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LMTLION

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You don't fire James franklin for Matt Campbell.
I think Campbell is a much better coach than Franklin and more effective in player development. The question is, can he recruit as well as Franklin in this region? Do we want the next coach to be a CEO or are we going to put a structure in place with a GM and office staff to handle some of those CEO type duties? If he is expected to be a CEO, then maybe he’s not an effective replacement of Franklin. If we’re looking for a real football coach, then Campbell is a worthy replacement of Franklin who may have a higher ceiling.
 
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Texas Lion

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I get the Campbell love now. Just watched Tengwells Show with the producer of the josh pate show and he sold Campbell pretty hard.
 
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Campbell’s player development and reputation for “doing more with less” is probably unmatched vs others on the hot board - outside of maybe Elko? You’d just hope they would be able to get his recruiting up to speed with everything at his disposal.
 

Georgia Peach

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You don't fire James franklin for Matt Campbell.
Agreed. The alarming fact is such a statement applies to a lot of names being offered up as candidates. I will maintain that Kraft has an enormous and, in some ways, almost impossible job of his own making. He better have a king's ransom to pay.
 

Itraindogs

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I think Campbell is a much better coach than Franklin and more effective in player development. The question is, can he recruit as well as Franklin in this region? Do we want the next coach to be a CEO or are we going to put a structure in place with a GM and office staff to handle some of those CEO type duties? If he is expected to be a CEO, then maybe he’s not an effective replacement of Franklin. If we’re looking for a real football coach, then Campbell is a worthy replacement of Franklin who may have a higher ceiling.
I think Campbell would be a solid choice. So would Chesney, Sumrall, Key (long shot), and Golesh. If PSU went the route of coordinator, Brady is who I would vet almost exclusively because he has a track record as an OC. He has an offensive identity and can develop high level QB play. The key to success is to find someone with a distinct offensive philosophy, allow them to recruit the QB of their choice, who then draws receivers to make it run. My understanding is that Brady, unfortunately, has turned down many HC jobs in the NFL because he will not go to a team that does not have an elite QB in place. What he did with Burrow at LSU, however, was nothing short of miraculous. He would be an incredible draw for a top-flight QB. There are several very good options.
 

Itraindogs

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Campbell’s player development and reputation for “doing more with less” is probably unmatched vs others on the hot board - outside of maybe Elko? You’d just hope they would be able to get his recruiting up to speed with everything at his disposal.
I agree. The thing with Campbell that will surely annoy recruitniks is that he does not recruit using the star rating, Like Cignetti he insists on his own evaluation to fill the roster. He would be an excellent choice,
 
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WaffleShopper

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You don't fire James franklin for Matt Campbell.
They didn’t fire Franklin for Campbell or anyone else. They fired Franklin because his team turned into a flaming pile of dog poo after Oregon and it was obvious after 2 more weeks that he and some of his players had quit and it could not be salvaged.

Finding a coach now is completely separate from the Franklin situation.
 

Itraindogs

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They didn’t fire Franklin for Campbell or anyone else. They fired Franklin because his team turned into a flaming pile of dog poo after Oregon and it was obvious after 2 more weeks that he and some of his players had quit and it could not be salvaged.

Finding a coach now is completely separate from the Franklin situation.
Agreed. It had become transparent that no more tinkering with coordinators would fix the lack of offensive identity that would allow them to draw the right QB talent to PSU. They also had zero ability to develop QBs in the infrastructure that Franklin had built.

There is no question that Franklin was very successful at Penn State but the consistent failure to generate points was a leadership problem. Replacing OCs over and over was not going to fix it, when the guy selecting the OC was the same. The nail on the coffin was the DC hire. Penn State has always been know as an elite defensive program, and though I think Knowles, given time, will produce equal if not better results this was not the year to upend what they had done for a decade.

Kraft is hiring for his job. If he is smart he needs to find a young, dynamic coach with a distinct offensive philosophy and allow him to fill his roster to work that system.
 
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NewEra 2026

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You don't fire James franklin for Matt Campbell.
You fire a James Franklin who had checked out after he had requested yet another raise, went over the head of his AD, was finally told "no", and reacted poorly to it. Penn State wasn't firing the James Franklin from 2014 - 2024. They fired the James Franklin of 2025 and beyond. I believe that Franklin has peaked as a recruiter and a coach. We will see if he can prove me wrong.

Past performance is not a guarantee of future success. That goes for whoever Penn State hires to replace Franklin as well.
 

Texas Lion

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They didn’t fire Franklin for Campbell or anyone else. They fired Franklin because his team turned into a flaming pile of dog poo after Oregon and it was obvious after 2 more weeks that he and some of his players had quit and it could not be salvaged.

Finding a coach now is completely separate from the Franklin situation.
At First I agreed with your thought process. Then I got to thinking.....this move wasn't made because of what happend. It happened before and each time Franklin pulled the team back the next year and we didn't suck again. He proved he could do that. This move was made because Kraft thought he could do better at that leadership position for the University. So I stick to my "you don't fire JF' for Matt Campbell.
 
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WaffleShopper

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At First I agreed with your thought process. Then I got to thinking.....this move wasn't made because of what happend. It happened before and each time Franklin pulled the team back the next year and we didn't suck again. He proved he could do that. This move was made because Kraft thought he could do better at that leadership position for the University. So I stick to my "you don't fire JF' for Matt Campbell.
In the past Franklin was able to right the ship after losses. But after we looked so bad in the 2 games after Oregon it was clear that it wasn’t going to happen this time. I’m sure there were private conversations that took place between Kraft and Franklin and that relationship was probably unable to be repaired as well.

If Kraft had already made up his mind about getting rid of Franklin then waiting until the end of the year made so much more sense. But after UCLA and NW I just think the decision came down to firing him immediately or risking a complete collapse of the program and losing everybody. Coaches and players were checking out and it was spiraling downward. I don’t think a replacement coach factored into the decision much, if at all.
 

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You fire a James Franklin who had checked out after he had requested yet another raise, went over the head of his AD, was finally told "no", and reacted poorly to it. Penn State wasn't firing the James Franklin from 2014 - 2024. They fired the James Franklin of 2025 and beyond. I believe that Franklin has peaked as a recruiter and a coach. We will see if he can prove me wrong.

Past performance is not a guarantee of future success. That goes for whoever Penn State hires to replace Franklin as well.
How did CJF go over Kraft's head?
 

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Agreed. It had become transparent that no more tinkering with coordinators would fix the lack of offensive identity that would allow them to draw the right QB talent to PSU. They also had zero ability to develop QBs in the infrastructure that Franklin had built.

There is no question that Franklin was very successful at Penn State but the consistent failure to generate points was a leadership problem. Replacing OCs over and over was not going to fix it, when the guy selecting the OC was the same. The nail on the coffin was the DC hire. Penn State has always been know as an elite defensive program, and though I think Knowles, given time, will produce equal if not better results this was not the year to upend what they had done for a decade.

Kraft is hiring for his job. If he is smart he needs to find a young, dynamic coach with a distinct offensive philosophy and allow him to fill his roster to work that system.
It's the same with Tomlin for the past 10 years. Franklin and Tomlin are cut from the same cloth though somehow Tomlin gets the praise while the Steelers are constantly a mess defensively, confusing on offense, bring in head-cases, never beat the great teams and usually will lose to a team or two that they have no business losing to. Yet, Tomlin brings in OCs and promotes DCs and nothing changes.

Perhaps it started with Moorehead but it seems like Franklin found some success there and tried to chase that with every coordinator search versus re-engaging on either side.
 
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cjrugger

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I agree. The thing with Campbell that will surely annoy recruitniks is that he does not recruit using the star rating, Like Cignetti he insists on his own evaluation to fill the roster. He would be an excellent choice,
He takes 3 stars because that is all he can get. There's not a big line of stud recruits trying to go go Iowa State that he's turning down

*That does not mean he wouldn't be good at PSU*
 

LMTLION

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Who are the realistic candidates on the current Coaching Big Board?

it looks that is where we are at. Even if Rhule signs extension does not mean he will not be choice
Rhule is off the board. New deal has $15M buyout this year.
 
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LMTLION

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The board cannot include any current p4 head coach likely to make the playoffs. PSU cannot afford to wait and essentially cancel the 2026 season and possibly 2027 as well.