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So are the people who told everybody to decommitt still part of the current PSU staff? Im kinda confused on the timing of this one.
Sounds like they knew they were leaving but while still working for Penn state they were telling kids to decommit. They meaning the GM, recruiting coordinator, and at least one coach. Reminds me of some stories I heard about Franklin leaving Vandy. Not sure where the line is between a guy just doing his job and a guy being a pos but for sure Franklin is a spiteful man so nothing would surprise me.
 

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Sounds like they knew they were leaving but while still working for Penn state they were telling kids to decommit. They meaning the GM, recruiting coordinator, and at least one coach. Reminds me of some stories I heard about Franklin leaving Vandy. Not sure where the line is between a guy just doing his job and a guy being a pos but for sure Franklin is a spiteful man so nothing would surprise me.
That’s it.
 
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I worry about Kiffin to Alabama, DeBoer to either USC or Washington.
Kiffin to Bama would start an interesting chain of events that's for sure. Someone then might grab Fisch, Deboer back to UW and all the while you still have at least 3 big openings to account for between PSU, Auburn, LSU, Florida.
 

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Not sure how he would know anything.
He gets pretty good inside info and has relationships with many coaches and admins. He's pretty professional and I've never seen him leak something early, so they probably trust him. Putting out a teaser tweet is kind of a d!ck move though, I don't expect him to share any actual info until whatever he knows is public. It's just a "I know something you don't know" tweet that will drive engagement and annoy his followers.
 

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So are the people who told everybody to decommitt still part of the current PSU staff? Im kinda confused on the timing of this one.
That would be the most important piece of information. But if Franklin did that after being fired, or staffers did it after saying they are leaving, there isn't much you can do about it. It's part of modern day CFB.
 
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Sounds like they knew they were leaving but while still working for Penn state they were telling kids to decommit. They meaning the GM, recruiting coordinator, and at least one coach. Reminds me of some stories I heard about Franklin leaving Vandy. Not sure where the line is between a guy just doing his job and a guy being a pos but for sure Franklin is a spiteful man so nothing would surprise me.
Wow. I wasnt reading it wrong. It sounds like they were forced to decommitt in some cases.

I really hope if any of those people are still here Terry shows them the door and uses their head as a battering ram to open it.

I didnt think I could like Franklin any less, but I am managing to find new levels of hatred for him. I guess I have one game a year i will root hard for Pitt to win.
 

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Wow. I wasnt reading it wrong. It sounds like they were forced to decommitt in some cases.

I really hope if any of those people are still here Terry shows them the door and uses their head as a battering ram to open it.

I didnt think I could like Franklin any less, but I am managing to find new levels of hatred for him. I guess I have one game a year i will root hard for Pitt to win.
I’ve most always been a JF supporter and still believe we are going to have a difficult time replicating his success, but I’m beginning to feel better about the way he was let go. As others have pointed out, with as many big jobs that are/will be open, there’s a reason he took the VT job as soon as he did. He wasn’t going to do any better.
 

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I would imagine, as Omar says, it’s all in the game. Don’t know how much would then be breaking rules or what rules.

But I’m certain these guys weren’t exactly fighting to make their employer happy when they knew they’d be leaving in a few weeks.
They were being paid by PSU when they probably used PSU awarded equipment (phones,computers) to harm their employer.

I’d file cases against all of them including James. They then have hire an attorney to respond ($$$)

You just need to get to discovery.
 
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That would be the most important piece of information. But if Franklin did that after being fired, or staffers did it after saying they are leaving, there isn't much you can do about it. It's part of modern day CFB.
Even if they did it as a Penn State employee and before saying they were leaving, there’s still probably nothing the school can do about it. It’s unethical and a definite conflict of interest but at most their contracts would allow the school to fire them. Kind of difficult when they’re already gone.
 

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Wow. I wasnt reading it wrong. It sounds like they were forced to decommitt in some cases.

I really hope if any of those people are still here Terry shows them the door and uses their head as a battering ram to open it.

I didnt think I could like Franklin any less, but I am managing to find new levels of hatred for him. I guess I have one game a year i will root hard for Pitt to win.
Truthfully I can’t for the life of me figure out why any kid playing WR or QB would want to play for him. This place has been a graveyard for WR’s for several years and he clearly doesn’t improve QB’s. He goes through OC and WR coaches left and right. That and he totally sucks in big games and the debacle this year.
 

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Even if they did it as a Penn State employee and before saying they were leaving, there’s still probably nothing the school can do about it. It’s unethical and a definite conflict of interest but at most their contracts would allow the school to fire them. Kind of difficult when they’re already gone.
Yeah I was thinking the same... they will just say "what are you gonna do about it, fire me?" Maybe they can put something in employment contracts that adds punitive financial penalties for stuff like this but I'd think it'd be hard to add if it's not widely done by everyone and would be difficult to prove and enforce anyway, so probably not even worth the hassle. But in this portal and NIL era it's going to keep happening.
 
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Yeah I was thinking the same... they will just say "what are you gonna do about it, fire me?" Maybe they can put something in employment contracts that adds punitive financial penalties for stuff like this but I'd think it'd be hard to add if it's not widely done by everyone and would be difficult to prove and enforce anyway, so probably not even worth the hassle. But in this portal and NIL era it's going to keep happening.
I know there is an extremely slim chance at this but it would be fitting and funny if the VT AD saw that and fired Franklin for being a giant scumbag.
 
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Truthfully I can’t for the life of me figure out why any kid playing WR or QB would want to play for him. This place has been a graveyard for WR’s for several years and he clearly doesn’t improve QB’s. He goes through OC and WR coaches left and right. That and he totally sucks in big games and the debacle this year.
He literally said on tv Sat he values explosive plays from his WRs and we haven’t seen one in years until he left 🤣
 
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Franklin recruited players to play for him. Not Penn State.
There seems to be some evidence to that yet Terry Smith has been able to turn that around some. I think clarity comes Saturday after Kiffen makes his decision/announcement and there will then be rapid movement with PSU toward the bottom of the pecking order for coaches. I'll take Chesney.

Coach opening pecking order:
1a) LSU
1b) Florida
3) Florida State after they fire their coach
4) Ole Miss if Kiffin leaves
5) Auburn
6) PSU

Wild cards:
- Alabama if Deboer decides to bolt
- Washington if Fisch takes an SEC job
 
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There seems to be some evidence to that yet Terry Smith has been able to turn that around some. I think clarity comes Saturday after Kiffen makes his decision/announcement and there will then be rapid movement with PSU toward the bottom of the pecking order for coaches. I'll take Chesney.

Coach opening pecking order:
1a) LSU
1b) Florida
3) Florida State after they fire their coach
4) Ole Miss if Kiffin leaves
5) Auburn
6) PSU

Wild cards:
- Alabama if Deboer decides to bolt
- Washington if Fisch takes an SEC job
I like to think of myself as a realistic PSU fan, but do you really think Ole Miss and Auburn are more desirable?
 

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Yeah I was thinking the same... they will just say "what are you gonna do about it, fire me?" Maybe they can put something in employment contracts that adds punitive financial penalties for stuff like this but I'd think it'd be hard to add if it's not widely done by everyone and would be difficult to prove and enforce anyway, so probably not even worth the hassle. But in this portal and NIL era it's going to keep happening.
Are there not phone records of those staff members and recruits? At the least request they be made public to show the unethical behavior.
 

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There seems to be some evidence to that yet Terry Smith has been able to turn that around some. I think clarity comes Saturday after Kiffen makes his decision/announcement and there will then be rapid movement with PSU toward the bottom of the pecking order for coaches. I'll take Chesney.

Coach opening pecking order:
1a) LSU
1b) Florida
3) Florida State after they fire their coach
4) Ole Miss if Kiffin leaves
5) Auburn
6) PSU

Wild cards:
- Alabama if Deboer decides to bolt
- Washington if Fisch takes an SEC job
I was more referring to the recruiting class that left. They committed to Franklin, not PSU. The current players are essentially a captive audience.

And im not sure about your ranking order there. Guess it depends on the candidate, and what they consider important. The PSU program has plenty of monetary support, fan support and school support. Id put the program up against any on that list.
 

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There seems to be some evidence to that yet Terry Smith has been able to turn that around some. I think clarity comes Saturday after Kiffen makes his decision/announcement and there will then be rapid movement with PSU toward the bottom of the pecking order for coaches. I'll take Chesney.

Coach opening pecking order:
1a) LSU
1b) Florida
3) Florida State after they fire their coach
4) Ole Miss if Kiffin leaves
5) Auburn
6) PSU

Wild cards:
- Alabama if Deboer decides to bolt
- Washington if Fisch takes an SEC job
Curious why you consider PSU a "bottom of the barrel" school. Especially Auburn, Ole Miss, and FSU. Is Neeli et al that tight with the pursestrings? Kraft that much of a problem? Central PA that crappy a location? Maybe today's coaches don't want a 100,000 plus seat venue to showcase their talent.

I would put PSU up with LSU and Florida, maybe even give a nod to PSU given that the path to the playoff would be better than getting pounded in an increasingly competitive SEC. Ole Miss and Auburn certainly below PSU - Ole Miss is simply not in that tier (if they were, why would Kiffen leave?), and Auburn has had some very uninspiring coach hirings recently. FSU might have a decent path to the playoff thru the ACC, but their coach isn't gone yet.

Of all the schools you mentioned, Bama is head and shoulders above the rest given their commitment to their program. Problem there is that it's a pressure cooker job.

If PSU really is a bottom of the barrel job, then I'd say hire Terry Smith now and be done with it. Chesney would probably get snapped up by another school first, if they wanted to take a chance on him, but if Chesney succeeds, why would he stay at a second-tier school like Penn State?
 
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Agreed, but absent a "home run hire" like Deboer or Elko, assuming Meyer is out of play, who is better than Terry Smith as a "long term hire?" Just a few off the top from yesterday: Brohm (Louisville) got tromped by SMU, Key (GT) got killed by Pitt, Drinkwitz (Mizzou) got put down by Oklahoma (not unexpected but still). Chesney (JMU) keeps rolling - my question is, is a proven HC from FCS better than a guy like Smith who bleeds blue and white and is making lemonade out of lemons? I mean, Chesney is as much a gamble as Smith - at least with Smith you know what you got.

Kraft did what he had to do, fired Franklin. Little did he know (maybe he did) that his problems were just beginning!
He should be aware of that.