Head coaches don't call plays anymore. The ones that did either gave it up or were fired.
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The more I read about Drinkwitz the more I would be comfortable with him. Wouldn’t be my top choice but guy is a quality coach who also was an assistant at the Power 4 level as well as Boise State whose track record over the years speaks for itself.
I don't get all of the recent recent hate for Eli. I would definitely be on board with that hire, bright young coach from the SEC. We could do a lot worse.
My concern with him is he seems like an SEC guy. If he succeeded at PSU is he a long term hire?
DeBoer was not "the answer" at Bama (he's lost 6 times in 23 games at Bama to-date), so what makes you believe he'd be the answer at PSU where the roster has been significantly more destabilized than at Bama (Saban merely retired and played a hand in keeping the program stable and being a part of selecting DeBoer as his successor).
The big problem with DeBoer is that he probably wouldn't bring a core group of players you can build around with him.
PSU has to make a hire where the Coach can bring a core group of players with him (i.e., a successful team where the players attribute their success to the coach - DeBoer does not fit the bill in this regard).
DeBoer is a quality coach who has won everywhere he has been. Following a legend is difficult. He did a fantastic job at Washington and did well at prior stops. He would be a big time hire.
My big concern with him would be how many players he could bring with him. I think he fits the bill as a coach (as does DeBoer), but if he can't bring a large core group of NIL players (i.e., the "2-Deep" portion of roster) than he's not a good fit.
I don't know that he isn't. His team was in position to get a bye in the CFP, they outplayed Oklahoma it sucks they missed a short FG and lost by 2.
I don't think DeBoer would have trouble getting portal players. PSU is going to benefit from an easy 2026 schedule. Deboer can identify QB talent which will be key to getting 2027 recruiting back on track
The other thing that has not been discussed, and people are not considering, is the fact that a lot of PSU's roster may follow Franklin when he lands (and he is supposedly in serious negotiations with VaTech as we speak). PSU, and Kraft, created this situation via the way they handled this. Many of these players (and coaches) are far closer, and committed, to Franklin than the babbling know-it-alls understand. In terms of the NIL roster (i.e., 2-Deep portion of roster), PSU is looking at a situation where their entire 2-Deep has to be rebuilt from scratch next year (in fact, I would say one of Franklin's greatest attractions at VoTech is the fact that he will bring a ton of quality players with him).
PSU is in a situation where they have to hire a head coach who can bring a large core-group (as in well into double digits) of 2-Deep NIL players with him.
PSU is in a situation where they have to hire a head coach who can bring a large core-group (as in well into double digits) of 2-Deep NIL players with him.
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LMAO, OU was 6-7 last year - they got blown out by a mediocre Texas team. DeBoer is 17-6 in his first 23 games.... no Playoff appearances. This is the type of performance that the know-it-alls wanted Franklin fired for WITH A FAR BETTER ROSTER, but now he's somehow "the answer" at PSU??? [insert eyeroll].
He made the finals at Washington beating the #3 and #5 team in the process.
I'm not sure what you are talking about. His Washington team played in the NC game so no playoff appearances isn't accurate.
Good Lord you're obtuse! We're talking about his performance in a somewhat analogous situation - how he has done with a new roster, not the roster he recruited and built over time. He took over arguably the best roster in the nation and has proceeded to lose 6 of his first 23 games and has not even remotely sniffed an SEC Championship in his two years (a clear "also ran" in both of his first two seasons at Alabama despite inheriting arguably the best roster in the nation!). Now you're trying to claim he's going to do Infinitely better at PSU despite the fact that he will inherit a roster that has been completely nuked - given his 17-6 record in his first 23 @Bama with an incredible D1A roster, he'd be lucky to break .500 at PSU his first year as he wouldn't be coming with any players if he left Alabama in abject failure.
You are exactly right. Players from Florida, LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State (and some others) know that the brand is bigger than the coach, so will stay the course knowing that the replacement will be worthy of he brand,
I'd agree with that assuming there is confidence that he could bring a large portion of his 2-Deep with remaining eligibility with him. PSU needs to consider all successful D1A coaches that have high "player attachment" to the coach (i.e., players that were recruited by the coach and attach much of their success as a team to the coach). PSU absolutely needs to bring in a current coach who is going to bring a large core-group of NIL players with him because PSU's current 2-deep is absolutely in the wind and the likelihood any significant number will be in a PSU uniform is a mathematical limit approaching 0%.
He doesn’t need to be a long-term hire. We just need him until we’re sick of him and are ready to run him out of town.
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You guys are judging Terry on a completely different set of criteria than you use to judge anyone else. Terry has made mistakes in every game that you'd crucify Franklin for, but just because the team plays hard and you have bias for Terry you now want him as head coach? The only way Terry was getting the job was if he won out. I like Terry, but he's not going to be the next head coach. I do hope he sticks around in some capacity though.
Lol. He coached 2 years at Washington 11-2 his first season then 14-1 losing in the NC game. How did he build that roster over time?
He under achieved in his first year, I don't think there is any denying that but from top to bottom the SEC is a much deeper conference.
Personally I think DeBoer is a much better coach than Franklin
I read yesterday that Drinkwitz doesn't have any wins over SEC teams with a winning conference record in his 5 years at Mizzou. 0-15. Woof.
The roster being attached to BGJ, rather than being attached to Penn Stste, is a big part of the problem. The coach was so attached that he didn’t hold his players accountable, and the players didn’t hold the coach accountable. Everybody thought that love was of the highest importance, rather than actually wanting to win, no matter whose feelings got hurt.
I guarantee you that OSU isn’t run that way.
I guarantee you that OSU isn’t run that way.
Elko is off the board, he's signing an extension with A&M.
While it'd be nice to hire a coach that brings a bunch of transfers along, it's not the most important thing. PSU has to hire the coach they think is the right guy long term. If that means you have to sacrifice a season or two in roster quality, so be it. Not ideal, but getting the right coach long term is more important.
Bama totally dominated OU yesterday; they lost because of turnovers, which admittedly is part of the game. OU’s defense is legitimate, but their offense even with Mateer isn’t that great.
FYI, I’m happy that OU won because they’ve always been like a second team to me because I liked Billy Sims ((I have both crimson and white Sooners #20 jerseys) and was a fan of their wishbone offense when I was a playing youth and high school football.
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Yeah, but the right coach most likely is going to be someone who can bring several players and recruits with him. This is what happens at a lot of schools that make coaching changes. If we’re not at least competitive in the next two seasons, meaning at least seven to eight wins, then it may be hard to reverse it.
You sure know a lot about what all these coaches are thinking. Almost as much as Lando. Must be nice.
Then maybe he could grab some Ole Miss players…Kiffin won’t be able to keep everybody on both rosters.
Game four?He doesn’t need to be a long-term. We just need him until we’re sick of him and are ready to run him out of town.
I guarantee you that most of the players at OSU love Day and he loves them as well.
Only if he delivers a Natty. I mean if next coach doesn’t deliver a Natty then it is a failure hire. Natty or bust because we deserve better.
This simply is not true in today's environment - if PSU simply hires an expensive coach, who brings nothing with him, it may be a lot more than a couple sacrificed seasons. In today's environment of Professionalized CFB with absolute, and unlimited, Free Agency, there is no guarantee that any coach is fielding a quality roster after 3 or 4 years of abject irrelevancy (or worse, especially considering the roster a new coach would have to play with next year if they bring no players with them). NIL players, and HS recruits, have zero interest in a "work in progress" when they can go play for a team that is a high-probability CFP team - take a look at how Florida State has made out with their coaching carousel....
CJF produced results that would have made the current Playoff structure a high-percentage of the time - he was fired. Now you're saying PSU should bring on a new coach, pay them $12 million a year with zero expectations for 2 or 3 years.... - so, if this new $12 million man has made zero progress in 2 years record-wise, PSU should give him several more years to see what happens..... and when the results still have not improved in the 3rd year (i.e., 4 years since PSU has been relevant in b1g and made the National Playoff), you do what precisely???
Your prescriptions do not fit the modern realities of the professionalization of CFB. If PSU was to do what you're propising, they should just name Terry Smith the new official Head Coach so he can work to lock-down the existing roster with remaining eligibility as well as the next, and 2027, Recruiting Classes (including NIL Transfers for next year)..... but this is not what PSU is doing. At this point, PSU has to go with a successful existing D1A coach who is willing to represent that they can bring players with them and have immediate success in turning the ship (i.e., even if they don't make playoff in first year, they will be relevant and have a significantly +.500 record).
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Exactly, just posted the same basic thought above in response to someone. The professionalization of CFB has completely changed the environment - the notion that PSU can spend $12 million a year with zero expectations over the next 2 to 3 years is just beyond absurd. PSU goes 3 or 4 years out from their last playoff appearance and is still producing .500 records or worse..., their ability to attract players (either via NIL or HS recruiting) will be diminished to zero and all they will have done is taken a highly successful D1A Coach and turned them into a highly unsuccessful D1A Coach whose career will have been destroyed.
No, but PSU probably deserves better than going 1-10 against OSU, which would’ve been 1-11 had Franklin coached in that game this season, and 0-2 against Oregon, and whatever his losing record was to Michigan, to which he had lost the last three and was blown out in all games in Ann Arbor except for the 2020 game when Michigan was worse than PSU.
Really? So what's the rationale for firing Franklin then??? Franklin would have made the current Playoff structure a high percentage of the time - he was fired. So PSU should hire a new coach with expectations far below the expectations they had for the coach they just fired?
Did you ever think that maybe Franklin was fired for several other reasons other than not being able to win a NC?
I didn't advocate for firing Franklin.
No, I don't know what the future might have looked like had he been given another couple of years, but I don't see how it looks better now.
The "home run hire" the fanboyz were clamoring about isn't happening, so other than a long uncertain rebuild you tell me what's coming. Maybe just rinse and repeat?
What laughable nonsense and drivel. Let me get this straight, Franklin would have made it to the current Playoff structure an extremely high percentage of the time and took us to the National Semifinals last year, but if the new $12 million man makes it to zero Playoffs in his first three years, we should just keep right on wishing-&-hoping and paying him $12 mil a year??? LMAO at some of you moron know-it-alls who think it's so easy to have double-digit win seasons.... Just laughs tools who defend the mediocre results DeBoer has generated with the best roster in the nation. Winning is a lot harder than all you genius know-it-all Fantasy Football coach/gm's understand