Yes, "Salt and Pepper" wrt to Penn State referred to Matt Millen and Bruce Clark, respectively.
Todd Blackledge and Curt warner were part of a pre-1983 Sugar Bowl show during which "Ebony and Ivory" was played throughout a highlight segment.
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Todd Blackledge and Curt warner were part of a pre-1983 Sugar Bowl show during which "Ebony and Ivory" was played throughout a highlight segment.
Back in the "olden days" (pre-Internet), Bama fans threw bricks thru their coach's window.
In all seriousness, I hope Bama runs off DeBoer right into Penn State's arms and DeBoer goes on a mission to show what he can do without the pressure cooker mentality in the SEC.
Don't know that Bama is "out," but their problem is other SEC teams. TAMU, Georgia (assuming they win tonight and don't crap the bed against GT), TT, and Ole Miss are right there, and now Oklahoma should be ranked ahead of Bama since OK beat them. I can't see the SEC getting more than 4 teams in.
The only hope for the SEC is that the B1G only gets 3 teams in, opening another slot which could be filled by a SEC team. But again, Oklahoma is there - although they finish up against Mizzou and then LSU. Both of those games are certainly winnable, and could be the impetus to put OK in the playoff.
DeBoer would be a home run hire.
Absolutely! Probably the best of several excellent options still available. I just want someone who can develop a frickin QB!!
Well. I agree with you , but be careful what you wish for because Lincoln Riley can do that, but his teams can’t seem to ever play good defense.
You guys going to fall into the Deboer trap too? For what it’s worth, it’s the same bait used in the Elko trap.
DeBoer is the best coach in CFB today. There is absolutely no “trap” associated with him. BGJ can’t hold DeBoer’s jockstrap.
Oh, I don’t believe he’s a legit candidate. I do believe there is a contingent of Bama fans who would be happy to let him go, but I’d put the chances of him leaving Tuscaloosa at about .05%. I’m just suggesting he’s exactly the type of coach I’d like to attract.
I moved on after UCLA end of 1st half shitshow by the staff
USC may make the playoff if they can beat Oregon @ Oregon next week. They probably don't but have had a good season nonetheless with their defense playing better.
While I think this fantasy is more of a homerun than Elko, Kiffin, Freeman, and Cignetti, it’s definitely another trap for hopeful PSU fans. I think he would do fabulous here. I also think he is likely unattainable and it’s still Drink. Who knows, maybe something will go our way like it did during the game today.
I like Chesney from James Madison.
I bet you'd get an argument from some Alabama fans
Good. Kick him out if Tuscaloosa and see how fast he lands somewhere else, hopefully, in State College, but UF and LSU would have something to say about it as well.
DeBoer isn’t a great fit in the South, or at Bama in particular. But the guy can flat-out coach. Bama doesn’t know how good they have it. If DeBoer had stayed at Washington, that program would have been a nightmare to deal with year after year.
I'm not going to knock him. Know that he's won everywhere he's been. Big step that not many can make. For every Curt Cignetti there are many Billy Napier's.
It’s impossible to evaluate these coaches until they’ve had access to our resources. And don’t underestimate the power of a coach, Kraft, and Neeli being maligned aligned.
Ehh, it only is if people think he’s leaving after a playoff run. If he doesn’t make the playoffs, decent chance Alabama makes him available for us.
Yup.
They’ve had a good year which becomes a playoff year likely with a win at Oregon.
In the highly unlikely event that DeBoer should become available he's going to get offers from programs everywhere. Several are better jobs than ours.
But not if he’s not thrilled being in the SEC, which is by some accounts something he’s not thrilled having to coach in at Alabama. He wouldn’t trade that for another SEC job.
I love Terry Smith. He’s Penn State through and through. There is no world where Kraft can fire Franklin mid-season and give his assistant HC the job. None.
If he went 1-1 vs Indy and OSU I would have voted for Terry for hc. He is a good man and embodies many of Joe’s virtues. I just do not think he is ready for this yet. After Iowa if he would have directly taken over OC playcalling I would have said he is ready. Those are the tough decisions a hc needs to make. That decision would have beaten Indy. I do hope he is on the next staff. He needs to be as he is the glue that goes across different generations.
That may be more the Bama fan base than it is the conference. Following the GOAT is a tough gig.
Are you ok---this was an incredible but serious (only) comment?It’s impossible to evaluate these coaches until they’ve had access to our resources. And don’t underestimate the power of a coach, Kraft, and Neeli beingmalignedaligned.
I'm used to the incredible part, but the serious only nature has me a bit concerned.
I think what many are missing, is the new reality of D1A Professional College Football - PSU completely destabilized the program when they fired Franklin. They are going to lose virtually all of their NIL-worthy players regardless of who they hire. It is not likely enough to just hire a "good coach" - DeBoer at Bama is an excellent example. Bama went 9-4 last year and is facing another year where they are "okay", but certainly not elite and likely not a playoff team (ND was the highest ranked 2-loss team in the last CFP Rankings - they were #9. ND will likely move to #8, but OU is probably moving to #9 or #10. At least 1 ACC team is making it and G5 Team.).
The reality is that PSU has put themselves in a position where they almost have to hire a both "a good coach" and a coach who can bring a core group of players (i.e., a coach of an existing team) if they want any shot at relevancy over the next several years. If PSU can't do this, they're going to be in serious danger of long-term irrelevancy a la UNL. NIL recruiting is way, way, way more important element of current D1A CFB, than HS recruiting, especially when you've completely de-stabilized and blown-up your rooster as PSU has - Cignetti has proven this quite dramatically (and DeBoer has proven that just bringing in a great coach - with no players - into a destabilized rooster, results in a severe dropoff of producut - 4 losses last year no playoff.... blowout loss this year to a bad FSU team and now a loss to an Oklahoma team was not a great team and had been blownout by a not great Texas team.).
Nope, it's pretty clear that given the position PSU has put themselves in, they are not only going to have to "buy" a great coach, but "buy" his team as well. If a coach can't bring a large group of players with him, their value is greatly diminished as nobody is going to pay a coach $12 million a year for a re-building project that could take 3 or 4 years and potentially never at all given the realities of the modern "pay-to-play" era. (IOW, all these people talking about available resources and where PSU stacks up, are utterly full of dung - PSU has plenty of resources as they proved on what they spent on Knowles.... but it really comes down to who is willing to spend what on who now as Cignetti and Indiana have proven. Indiana was a crap football program historically - that mattered ZERO in today's "pay-to-play" Professionalization of CFB environment. ZERO! Bama proves the opposite, you can become an "also-ran" very quickly in today's environment. Anybody can become competitive if they are willing, and able, to spend the money, but just spending the money guarantees nothing - it comes down to the quality, and "value", of what you spent.).
The reality is that PSU has put themselves in a position where they almost have to hire a both "a good coach" and a coach who can bring a core group of players (i.e., a coach of an existing team) if they want any shot at relevancy over the next several years. If PSU can't do this, they're going to be in serious danger of long-term irrelevancy a la UNL. NIL recruiting is way, way, way more important element of current D1A CFB, than HS recruiting, especially when you've completely de-stabilized and blown-up your rooster as PSU has - Cignetti has proven this quite dramatically (and DeBoer has proven that just bringing in a great coach - with no players - into a destabilized rooster, results in a severe dropoff of producut - 4 losses last year no playoff.... blowout loss this year to a bad FSU team and now a loss to an Oklahoma team was not a great team and had been blownout by a not great Texas team.).
Nope, it's pretty clear that given the position PSU has put themselves in, they are not only going to have to "buy" a great coach, but "buy" his team as well. If a coach can't bring a large group of players with him, their value is greatly diminished as nobody is going to pay a coach $12 million a year for a re-building project that could take 3 or 4 years and potentially never at all given the realities of the modern "pay-to-play" era. (IOW, all these people talking about available resources and where PSU stacks up, are utterly full of dung - PSU has plenty of resources as they proved on what they spent on Knowles.... but it really comes down to who is willing to spend what on who now as Cignetti and Indiana have proven. Indiana was a crap football program historically - that mattered ZERO in today's "pay-to-play" Professionalization of CFB environment. ZERO! Bama proves the opposite, you can become an "also-ran" very quickly in today's environment. Anybody can become competitive if they are willing, and able, to spend the money, but just spending the money guarantees nothing - it comes down to the quality, and "value", of what you spent.).
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A little context on OU and Ut. OU is a totally different team with a healthy Mateer - and he was not able to be a running threat against Texas
In a perfect world Kiffin back channels his interest in the Bama HC job.
Bama & DeBoer mutually part ways.
PSU lands DeBoer
Plan B would be Key
Plan C Chesney
Beyond that I wouldn't force a hire. I would be fine with giving Terry Smith a short term deal with an out clause to move into a different role within program
I would like to think so and they are making no moves to retain him at this time but he does already have a great contract. If Bama could land Lane Kiffin DeBoer would already be gone.
My concern on DeBoer is that he's a NW only guy. Fortunately for him where he is Alabama is its own best recruiter. While I like DeBoer and I like the chances of landing him I'm not sure he would be a great fit in the NE much like he's not a great fit in the Deep South and the cause for his unhappiness.
DeBoer has real interest in the PS job. How that plays out is anyone's guess.
Still saying a hire gets agreed upon around Thanksgiving but might not be made public right away.
lol. And sadly, if he did leave Bama to come here, I seriously doubt he is going to be able to bring a bunch of Bama players with him.
They would be like, F that noise, I’m staying here and playing for Kiffin.
Oh please, OU was 6-7 last year and the Texas game was not even close. Give me a break, OU is not an elite team, not even remotely close Mateer, or no Mateer.
OU one of the biggest pretenders year in and year out. Cheating always mattered to OU. Now that cheating is legal for all OU is what they should have always been.