Rhule. "....sure he hasn't beaten top teams but he has coached teams at Temple and Baylor that didn't have Penn State resources." "Look where he has brought Nebraska!" . Plus the ongoing "he and his wife are both penn staters"....blah, blah, blah
Well, he's now my top guy but because he is you can be assured, he won't be the guy
According to his QB Riola he knows for sure Rhule is staying put. But it's not like coaches don't lie to people when they are planning on making a move.
Lord please no not Rhule a Franklin 2.0
success with honor was great, college football is no longer student athlete driven. Building a program is no longer the goal IMO. Now, it's build a team, not necessarily from recruits. Look at what cignetti has done. Need a QB, go buy one
That’s because Rhule is obvious and the media HATES doing real work.
Two days ago, Cignetti was THE guy for Penn State because he’s from PA, would crush it with more resources, etc.
Two days from now it will be the next obvious guy when Rhule gets a big raise and extension from Nebraska.
I think the same. And they want to connect back to the previous generation, so what better way to do so then having one of Joe’s own coach the team. It’s not the worst thing in the world, but I’m still not convinced he’s the best candidate for the job.
Exactly. I'm old school too but those days are gone. This is pro college football.
Rhule better have a very thick skin because even though he will connect with the Paterno contingent this fanbase will not treat him any better than it did Franklin, and he has the unenviable job to rebuild this program after all the recruits leave and players exit.
But what exactly does “connecting with the previous generation” mean? Franklin’s last three seasons all had double-digit wins. That only happened three times in the 15 seasons before he took over. What are people hoping to see that Franklin didn’t deliver, but supposedly existed before his tenure—aside from the two national championships in the '80s?
If Franklin resigned to go elsewhere, I'd actually be fine with Rhule.
But he's not $50 million worthy. Kraft better nail this.
At least every couple of years since the 1960's, Penn State would rise up and pull a big upset or beat a team with similar talent in a tight game. This happened even when Penn State's team wasn't that strong. I remember a 2-3 Penn State squad that finished 8-4-1 beating #3 Alabama at home in 1983. Even during the dark years, Penn State beat #8 Nebraska 40-7 at home in 2002.
It is not too much to ask Franklin to beat a top team every couple of years or so. Franklin beat a top-ranked OSU team at home ten years ago, and the USC win last year on the road was a good one even though USC wasn't top-ranked. But he was not getting better at game management and game preparation. His recruiting was regressing. He needs to take his act somewhere else.
I agree with every part of this and that the right decision was made to let him go. Still, I get confused with these comments about connecting with previous generations and restoring traditions.
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It is no secret that there is a divide between the generations at multiple levels. Even Lavar Arrington admitted to it this week. There are people that think that Joe got a raw deal, and there is more than likely a sizable group that believes Franklin got a raw deal. I am certain the players from the last 12 years believe Franklin got a raw deal, and Franklin‘s tenure marks an entire generation of Penn State football with some truly generational talents like Carter, Warren, Barkley, etc. There is a lot of work to be done moving forward by whoever takes on the leadership of the program. First off, a number of the older generation need to be reengaged. Rhule could do that.
Why, though? I heard Lavar’s comment about how the vast majority of the lettermen on the sidelines were those who played for Franklin, not those from earlier eras. Yet, Lavar himself is frequently on the sidelines. What more was JF supposed to do to involve the "older generations"?
Shouldn't the top priority be the current team and its players? There's already so much discussion about which current staff members will be retained and the importance of having lettermen on the staff. It's clear that a shift is needed to get PSU over the hump—so why is there so much emphasis on the past?
Agreed. Way too much bandwidth being spent on the letterman. If you’re not interested in supporting the program, no matter who the coach is, adios
I think Urban was less than pleased with the University's treatment of someone he loved and admired.
Also a big reason why I don’t think they should have much influence in the decision. There’s just too much emotion and personal bias involved, which ends up clouding what’s truly in the best interest of the program. If Rhule ends up being the best option, then I’ll support it.
Here is the deal. You don't fire JF for anyone but the best. Urban Meyer is one of the best of all time. If this was even possible, you do it yesterday and let him recruit the **** out of the world right now. If we got Urban and did it before signing day, we would have days and days of the decommits trying to get back in. Problem is there will no longer be room.
Speaking of that. What kind of ******** is "i'm still committed, but my options are now open" Urban would shut that **** down in a minute.
Speaking of that. What kind of ******** is "i'm still committed, but my options are now open" Urban would shut that **** down in a minute.
Both Joe and Franklin got raw deals- seems to be a PSU specialty.