"New" LFL costs..

[kb549]

Here's the problem I see with the 6 vs 20 issue. No matter the capacity, the box will be required to purchase season tickets for every seat in the box.

If it's a 20 seat box, you're at $7,000 for the seats and fee. So if you have a trailer now that seats 20 people, but only 4 or 5 have season tickets and everyone else buys single game tickets, you're looking at having to find 15 friends to pony up for season tickets and their share of the annual fee. Or you're going to be stuck with people you don't know that want to get in the LFL and all of a sudden "your" box just became "their" box.

 

[engie]

You're backing further alterations to something that works in the hope that we duplicate something someone else has.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that we can have the best of what we currently have along with the best of what they currently have -- ending with something that blows the current iteration of Dudy Noble field completely out of the water in every single way and doesn't CONTINUE to exclude a whole generation of fans, and instantly becomes a stadium AND atmosphere with no comparable in the college baseball game.

As recently as Pat McMahon's tenure, we had more than quadruple the fan support they did. Ours hasn't grown at all in 15 years -- theirs has quadrupled to the point of roughly being our equal. And yet you still stay on the path that "our way" is better than "their way"? Reality tells us something very different.

 

[drt7891]

I know you are being a smartass, but let me explain....

I would LOVE a CHANCE at a LFL spot. Of course I could show up out there, meet some random dude, bring food (or not) and buddy up... But I still have ZERO SHOt at a spot. It's not the money, it's not anything but the fact that I didn't know the right people at the right time. I guess I could sit at someone else's rig where I couldnt bring family/friends, etc without being a pain in the ***. So... Yes, that's an option.

My overall point is this... I spent my entire college career spending weekends sitting in the bleachers (pre- Dude's era), watching a .500 baseball team in front of a 1/3 full grandstands and a half empty LFL where I literally knew no one with a spot. We had no shot at a lounge spot and no shot at getting in the grandstand... Simply due to the fact that I had no tangible connections with anyone in either place. Of course the answer is "well, *******, meet some people..." But it's not as simple as going up to some guy's rig and saying "let me sit out here." I've been going to baseball games for over 10 years and have sat in the lounge twice. Of course it's special out there and of course people have spent many years out there... But I've got zero means of getting a spot of my own.

There are plenty of passionate baseball fans like myself who would give way more than $200/season for the CHANCE at a spot... But unless you were grandfathered in, you have ZERO chance. And yea, it kinda does suck... And it makes me a bit jealous of the fact that I don't have a chance at my own spot just because I wasnt grandfathered in (or had favor with the right people at the right time). So... There's my rant.

 

[aTotal360]

I never understood LFL rental fee to ever include ticket costs. You had to show some sort of ticket/student ID to get in through the gate, then be part of people owning a rig. It's not like owning a LFL means you have season tickets for everyone in your party. You still had to buy the tickets. Take the fraternities for instance, do they give season tickets to all the young alumni that want to come back? Not that I know of.

I think the only that the LFL fee included was one (1) vehicle pass that allowed you access to the LFL area a couple hours before the game. No game tickets are included. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[00Dawg]

We've been through the exclusion argument before. Sorry, for many of them it's their own fault for not caring enough.

Now, as to the rest, we're going to blow everyone out of the water. At this point it's about how much of a gap we put between us and them.
UM closed the previous gap because we were complacent in our program's on-the-field expectations, and their program was reaching historic highs. It's very easy to argue that their atmosphere is a result, not a cause. Certainly that's what their required cutbacks on PSL costs would seem to indicate.

Personally, I don't want to turn our outfield into a divided area with alumni on one end and students on the other. Obviously it's going to change somewhat with the new rigs, but part of what made the LFL special was the mix.

 

[engie]

We've been through the exclusion argument before. Sorry, for many of them it's their own fault for not caring enough.

Now, as to the rest, we're going to blow everyone out of the water. At this point it's about how much of a gap we put between us and them.
UM closed the previous gap because we were complacent in our program's on-the-field expectations, and their program was reaching historic highs. It's very easy to argue that their atmosphere is a result, not a cause. Certainly that's what their required cutbacks on PSL costs would seem to indicate.

Personally, I don't want to turn our outfield into a divided area with alumni on one end and students on the other. Obviously it's going to change somewhat with the new rigs, but part of what made the LFL special was the mix.

You don't want to turn our outfield into 2 inclusion zones where literally everyone is welcome -- but are happy having 50 exclusion zones where a significant portion of the people that would like to go can't? That's the most "Ole Miss" thinking ever.

Ultimately, you are in favor of guys like DRT never having a place out there, correct? Never finding comfort, never having that opportunity, and ultimately not coming to the games any more at some point. You think that what we've got is a sustainable model going forward as the original lounge holders now enter their 60s -- and there is still no opportunity for anyone new to enjoy the outfield, really whatsoever?

There's got to be room and provisions for both "groups" to enjoy it out there. If there isn't, rebuilding the stadium is pointless.

I now have access to lounges, access to a skybox outside of a handful of games per year, and can enjoy DNF to it's fullest. But I never forgot what those bleachers were like -- and no one else that was ever stuck there will either. Most won't care as much as I did to eventually find their way into it. And most of those potentially huge fans are listening on the radio and haven't been back to Dudy Noble since they graduated.

 

[aTotal360]

Now you're just grasping at straws. Tell me what's broke with LFL. If your using the guise of "it's not maximizing revenue", would you be happy if it did cost $3K and all existing LFL owners ponied up the cash and kept their spots? Would you be happy if that happened? Because that's probably whats going to happen in reality.

Or is problem that it's exclusive to only select individuals and the "cheap rent" makes you feel like it could be yours since you could technically afford it? I'm willing to bet this is the problem most people have and simply don't want to admit it.

And people not coming back because they don't have the opportunity to sit in LFL? There are potentially just as many people in LFL that would not go to the games if they didn't have the assurance of having a rig/spot out there. There are 2 sides to that coin.

And trying to relate LFL to some sort of social utopia is silly.

 

[johnson86-1]

Now you're just grasping at straws. Tell me what's broke with LFL. If your using the guise of "it's not maximizing revenue", would you be happy if it did cost $3K and all existing LFL owners ponied up the cash and kept their spots? Would you be happy if that happened? Because that's probably whats going to happen in reality.

Or is problem that it's exclusive to only select individuals and the "cheap rent" makes you feel like it could be yours since you could technically afford it? I'm willing to bet this is the problem most people have and simply don't want to admit it.

If that's what you think woudl happen, then why in the world would you be against it costing $3k? At the very minimum, we should be charging the maximum amount that would not result in a single LFL owner dropping their spot. I think there's a very good argument you should charge more than that, but I can't imagine what the argument would be for not charging at least that.

 

[Rog.sixpack]

You need to imagine harder then, brah.

I believe in you.

But it's hard to imagine them seating 20 folks,

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

I am no longer worried about DNF. Stricklin has my full confidence at this point. There will probably be a few kinks to work out at first, but he'll get it straight- his head is definitely in the right place.

And BTW, $3k/season for a 20 person rig is still very reasonable (assuming it is a 20 person rig). For example, we have 37 home games scheduled this year (not counting possible regionals and SR)- that would extrapolate out to around $4-5/person per game for most seasons. Can someone please explain to me how that is price gouging or unreasonable? Especially for a spot as coveted as the LFL... You won't find a better deal than that anywhere.

Sorry, but $200/rig for a whole season is what is REALLY unreasonable here- getting a spot in the LFL for that cheap is borderline stealing from the University and people who paid that are luckier than the Auburn football team and have been spoiled, IMO. No other school in the SEC would have kept this sweetheart deal for so long. Just accept that the days of getting a coveted spot in the LFL basically for free are over, and understand that you'll now just be paying a fair price... Hell, $4-5/person per game still sounds like a very good deal for the rig owners anyway.

I think you are forgetting that games are free to students. I think student organizations should get a discount on that 3k.

 

[engie]

Now you're just grasping at straws.

The same straws I was grasping at when I started beating the "tear down Dudy Noble" drum a long time ago? At what point do you admit to yourself that I've been well ahead of the curve on the stadium?

Tell me what's broke with LFL.

The fact that there's nowhere for 60+% of the people that would like to be out there to go, fit in, and enjoy actually being able to watch the game. This is probably where you mention the right field "hill" -- which in it's current iteration sucks. That = "broke" -- and the fact that you can't see it makes you part of the problem.

Thankfully, there's a large enough percentage of people making the calls that realize the problem that are going to fix it with the rebuild.

If your using the guise of "it's not maximizing revenue"

Where did I allegedly do this?

would you be happy if it did cost $3K and all existing LFL owners ponied up the cash and kept their spots? Would you be happy if that happened?

That's what I expect to happen, and I'd be happy if it happened because my spot out there will be secured. In reality, it will be regardless. I'm not talking about taking spots away from existing lounge owners, I'm talking about adding OPPORTUNITIES to EVERYONE else to be out there and enjoy it, with a flat spot they can comfortably put a chair and cooler and grill, and still be able to see the game without looking through the back of a half dozen lounges, on an off-camber hill, with nowhere to put a grill and nowhere decent to set a cooler or chair.

Or is problem that it's exclusive to only select individuals and the "cheap rent" makes you feel like it could be yours since you could technically afford it? I'm willing to bet this is the problem most people have and simply don't want to admit it.

That's not the problem on any level whatsoever. People would pay just to have a spot to go out there that was "theirs" -- and will happily enough compromise with a common area that allows them the same opportunities to comfortably enjoy what is offered out there.

And people not coming back because they don't have the opportunity to sit in LFL?

That's not what I said. People don't come back because they don't have the opportunity to sit anywhere in the damn stadium other than the bleachers, while being tortured by the sights of an empty grandstand. That's the huge, glaring problem.

There are potentially just as many people in LFL that would not go to the games if they didn't have the assurance of having a rig/spot out there. There are 2 sides to that coin.

What are you talking about again?

And trying to relate LFL to some sort of social utopia is silly.

I was pretty sure you were lost -- now I'm positive that you are.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Even if it is

just 6 seats, that's only $20/game + tickets. I do not think that's unreasonable, especially considering the extras that are included with having the "lounge."

 

[GhostOfJackie]

Here are my thoughts. I don't mind them charging more for the lounge spots if we are sure that the current members (you know the ones that make it unique) will still buy a spot and continue to come to games. As long as the price doesn't scare some of the people that made the lounge what it is, I'm fine with it. Most of the regulars of the lounge are not big time donors. Some are but most are not. Let's not make the sticker shock scare off these people.

I'll continue to sit in the chair backs either way.

 

[Jacknut1]

Except you don't get to pay $20/game, it has to be paid up front. Big difference.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Well of course

it's got to be paid up front, but youre paying for the right to have those spots for 24 games, not one.

 

[engie]

it's got to be paid up front, but youre paying for the right to have those spots for 24 games, not one.

Probably 35+ regular season games most years...

 

[aTotal360]

Well I hope one day you'll able to "find comfort" at Dudy Noble.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

you can tell when we are sucking at football and basketball when a baseball threads get run before thanksgiving.

 

[engie]

Well I hope one day you'll able to "find comfort" at Dudy Noble.

I'll try my best. The skyboxes are uncomfortably warm in February...

 

[00Dawg]

I'm having trouble comprehending what you're even saying, so let me restate my position: I want the LFL to have a mix of groups just like it has now. I don't want to put rules in place that are designed to drive certain groups out just so we can try to create more "atmosphere" in a student-only section.

Meanwhile, DRT and I have discussed his particular circumstances at length, but what you're driving at will never be possible for everyone. There will always be someone left out. Let's say 25% of the current LFL holders get pissed and leave. You think those 22 spots will make it outside the top 250 spots of the BC ranks before they're purchased? The top 500? Maybe DRT has tens of thousands of dollars to pour in and jump up the ranks to grab one, but how many other people do? Answer: very few. You're still going to have to put in the time and effort to climb the BC ranks if your dream is to host friends on your rig.

In the end, the LFL rig area will remain a place where you have to know someone to have a place to hangout. The good news is that we're putting in other areas where social effort won't be required in order to have a quality seat, and folks who graduated since 2010 and haven't been back have one less excuse to stay away.

 

[engie]

I'm having trouble comprehending what you're even saying, so let me restate my position: I want the LFL to have a mix of groups just like it has now.

Where did anyone suggest differently?

I don't want to put rules in place that are designed to drive certain groups out just so we can try to create more "atmosphere" in a student-only section.

You've come off against change altogether. You don't want "rules" in place so that more people can enjoy it out there. Does that not make you against any form of compromise that allows more people to enjoy it out there? That's my rub...

Everyone can keep their lounges. They are building the same number that are currently out there under the ideal that everyone will keep their spots. But that doesn't mean that we can't and shouldn't have a NICE, integrated student section that people can actually see from(without looking through lounges on the side of hill), carry in coolers, and otherwise fully enjoy the culture of the outfield without "having a spot" or "knowing somebody". That doesn't mean that we won't have 2 young alumni sections with the same possibilities, one of which is geared toward families, and the other for the party crowd. ALL of that can happen out there -- and all of that is happening out there.

Meanwhile, DRT and I have discussed his particular circumstances at length, but what you're driving at will never be possible for everyone. There will always be someone left out.

The fact that someone ends up being excluded is not an excuse to purposefully exclude the vast majority of people. The most fundamental thing about MSU has always been inclusion. Always. It's time baseball finds a way to join the crowd on that. Otherwise we might as well call ourselves the Yale of the South, shut these two public websites down, and migrate to "private" sites where we can fancy ourselves better than everyone else based on hot air.

Let's say 25% of the current LFL holders get pissed and leave. You think those 22 spots will make it outside the top 250 spots of the BC ranks before they're purchased? The top 500?

What does any of that have to do with anything? Unless I'm drastically misunderstanding his point, DRT simply wants a place to belong out there. He isn't specifically asking for his own lounge to run the show on. That's not actually what anyone is asking for that I've seen. No one really cares if they get to call themselves the "owner" of a rickety wooden structure out there. They want a place where they can feel COMFORTABLE going, where they know they belong, can invite whoever they want without imposing on anyone else, party however they want within reason, and otherwise enjoy all of the actual "benefits" of the lounges(cooking, drinking, sitting and relaxing, watching the game, socializing). That doesn't have to be as an owner of a "lounge" -- it can happen in the new group sections. It will happen there. It just can't happen in the current setup for the most part -- and it makes me angry when anyone suggests that the rest of this tremendous baseball fanbase doesn't deserve the opportunity at the enjoyment that they, themselves, get in their current situations. Nearly everyone can all be accommodated in the rebuild -- and they will be...

Maybe DRT has tens of thousands of dollars to pour in and jump up the ranks to grab one, but how many other people do? Answer: very few. You're still going to have to put in the time and effort to climb the BC ranks if your dream is to host friends on your rig.

Unless I really don't understand his viewpoint -- and his viewpoint is different than the vast majority of my 26-35 peer group -- then you are missing the point...

In the end, the LFL rig area will remain a place where you have to know someone to have a place to hangout.

There is going to be a dual level 360* concourse in left. Traffic out there will greatly exceed what it's ever been before. Lounge "owners" aren't going to be allowed to shut those sidewalks down outside of reason. One of the major problems with the current DNF is the inability to move around, especially in a manner where you can see the game. Why go to the trouble and expense to build a 360* concourse if you aren't going to enforce it's advantages? Strick has made it clear how much he values that ability in the rebuild. And it's going to take getting used to for the lounge owners.

Again -- people don't care about the terminology/specificity of "hanging out in a lounge." They want a place to go and drink/grill and otherwise have the ability to do the same things the lounges do with the ability to still watch the game. The total package of the lounges, just in 3 "common areas"... Those options will be there now -- they haven't been before.

The good news is that we're putting in other areas where social effort won't be required in order to have a quality seat, and folks who graduated since 2010 and haven't been back have one less excuse to stay away.

This I agree with. And we'll see the extent I was right or wrong on the "silent demand" debate when the opportunities in this thing opens...

 

[mcdawg22]

Over / Under of how many pages Engie takes this bad boy. I say 5. Just someone bring up sight lines.

 

[engie]

Over / Under of how many pages Engie takes this bad boy. I say 5. Just someone bring up sight lines.

You haven't seen the mocks? They are fixing that. By tearing down the stadium. Just like I said they would need to.

I enjoy discussing it -- but I'm not much worried about it -- and haven't really been ever since I saw who they hired as architects. I'm getting everything I wanted and fought for for so long.

 

[00Dawg]

Where did anyone suggest differently?

There were several comments to the effect of it being fine to run student organizations out of the rig areas since they have a student-only area to attend.

The fact that someone ends up being excluded is not an excuse to purposefully exclude the vast majority of people.

*Sigh* Just like the DWS reseating, not everyone will get their dream seat, and you'll always have a group of "disenfranchised" folks until the next opportunity for them to move up, rinse, repeat.

Unless I'm drastically misunderstanding his point, DRT simply wants a place to belong out there. He isn't specifically asking for his own lounge to run the show on.

He said he'd love to have one.

There is going to be a dual level 360* concourse in left. Traffic out there will greatly exceed what it's ever been before. Lounge "owners" aren't going to be allowed to shut those sidewalks down outside of reason. One of the major problems with the current DNF is the inability to move around, especially in a manner where you can see the game. Why go to the trouble and expense to build a 360* concourse if you aren't going to enforce it's advantages? Strick has made it clear how much he values that ability in the rebuild. And it's going to take getting used to for the lounge owners.

So now more rules? No Loitering signs and whatnot? I get the utopian vision (cooking in the common areas will be interesting), but as one who has navigated the LFL plenty of times, I still think we'll have popular places and chokepoints, particularly if the frats are still around. Sight lines will definitely be better, though.

This I agree with. And we'll see the extent I was right or wrong on the "silent demand" debate when the opportunities in this thing opens...

Yes, if the bleachers are full of folks just waiting for the chance to plunk down the money and grab at least a chairback seat, we'll sell out of everything almost overnight.

 

[drt7891]

Let me Clarify:

I don't have 10's of thousands of dollars to dump into a rig or a spot. HOWEVER, the current rate is $200/season plus the cost of GA tickets. That's it. I could have easily afforded that even when I was in college... and would have been more than happy to pay that to have the luxury of enjoying LFL. Hell, I'd pay amount a season just to be put on a waiting list for a spot. Over the years, I've been fortunate enough to be able to step into some grandstand season tickets, but I still have not found a comfortable "in route" to LFL (i.e. knowing someone well enough to be able to enjoy the lounge with friends/family/etc.). And in it's current setup, I won't be able to.

Let's look at the history... The lounge began as people backing pickup trucks and cars up to the outfield fence. Everyone knows that. However, somewhere along the line, the university said "you know what, let's start charging for spots" and they did. My guess is (I don't know this for fact... I'm guessing), people wanted to start reserving their spots prior to games, then that transformed into parking actual rigs in those spots for the season. Thus, the modern LFL was born. Somewhere along the line (probably at the strong encouragement of lounge holders) The university offered those people "contracts" to keep those spots until they didn't want them anymore. All this happened before I was born. A few expansions to the lounge have been made since then, but unless you knew and had favor with the right people at the right time, you weren't getting any of those spots.

Now, my whole argument is that unless you were somehow an "original" lounge spot holder, or are good enough friends with one of those people to have access to a lounge, you aren't getting a spot... nor are you sitting out there and truly enjoying LFL. I mean... sure, you can buddy up with someone, maybe... but that's like me inviting my family, my friends, and myself to your house for a party, and most people aren't really going to feel comfortable doing that. So, as I said from the beginning, the way the current lounge is set up, someone who doesn't have the luxury of
1) knowing someone with a lounge
2) having enough favor with someone in the administration to set you up with a spot
will not be getting a spot and will not get the chance to enjoy LFL (no matter what that person's rank with the BDC is, or how long that person has been going to games).

I've already said I don't want to see prices jacked up outrageously. I also don't want to disrespect those who were there from the beginning (which is probably at least 95% of the people out there) by creating a price war and spots go to the highest bidder, HOWEVER, I do believe there needs to be SOME incentive for at least SOME turnover in lounge spots. Why? Not to disrespect those out there or make it hard on them (the current deal right now is a total sweetheart deal... let's be real)... but to afford younger/newer baseball fans who weren't fortunate enough to be there in the beginning the opportunity to fully enjoy the lounge. Someone like me does not have that opportunity... not because I can't afford it (I can afford season football and baseball tickets just fine... and donate accordingly to the BDC), but because I didn't have the right in-roads at the right time to get a spot. To me, that's the most unfortunate part about LFL. Not the fact that I, personally, can't get a spot (I'd love to have one), but because passionate fans of MSU baseball, who maybe weren't lucky enough to get an original or expanded spot, have no way to enjoy the greatest tradition in college baseball without knowing someone who already has one (no matter their BDC rank). To me, that's unfortunate, and it's not fair for many people.

I love MSU baseball, but there are a lot of ways that it can be improved on DRASTICALLY. I completely agree with engie in that the current setup alienates new/younger fans. When I was in school, we could either sit on that sorry-*** hill behind all the lounges in right field, get there early enough to find a spot to hang over ~30' of right field fence, or sit in the bleachers. That was it. Thankfully, the university addressed some of that with the creation of the Dudes... affording students AT LEAST the opportunity at grandstand seating (which I did not have when I was in school). That's a step in the right direction.

But all this still has a long way to go, IMO, to continue growth and improving the atmosphere at DNF. That was my whole point.

ETA: I don't want to confuse my statements above with reality. My statements were regarding my personal feelings toward the lounge as it currently is. In the new stadium, I would most certainly compromise. I don't expect to be given an opportunity at a lounge spot, but I would at least like an area in the outfield that, although not permanent, still affords me the opportunities to enjoy the perks of LFL (grilling, having room to bring a chair, enjoy food and drinks with friends/family/etc.).

 

[00Dawg]

The sentiment is admirable, but one of the points I was trying to make earlier is that newer/younger fans likely won't benefit from turnover in the LFL rigs. Folks in their 60's and any other groups who step away will be almost certainly be replaced by older (than Engie) fans who have the BDC rank to go with their age, and who have been waiting their own turn at having a LFL rig. This is doubly true now since the new setup won't require you to have somewhere local in Starkville to store your rig during the offseason.

 

[drt7891]

And personally, that's fine. Some turnover is much better than no turnover... because that means someone that wasn't grandfathered in or was an original lounge holder has the opportunity to gain access to a spot and enjoy the lounge. To me, that's much more fair than the current setup and affords a guy like me an opportunity at a spot (even if it's a very small one).

I will also add the disclaimer that I would hope some screening by the athletic dept would be done... like many have said, the character of the lounge needs to be retained... and the last thing anyone (including myself) wants to see is a "corporate" takeover of lounge spots.

 

[mcdawg22]

I see hanging around coach has done wonders for your ego.

I'm getting everything I wanted and fought for for so long.

If only you had fought harder for Hud.

 

[dickiedawg]

But that doesn't mean that we can't and shouldn't have a NICE, integrated student section...

Wait, I thought we were emulating right field at Ole Miss?

 

[engie]

Wait, I thought we were emulating right field at Ole Miss?

They are.

Lounges in front of the 360* concourse, student section behind it. They will "build up" the hill and build the new scoreboard higher up to accomplish this in a way that everyone can see.

I'd like to see us "flat tier" this section for 4-5 rows deep and then have a flat area behind it for the tents and whatnot, and I suspect that we will do that...

 

[engie]

If only you had fought harder for Hud.

Gotta have a ying to the yang with all of the obsessing about the one time I was wrong every time I post here...

So tell me, when did I hurt your feelings in this baseball discussion?

 

[engie]

There were several comments to the effect of it being fine to run student organizations out of the rig areas since they have a student-only area to attend.

It being "fine" doesn't mean they are going to do it. But you'll see some migration to common areas anyway once we actually have those common areas...

*Sigh* Just like the DWS reseating, not everyone will get their dream seat, and you'll always have a group of "disenfranchised" folks until the next opportunity for them to move up, rinse, repeat.

You can't compare it to DWS because people actually knew what they were getting at DWS. And the only pissed off people were the ones that didn't follow the rules or were otherwise already angry about other stuff.

With Dudy Noble, you may have an initial backlash -- but it will go away the day those people step foot in the stadium once they realize the worst seat in the house is better than their current "great" seat. That will be unanimously true for the grandstand area and almost unanimously true for the outfield. Much of our fanbase will not realize what they have been missing until they see it in the new stadium...

So now more rules? No Loitering signs and whatnot? I get the utopian vision (cooking in the common areas will be interesting), but as one who has navigated the LFL plenty of times, I still think we'll have popular places and chokepoints, particularly if the frats are still around. Sight lines will definitely be better, though.

It's not "utopian" -- it's realities I've found from going around the country watching baseball and passively looking at ways to improve dudy noble at every stop. There's no such thing as perfect -- but you get alot closer idea of "what actually makes a baseball game experience great" the more you see and experience. It's perspective -- and it's something many of our fans don't really seem to have when it comes to this kind of stuff. They(the lucky few) go sit in their same lounge seat, drink their same beer, grill their same food, and can't imagine anything anywhere being better. Yet it will still be made better in this go round. May take a little adjustment period before they admit it to themselves, in the same way it took an adjustment period to admit that Cohen was the right move instead of Raffo...

Yes, if the bleachers are full of folks just waiting for the chance to plunk down the money and grab at least a chairback seat, we'll sell out of everything almost overnight.

Right

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

And personally, that's fine. Some turnover is much better than no t. nover... because that means someone that wasn't grandfathered in or was an original lounge holder has the opportunity to gain access to a spot and enjoy the lounge. To me, that's much more fair than the current setup and affords a guy like me an opportunity at a spot (even if it's a very small one).

I will also add the disclaimer that I would hope some screening by the athletic dept would be done... like many have said, the character of the lounge needs to be retained... and the last thing anyone (including myself) wants to see is a "corporate" takeover of lounge spots.

How about setting a few lounges aside to beawarded on a per game basis by a lottery system? Increase your odds by BC level, attendence, etc?

 

[engie]

How about setting a few lounges aside to beawarded on a per game basis by a lottery system? Increase your odds by BC level, attendence, etc?

That's a great potential solution if you ask me...