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I never said we are firing a coach every 3-4 years. You are twisting my words to fit your doomsday narrative. I believe you want PSU to fail which is reprehensible.
What I did say is we could get it wrong with the next hire and even the next one after that but still be fine. So to be technical if that happens then we can still get it right on the third hire and by year 9 or 10 win a NC. Of course based off your comment you are hoping we always get it wrong (that is your inherent assumption in your comment) so you can be a bitter old man constantly complaining and telling anyone who would listen (which would be no one) I told you we should have never fired BGJ.
He kind of has to deny it but that doesn't mean Krafty isn't already working a deal with him and his agent.
I think the showboating etc are "culture" issues that Terry Smith could address in the off season, no doubt he's aware. Lets see how he finishes up this year. He is a Penn State guy, and I think that's what has been missing, its long since past time we put Penn State people in positions of authority! He could settle the recruiting issues and put us back on a level plane. The answer is hiding in plain sight.
Chesney is having quite the season. ...... JMU has beaten its seven conference foes by an average of 24 points. Of JMU's nine wins, only Georgia State came by fewer than 10 points. In the past month, the Dukes have won all their four games by a combined score of 208-80. No, they haven't played great competition, but they're dominating the teams they do face. Quality of wins is a metric teams control. Strength of schedule is not.
Also, from the FWIW dept Chesney recently interviewed for the second time and Dabol has interviewed. So, maybe this won't end up being just about power 4 coaches after all.
Where Drink is concerned, I personally would take Chesney over Drink purely for the cultural fit and taking the risk and a shot at one of the best young up and coming coaches out there.
Smith is in my new personal top three based on availability and would be a solid non risk hire imo. They could initially give him a short-term contract and see how it plays out while Kraft continues a passive search should he need to make that change early.
Short term contract is a nice way of saying lame duck. Should be a recruiting boon!
People think a coaching change is all it takes until you're in that repeat cycle for decades. Maybe PSU is the exception and they get it right with the first guy, but those that thought things were so awful may realize being fanatical is sometimes also being irrational. Fans in general are stupid and persuaded by media hit pieces.....they also suffer from Dunning Kruger where they actually trick themselves into become football geniuses after a game is played or a play is called. We're all guilty of it, but some people have self awareness and some don't just like in any part of life.
Was it time, sure, but you have to be some sort of special idiot right now to think it will be easy to keep winning 10 a year consistently or PSU wins a MNC in the next 3-4 years.
While from a recency position that is mostly true but with the right true GM and smart HC it could/can be conveyed that business minded recruits are committing to a university and a payday not a coach as coaching at any level is a volatile occupation, here today gone tomorrow so to speak. In this day and age in college football money controls the conversation.
Nonsense. The fact that he only beat OSU once and Michigan 3 times doesn’t mean he was “scared” of them or crying about having to play them. By the way, since you are so smart, outside of Michigan who else has beaten OSU during Franklin’s tenure at Penn State? But oh my bad, Krafty’s new hire will start kicking OSU and Michigan on a regular basis real soon. Penn State has no rival game like all the other Big Ten teams because it hadn’t been a conference member for a hundred years or more.
Well fans who don’t have Franklin Derangement Syndrome aren’t on board with forfeiting the 2026 season. Multiple Big Ten and National Championships are coming soon. Did you miss the press release and press conference?
So explain to me how getting the next two coaching hires wrong makes everything fine.
I don't see PSU winning a Natty anytime soon even if CJF had stayed. It was time for CJF to depart after the abysmal team play from the start of the season to the NW game. The timing of the firing is debatetable. If PSU can't bring in a Deboer, then I want to give Chesney a shot. I think he could get PSU back in the playoffs in year three. There will be a recovery period from what has transpired this year. I also would like Terry Smith to be retained in some capacity working closely with the football team.
Not interested in Hartline. Daboll, or Brady.
Have no desire for Daboll to be HC. See him bolting for NFL in short order as some NFL team will give him a chance at a position he sees as better than a college HC.
I think Daboll would be a big mistake. Basically is a league guy that drank a cup of coffee at Alabama. Still think Glenn Schumann could be the next great coach somewhere. Would much rather have Chesney or Hartline than Daboll.
No matter the HC is we as a community have to back him. It what 99 percent will do. Just hope for the best. Maybe we get lucky but I think we’ll be in neutral for a year or two at least.
Not to be a smart azz but if I wanted, people to know I would have told you. I do not watch podcasts and the like except for Tengwall and the Obligatory PC those are the ONLY two I watch. I never carry anything from them to here. I have my own personal sources and have had for years. I don't cow down to any poster on such questions. Want your info to dry up immediately just comply with a request like yours. This is all I will ever say on this subject again.
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Agreed on all counts, except my enthusiasm on Hartline has cooled. The only analogy I can think of that applies is Georgia hiring Smart away from Bama/Saban, except that Ryan Day (good as he is) isn't Saban, and Hartline may be smart, but he doesn't yet have the experience Smart has (or had). I agree, Schumann's a better choice if you want to go that route. The more I read about Chesney, I'm intrigued...will he be the next Cignetti?
Initially, I was intrigued by Drink, but I'm cooling on him as he sounds an awful lot like Franklin as of late. Telling fans it's "wishful thinking" they can keep their best players considering their somewhat limited NIL offering. Talking about how success isn't only reserved for the programs that make the Playoffs. Its all well and good and I don't disparage Franklin for some truly reasonable observations about having to upgrade a lot of things at the school to have a success against the big boys, I kind of just don't want my coach being the one to say it. AD, President, a GM.....all fair. Franklin was more competitive against OSU in '16 and '17 then he was in '23 and '24 and they sure as **** werent spending less. Coaches coach and charity drivers drive charity. I know, the whole spot has inverted to the point where it seems like the primary job of the HC is to fundraise....but it was a slippery slope for Franklin....he finally got everything he wanted so he didn't have fundraising or "alignment" to excuse anymore. If we hire a Drink and his press conferences are filled with the fact that the administration and fans arent giving enough, I'll lose my mind.
Agree on on counts (except Hartline). I think Chesney, given what he has achieved at every stop he has made, is poised to make the jump and succeed at the next level. It may take a year or so to get familiar with the levers of running a P4 program but I suspect he will be fine. He has won everywhere he has been.
Maybe...but most people do not pursue jobs by crowing about looking around. Any "new job" talk is done on the down low. There's no way that anyone, even (especially) college football coaches would announce that they're looking into other jobs while their teams are on the cusp of the playoffs or even bowl games. Key (GT) said something similar recently. And guys like Elko and even Rhule signing extensions doesn't mean that much unless what their school would have to be paid are incredibly prohibitive. At this point, I would not rule out anyone as a potential candidate.
The more I read about Chesney, the more I like him. Seems like a risk worth taking.
Yeah, that would be the concern with Drinkwitz. Would probably be a good coach, but the whole time would be keeping an eye on when he could go back to the SEC. Looks like it's down to Chesney or just letting Smith keep it. Daboll would probably be about like Fitzgerald or Al Golden. Looking tough, no way of relating to the players now and racking up losses.
If you actually have “sources” you really shouldn’t be posting anything at all about what you are hearing, even vague stuff. Just saying.
That's laughable - you believe that PSU is still going to be perceived as a National Contender by elite hs recruits and elite NIL X-Fer Portal players 7 or 8 years removed from our last Playoff appearance when there are many programs with no football tradition already filling the vaccum such as Indiana??? That's a pipedream if you as me. If PSU loses relevancy for 7 or 8 years, the chances that they will continue to be irrelevant from there are Infinitely greater than PSU even making the Playoffs, let alone winning a NC. LMAO at how absurd some of you people are and how easy you think it is to "win" - as in winning enough to make the Playoffs (i.e., finishing Top 12 in the Final CFP Rankings) as we did last year and 7 of the 9 previous seasons to this year.
Just laughable how easy some of you chumps think it is to finish Top 12 in the Final CFP Rankings and quality for the Playoffs - you have to actually win enough to qualify for the Playoffs before you even have any shot whatsoever at a NC!
In addition, Chesney is going to likely bring a lot more players with him a la Cignetti.
There will need to be support with patience for the new coach from the fanbase. I may not like the choice but I'll pull for his success.