New uni's appeal to recruits/Get over yourself old people

[FreeDawg]

Her is a quote from Kivon Coleman about the new uniforms (Im not going to directly quote since its a BDJ interview): They showed us the new uni's.<span style="font-weight: bold;"> Adidas is bringing that swag to MSU</span>. I love them, they are great. The grey one's are sweet too.

While many poster have different/unhappy views on the uniforms, which I agree with some, this isnt about you or me. This next part is going to be hard for some of you. We are NOT Bama, LSU, or Fla and at MSU we must try anything humanly possible to convince 17 year olds that we are the right choice for them. I want a good product on the field. If that means that I have to listen to rap music on the jumbotron and look at new styled alternative jerseys then I am all for it.

 

[FreeDawg]

Her is a quote from Kivon Coleman about the new uniforms (Im not going to directly quote since its a BDJ interview): They showed us the new uni's.<span style="font-weight: bold;"> Adidas is bringing that swag to MSU</span>. I love them, they are great. The grey one's are sweet too.

While many poster have different/unhappy views on the uniforms, which I agree with some, this isnt about you or me. This next part is going to be hard for some of you. We are NOT Bama, LSU, or Fla and at MSU we must try anything humanly possible to convince 17 year olds that we are the right choice for them. I want a good product on the field. If that means that I have to listen to rap music on the jumbotron and look at new styled alternative jerseys then I am all for it.

 

[was21]

picture of the alleged new ones looks like ****...especially the 17 stripe down the sleeves of the jersey. It looks like something a 17 clown would wear.

 

[tenureplan]

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[FreeDawg]

Bama cherry picks whoever the want because they are 17ing Alabama. Last time I checked at MSU we dont get into the BCS pretty much every year, so yes, we must do anything we can all the way down to uniforms

 

[whereisomaha.sixpack]

My roommate and I are the same age. I love Bama's, USC's, PSU, OSU, and Auburns uniforms. He hates them and loves Oregon's and Maryland's uni's. He also thinks graffic T's are cool along with flat bill Hurley/tap out hats. People are different including recruits. I think having a special uni for one game is cool and works, but to change your uniform totally from something conservative to mountain west/CUSA style uni's just seems un-SEC and being in the SEC is the best thing the MS schools have going for them.

 

[tenureplan]

That just by simply changing uniforms, we get new recruits? Now if we change from something fugly to someting that looks good, I can see that.

But your blanket statement that changing uniforms gives us a recruiting edge is ridiculous. Those uniforms look like ****...between the oversized logo and the stripes, they look more like a NASCAR uniform.

The Matte helmets this year looked good.I could see how recruits can get up for some type of black "special game" uni. But I do not see howthe NASCAR Uni's would gain us a single recruit.

 

[patdog]

They have a pretty good program now and they used to suck. Also, Baylor lost out on a good basketball recruit last year. He publicly said that he eliminated them because he didn't like their uniforms. Did you see how geeked up the Ohio players were when their coaching staff showed them their black uniforms? Hell, someone in this thread gave a quote from one of our own current commitments. How many freaking quotes and examples do you have to see before you start to understand?

 

[Ol Blue.sixpack]

That just by simply changing uniforms, we get new recruits?

But your blanket statement that changing uniforms gives us a recruiting edge is ridiculous.

Oregon and Maryland are the two schools that come to mind when you are talking about uniforms designed to make a splash.

I don't doubt that Oregon's cutting edge approach is appealing to recruits - but I suspect that the winning tradition that Belotti established and the fast pace style of play implemented by Kelly have more affect.

Then there is Maryland. They don't have the winning tradition of Oregon and the coaching change probably didn't send shock waves through the recruiting world. They made a big splash right out the gate with their new uniforms on the first Monday night of the season. But how big of an affect did the new Under Armor gear have on recruiting? Based on Rivals rankings from the last three years, not much:

2010 - 36
2011 - 43
2012 - 45

 

[tenureplan]

Oregon is flashy with their uniforms and yes recruits like them.

That retro-NASCAR uniform isn't flashy. I'm not saying not to change up the uniforms. but when you change for the sake of changing to something that looks like ****, it's not going to get you recruits.

 

[FreeDawg]

That just by simply changing uniforms, we get new recruits? Now if we change from something fugly to someting that looks good, I can see that.

But your blanket statement that changing uniforms gives us a recruiting edge is ridiculous. Those uniforms look like ****...between the oversized logo and the stripes, they look more like a NASCAR uniform.

The Matte helmets this year looked good.I could see how recruits can get up for some type of black "special game" uni. But I do not see howthe NASCAR Uni's would gain us a single recruit.

If you read my original post I didnt say changing uniforms automatically get new recruits. I also didnt say that I was a huge supporter of these alternative uniforms. I liked the matte helmets as well and wish we would go back to the white face mask and interlocking msu. The point was that it isnt about what I/we want. Lets break this down. 1 recruit tweeted a picture of them and another recruit said Adidas was bringin that swag to msu. <span style="font-weight: bold;">It is more than obvious that when the staff unveiled this to the recruits it generated excitement.</span> It may be gimmicky or non sec traditional but I agree with the stance to do anything we can to get these guys excited to play at MSU<br style="font-weight: bold;">

 

[FreeDawg]

My roommate and I are the same age. I love Bama's, USC's, PSU, OSU, and Auburns uniforms. He hates them and loves Oregon's and Maryland's uni's. He also thinks graffic T's are cool along with flat bill Hurley/tap out hats. People are different including recruits. I think having a special uni for one game is cool and works, but to change your uniform totally from something conservative to mountain west/CUSA style uni's just seems un-SEC and being in the SEC is the best thing the MS schools have going for them.

Maybe not "age" old but it is the old way of thinking. I agree with most of your post but wanted to clear that up.

 

[BogeyGolfer.sixpack]

and I actually like our black jersey with white pants combo. Our black jerseys with anything other than white pants looks kind of odd. But those stripe uniforms really look bad, but give our athletic department a little credit, no way we adopt the stripes. I see no problem with having three combinations and having a special uniform for the egg bowl, I think most fans agree. As far as recruiting is concerned, I'm all for whatever works best for MSU, I don't care if we have fifty different variations.

 

[tenureplan]

Your title says new uni's appeal to recruits.

You did give proof that at least one guy likes them tho, so I guess you win...</p>

 

[Big Sheep81]

colors and design. However they all must sign scholarships to pick and must give up the scholarship if we fail to win 10 games and go to a BCS bowl game. Also, at least five of the players must be four * and another five players five *

 

[SnakePlissken]

I mean, if the uniforms are drawing the recruits in we need to find one that committed after seeing the drawings this weekend and not someone that has been committed with the uniforms we are currently wearing?

 

[macadoo1733]

a memory

 

[ThePinkFloyd]

have as much to do with this as recruiting does. Oregon's sales of licensed merchandise have increased 68% since they started the multiple uniform combos. Its all about the almighty dollar.

Im not gonna let some 18 dictate what I wear to the game. I have my baseball style MS shirts and visors and wear them proudly.

Ive said it once and will again. Us old farts understand the recruiting angle to these hideous uniforms. We get it. This still does not mean that we have to like them. They are ugly as hell. Anyone (over the age of 25 so that we are all at least semi-old farts) that actually thinks these look good probably has a few flat brims and Coogi shirts. At the end of the day, it just an opinion.

 

[sleepy dawg]

Do you think your ideal car would be the same as theirs? Shoes?

I doubt it. You not liking the uniforms means jack ****.

 

[lawdawg02]

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[Big Sheep81]

anotheroldfartlikeme

 

[Big Sheep81]

nm

 

[FreeDawg]

when it posted it showed on my computer as the body being blank. It was bizarre. I rewrote it as close to the original as I could remember.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

Did you see how <span style="background-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">geeked up</span> the Ohio players were when their coaching staff showed them their black uniforms?

Yeah....you did.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

That wouldn't bother me at all...the Oregon of the East. But when they are putting uniforms together like the one I saw yesterday would just be embarrassing. If we wear that combination...I will stop all contributions to the bulldog club. Sure it may not mean much, and may be a bit of an over reaction but I'm not throwing my money away to be embarrassed.

 

[FreeDawg]

That wouldn't bother me at all...the Oregon of the East. But when they are putting uniforms together like the one I saw yesterday would just be embarrassing. If we wear that combination...I will stop all contributions to the bulldog club. Sure it may not mean much, and may be a bit of an over reaction but I'm not throwing my money away to be embarrassed.

Whats embarrassing is the end of the Jackie era and damn near the whole Croom era minus 07. Losing to Maine and losing to Ole Miss 45-0 is embarrassing. If a uniform "embarrasses" you to that point I dont know what to tell you besides see ya. That being said, Im sure that isnt the final rendering and will be tweeked but good lord that was harsh.

 

[Eureka Dog]

year in any level of football. That includes the Maryland and Georgia "special" uniforms.

And FWIW, I'll be 50 later this year.

 

[gravedigger]

Lose in it, shoot those mother17ers into space like the criminals from Krypton never to be heard from again.

Win, and keep on wearing it.

Because I know one thing for sure, NOTHING would get the firemullen.com website started like him playing just one 17ing game in the croom era uniforms and us losing that game. I dont care if our3 qbs were out and we were playing those national champion inbreds from tuscalooosa. People would be ready to hang mullen.

Now....if you think youcan imaginewhat that feels like, then you know what it feels like for those of us that watched usget the shitkicked out of us for nearly the entire 80's and hearsomeone say how cool those uniforms were.

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[Moonlight Graham]

The front logo still needs to get smaller and the numbers bigger. Those things are too damn guady. But if it's our normal uniforms worn every game I stand by my previous statement. They should seriously just use ChillBilly's renderings.

 

[Griffdawg]

nm

 

[ChillbillyRock]

And with aTm coming into the conference next season, I see no better way of welcoming them in with open arms than to tribute them with their Bellard uniform! Because that's EXACTLY what this is "throwing back" to. Emory brought it over from A&M. It's an OK idea.... but Horrible timing.

 

[DerHntr]

because you find it ugly and this embarrasses you somehow. Unreal. What if we go undefeated next year in those unis? Screw the AD and Dan Mullens!!!! We looked 17ing silly winning all those games!!1!1!

I think some of you must wear our uniform when you go out at night to Buffalo Wild Wings.

 

[KurtRambis4]

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[dawgs.sixpack]

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I don't doubt that Oregon's cutting edge approach is appealing to recruits - but I suspect that the winning tradition that Belotti established and the fast pace style of play implemented by Kelly have more affect.

Then there is Maryland. They don't have the winning tradition of Oregon and the coaching change probably didn't send shock waves through the recruiting world. They made a big splash right out the gate with their new uniforms on the first Monday night of the season. But how big of an affect did the new Under Armor gear have on recruiting? Based on Rivals rankings from the last three years, not much:

2010 - 36
2011 - 43
2012 - 45

what came first, the chicken or the egg? first of all rich brooks got the oregon program into decent shape back in the mid-90s. belotti then took them a step further, and chip kelly has them as a top 10 program in the country right now. that said, after the '94 rose bowl is when phil knight really stepped up the nike involvement and uni involvement. that undoubtably is the difference between oregon being a top 25 program and a top 10 program. oregon can go into socal and pull de'anthony thomas. they can go into texas and pull 4* and 5* kids. they can go into miami and pull tacoi sumler. yeah it helps they have won recently, but the unis give them a wider recruiting draw. oregon coaches are on record as saying that pre-nike involvement, they could walk in to talk to a kid and get "where's oregon?", and now they can walk in every recruit's living room and the kid immediately smiles and talks about the awesome unis.

as for maryland, (1) give them time, 2011 was the first season they messed with the unis, you can't bring the 2010 and 2011 recruiting classes into that equation, and really even the 2012 class. (2) yes they need to have some good seasons in combination with some bowl seasons. and (3) they need to come with some better unis than the crap they wore v. miami.

but more to the point, we can make chicken and the egg arguments all night long, but the reality is winning and the unis both have helped oregon turn into a progam on par with the best in the country. with just good coaching and some good seasons though, oregon is probably more k-state or clemson than they are southern cal or texas.

 

[anon1751035439]

No high profile high school athlete chooses a college based on their uniform. That is ridiculous. I don't care how many quotes you have.

Oregon's success has more to do with the guy who provided the uniforms than the uniforms themselves. If you think differently, then God help you.

 

[DAWG61]

Maryland keeps getting mentioned should be all that you need to understand that new uniforms matter. Rewind a year ago and NOBODY would mention Maryland on a Mississippi State board. Wake up people. We are Mississippi State. Not Alabama or USC. 99% of the population outside of Mississippi can't distinguish us from Ole Miss. How are we going to make an impression on a 16 year old kid that doesn't live within 2 hours of Starkville? You can keep telling yourself that by winning blah blah blah. That isn't going to happen in a conference that has produced the last 6 National Champions. We have made major strides to no longer be at the bottom of the SEC. Now while we have a decent product it is time to distinguish ourselves in the nations eye. Crazy, new, different, stylish uniforms are an EXCELLENT way to do this. It's been proven to work. Don't believe me? Than how is it you yourself reading this knows what Oregon wore in the Rose Bowl as helmets and what Maryland wore vs Miami to start the season? The uniforms worked. You have your own memory to tell you that.

 

[ThePinkFloyd]

We built a nationally recognized baseball program here without dressing like a bunch of clowns. Too bad the man that built it came back and wrecked it.

 

[ThePinkFloyd]

asshat. We all realize that what we think doesnt 17ing matter. We still have to right to think it looks like ****. If you like em, more power to you. Dont fault me for having good taste. These things are ugly as hell. I personally dont want my team to have to look like a bunch of clowns to win, but if thats what it takes, then fine. It still looks like **** though.

And seeing as I was the only reply to your post, apparently noone gives a **** what you think either.

This was a reply to sleepy dog. I read the reply tutorial, and did things correctly. Not surehow my post endedup here.

 

[Incognegro]

I think where there's a divide is that some people are thinking that others are saying that uniforms can be the only reason a recruit may decide to join a particular school. That's.. not entirely true. A team can look as good as they want when they play, but if they're still ******, it won't matter. Recruits pay attention to that more than they do their uniforms. However, uniforms do have a draw. I'm not too terribly far removed from my high school years to where I can at least remember some of my peers saying that they would like to play for Oregon sans 06-07 because of their uniforms and that was when they were moderate to good and I still remember thinking their uniforms looked like **** then.<div>
</div><div>Again... you won't hear me say that recruits will play for a team only because of their uniforms, but they do matter for a lot of them when you're talking about teams other than Alabama, tOSU, Texas, etc...</div>