So, should we also have trusted Hank Hughes when he failed to recruit effectively? Also, by suggesting that we should trust the coaching evaluation, you also are assuming that the HCMR is content with the pool of talent that Cav is recruiting. Just because he agrees to offer a player presented by Cav does not mean that he is happy with the limited choices being presented. He may conclude that that is the best option, given our limitations. But he very well may be re-assessing whether Cav is the right fit long term. And are we really going to claim that Alabama's OL recruiting is similar that of NU right now?
New OT offer extended.
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let's see where the offensive and defensive line recruiting ends up and ultimately performance on the field - we are going to see the Oline in a lot more pure pass pro situations this year. The passing game should make the offensive line more effective in the run game as well.
It is my opinion that in a prostyle offense that Riley and Langs want to run there is a high premium on offensive line play. This is contrast to the spread offenses that take some pressure off the offensive line with quick passes - bubble screens, etc and wide oline splits that call for quick hitting running plays in the gaps (doesn't rely on the oline getting a big push).
I do believe - for the 99% of fans on this board, a prospects offer list - late in the recruiting cycle - is a pretty good litmus test. With recruiting the way it is, prospects that get completely overlooked are extremely rare. Prospects with a number of lower D1 offers haven't been overlooked by the power 5 schools. They have been evaluated and the offers were not extended. Therefore if we are offering scholarships late in the recruiting cycle to prospects with very few D1 offers and those D1 offers are from lower tier schools I think that is a concern - even if the prospect happens to be from Nebraska.
With regards to the most recent offer - I think it is too early in the recruiting cycle to judge based on his offer list.
It is my opinion that in a prostyle offense that Riley and Langs want to run there is a high premium on offensive line play. This is contrast to the spread offenses that take some pressure off the offensive line with quick passes - bubble screens, etc and wide oline splits that call for quick hitting running plays in the gaps (doesn't rely on the oline getting a big push).
I do believe - for the 99% of fans on this board, a prospects offer list - late in the recruiting cycle - is a pretty good litmus test. With recruiting the way it is, prospects that get completely overlooked are extremely rare. Prospects with a number of lower D1 offers haven't been overlooked by the power 5 schools. They have been evaluated and the offers were not extended. Therefore if we are offering scholarships late in the recruiting cycle to prospects with very few D1 offers and those D1 offers are from lower tier schools I think that is a concern - even if the prospect happens to be from Nebraska.
With regards to the most recent offer - I think it is too early in the recruiting cycle to judge based on his offer list.
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Good post except the part about the quick passes and bubble screens.
In watching past Oregon St games, especially the successful years, the short passing game was the base that everything was built. The short passes opened up the double moves and the over the top passing. The LBs had to respect the screens and at times got caught reading pass first, which in turn opened up the run.
In watching past Oregon St games, especially the successful years, the short passing game was the base that everything was built. The short passes opened up the double moves and the over the top passing. The LBs had to respect the screens and at times got caught reading pass first, which in turn opened up the run.
I'm saying sometimes a coach who evaluates a player and meets them in person knows sometimes knows more than the online guy. I think OL is the best position to develop, because if a team needs young guys to step in and contribute early on the OL your team is probably in trouble.
Unless I'm ignorant on the Nebraska OL recruiting and development I don't even think twice if Ferentz offers some 6'5" 235 kid that barely has any offers because well we know that they develop those guys on the regular. If the kid has a good frame and your program has a decent strength and conditioning program I'm sure you'll be in good shape with the kid.
great point - thanks for the insight
I realize this is overly simplistic but a couple things I look at for offensive line play are
1. on 2nd-3rd and long is the QB afforded a reasonable amount of time to get through their progressions
2. 3rd and <4 - ? is running the ball between the tackles an option - I am not a RUN the BALL! guy - but I would hope that a run wouldn't have to be completely taken off the table in those situations
I don't disagree, especially point 1. I expect to see Nebraska throwing more on 1st down trying to set up more 2nd and shorts. Obviously there will be incompletions or short gaines setting up 2nd and long. I am a huge proponent of pitching backward in baseball. I believe that is Riley's philosophy in calling a game by utilizing a short passing game to set up the run.
As far as point 2 goes, I agree but my opinion is that being good enough in the short passing game will allow for the running game to be successful on 3rd and <4. If there is little threat of a successful pass on 3rd and short, the defense can sell out against the run.
Cav doesn't carte blanche run the board. At a minimum we know Riley is involved because Devaney has basically come out and said it, and we know Devaney is a big piece because he's come out and said it.
If for the last four months most of our effort has been against Bleich, Traore, Stratford and Beresford, its because multiple people have signed off on it.
Riley has shown enough inclination to show people the door who have not been getting it done. Letting Cav burn the place down (if that's Riley's assessment of his performance) doesn't have a whole lot of grounding.
I would guess that Riley has a higher opinion of Will Farniok and the others on the board, than fans do on Rivals. That's just a place where folks will have to trust or not.
With regards to Hughes, you'll recall that we struggled to get kids to visit, let alone commit. I'm not sure that Riley places Cav in that rarified air.
My general take is similar to Husker Wed...
I don't mind the offer but...
Missing on Bleich and Stratford really hurt... There are 29 four star or greater offensive lineman still available one of them being Daniel Faalele 6'9 390 OT out of IMG... We need an OT bad, and I would think the way our name is getting thrown around at IMG we should at least make an effort at him. I haven't heard one mention of Reuben Unije on here, and he is also still available. You are telling me these two aren't higher up on our board?
Missing on Bleich and Stratford really hurt... There are 29 four star or greater offensive lineman still available one of them being Daniel Faalele 6'9 390 OT out of IMG... We need an OT bad, and I would think the way our name is getting thrown around at IMG we should at least make an effort at him. I haven't heard one mention of Reuben Unije on here, and he is also still available. You are telling me these two aren't higher up on our board?
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One advantage that we have at IMG, is Bookie.
Bookie knows.
We probably have pretty good intel on the ground of who will give us the time of day, and those who would just be time sinks.
We could just offer the whole team, but I don't get the vibe that Devaney or Riley are going to run the board that way.
Well since neither have reported offers from Nebraska, I would say no, those two aren't higher up on the Nebraska board. Should they be? Maybe. But neither guy has played football for more than 2 seasons. Perhaps, the staff is waiting to see them play this season before making an offer. Maybe the staff contacted the players and the players said they have no desire to go to Nebraska. A lot of variables in there.
So this is why I threw out the Avery/Mapieu situation in the other thread. We basically turned Avery away and made Mapieu "the guy" even though that's backwards ratings wise.
Why? Do they believe in an in-state heart factor? Are they fairly interchangeable at the top end of potential? I can't answer that with any certainty but JP/the staff are cool with it.
Guy Thomas is instructive as well. Guy Thomas was a 3*/4* because of his potential, not because of where he was. The guy was a project even though he had good visibility. Everyone looked at him and said "if you put a little weight on that kid, he's Von Miller".
If Cade's coach is at all correct that he's a player that just needs some weight, we can do that for him. It might even be preferable to taking a 340lb HS JR and stripping him down and then building him back up again, but is getting a 4* rating because he's already NFL size.
The kid was seen on film and in camp, if the top end potential is there, I don't mind putting him through the S&C program.
Another board is saying we have 20 OL offers out. Which is about double what I thought were out there.
I would rather try to put 40 lbs on a kid in the weight room than try to take 50 off and rebuild him. Fat kids tend to battle it their whole career.
You guys remember Volk from Battle Creek, Ne? He was their center on the basketball team.
O-line coaches love big guys who play basketball and can put on the weight/strength to play at this level because their agility and footwork is usually at a higher level.
If they offered him and he already was on campus then they measured him, assessed his frame and have a good idea how much weight he can add.
Its going to be 13 months before his 1st fall camp and maybe 25 before his 1st game... could easily be 290 by then.
Could be a great offer.
O-line coaches love big guys who play basketball and can put on the weight/strength to play at this level because their agility and footwork is usually at a higher level.
If they offered him and he already was on campus then they measured him, assessed his frame and have a good idea how much weight he can add.
Its going to be 13 months before his 1st fall camp and maybe 25 before his 1st game... could easily be 290 by then.
Could be a great offer.
