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I almost cringe every time I want to type something about this guy. I don't think I have ever been so wrapped up in a player that hasn't even committed yet. Honestly, we can't say **** about the Schaeffer obsession anymore, because we are right there with the Rebels in our lust for Newton.

BUT, FWIW, Rosebowl said in his Bones that the KSU coaches fully expect State to get Cam. Consider this with the UT insider saying the same thing basically.

Just keeping the rumor mill updated.

I will say this, after watching that Blinn video that was posted the other day, my wool is damn near out of control. Forget the pure skill the guy is going to bring for a second, just think about the attitude change that offense is going to undergo. I am not a Lee hater, but just think about going from looking to Tyson Lee in the huddle to looking up at Newton (who is getting ready to murder someone on an option play - and likely telling the huddle he is about to do so). Even if he turns out to be a little less than advertised, pairing him with Mullen still makes the possibilities endless. aGAIN, look at what he is doing with Lee and even Relf. I wish we could go ahead and get him on board so he can get in touch with some big WR recruits (Johnson/Sanders).

Biggest recruit in the last 20 years? I think so. Given the position he plays, his size, speed, athleticism, arm, attitude, experience, familiarity with the playbook...I don't see how there could have been a bigger recruit.
 
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I almost cringe every time I want to type something about this guy. I don't think I have ever been so wrapped up in a player that hasn't even committed yet. Honestly, we can't say **** about the Schaeffer obsession anymore, because we are right there with the Rebels in our lust for Newton.

BUT, FWIW, Rosebowl said in his Bones that the KSU coaches fully expect State to get Cam. Consider this with the UT insider saying the same thing basically.

Just keeping the rumor mill updated.

I will say this, after watching that Blinn video that was posted the other day, my wool is damn near out of control. Forget the pure skill the guy is going to bring for a second, just think about the attitude change that offense is going to undergo. I am not a Lee hater, but just think about going from looking to Tyson Lee in the huddle to looking up at Newton (who is getting ready to murder someone on an option play - and likely telling the huddle he is about to do so). Even if he turns out to be a little less than advertised, pairing him with Mullen still makes the possibilities endless. aGAIN, look at what he is doing with Lee and even Relf. I wish we could go ahead and get him on board so he can get in touch with some big WR recruits (Johnson/Sanders).

Biggest recruit in the last 20 years? I think so. Given the position he plays, his size, speed, athleticism, arm, attitude, experience, familiarity with the playbook...I don't see how there could have been a bigger recruit.
 
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AzzurriDawg4

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I almost cringe every time I want to type something about this guy. I don't think I have ever been so wrapped up in a player that hasn't even committed yet. Honestly, we can't say **** about the Schaeffer obsession anymore, because we are right there with the Rebels in our lust for Newton.

BUT, FWIW, Rosebowl said in his Bones that the KSU coaches fully expect State to get Cam. Consider this with the UT insider saying the same thing basically.

Just keeping the rumor mill updated.

I will say this, after watching that Blinn video that was posted the other day, my wool is damn near out of control. Forget the pure skill the guy is going to bring for a second, just think about the attitude change that offense is going to undergo. I am not a Lee hater, but just think about going from looking to Tyson Lee in the huddle to looking up at Newton (who is getting ready to murder someone on an option play - and likely telling the huddle he is about to do so). Even if he turns out to be a little less than advertised, pairing him with Mullen still makes the possibilities endless. aGAIN, look at what he is doing with Lee and even Relf. I wish we could go ahead and get him on board so he can get in touch with some big WR recruits (Johnson/Sanders).

Biggest recruit in the last 20 years? I think so. Given the position he plays, his size, speed, athleticism, arm, attitude, experience, familiarity with the playbook...I don't see how there could have been a bigger recruit.
 
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AzzurriDawg4

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I almost cringe every time I want to type something about this guy. I don't think I have ever been so wrapped up in a player that hasn't even committed yet. Honestly, we can't say **** about the Schaeffer obsession anymore, because we are right there with the Rebels in our lust for Newton.

BUT, FWIW, Rosebowl said in his Bones that the KSU coaches fully expect State to get Cam. Consider this with the UT insider saying the same thing basically.

Just keeping the rumor mill updated.

I will say this, after watching that Blinn video that was posted the other day, my wool is damn near out of control. Forget the pure skill the guy is going to bring for a second, just think about the attitude change that offense is going to undergo. I am not a Lee hater, but just think about going from looking to Tyson Lee in the huddle to looking up at Newton (who is getting ready to murder someone on an option play - and likely telling the huddle he is about to do so). Even if he turns out to be a little less than advertised, pairing him with Mullen still makes the possibilities endless. aGAIN, look at what he is doing with Lee and even Relf. I wish we could go ahead and get him on board so he can get in touch with some big WR recruits (Johnson/Sanders).

Biggest recruit in the last 20 years? I think so. Given the position he plays, his size, speed, athleticism, arm, attitude, experience, familiarity with the playbook...I don't see how there could have been a bigger recruit.
 
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AzzurriDawg4

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I almost cringe every time I want to type something about this guy. I don't think I have ever been so wrapped up in a player that hasn't even committed yet. Honestly, we can't say **** about the Schaeffer obsession anymore, because we are right there with the Rebels in our lust for Newton.

BUT, FWIW, Rosebowl said in his Bones that the KSU coaches fully expect State to get Cam. Consider this with the UT insider saying the same thing basically.

Just keeping the rumor mill updated.

I will say this, after watching that Blinn video that was posted the other day, my wool is damn near out of control. Forget the pure skill the guy is going to bring for a second, just think about the attitude change that offense is going to undergo. I am not a Lee hater, but just think about going from looking to Tyson Lee in the huddle to looking up at Newton (who is getting ready to murder someone on an option play - and likely telling the huddle he is about to do so). Even if he turns out to be a little less than advertised, pairing him with Mullen still makes the possibilities endless. aGAIN, look at what he is doing with Lee and even Relf. I wish we could go ahead and get him on board so he can get in touch with some big WR recruits (Johnson/Sanders).

Biggest recruit in the last 20 years? I think so. Given the position he plays, his size, speed, athleticism, arm, attitude, experience, familiarity with the playbook...I don't see how there could have been a bigger recruit.
 
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I cannot see him at UT. Newton is not a pure drop back passer. Kiffen ran off a QB that was the same style as Newton.
 
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is that we have (from all early indications) a competent coach whose expertise is offense, especially running QBs. cam newton will be in a MUCH different situation when he arrives on campus than schaeffer was, much more conducive to success.

schaeffer could've done better in oxford with different coaches/offensive gameplanning. much like omarr conner could've done better in starkville with the same. i don't expect the same problem with newton at msu.
 
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"Even before Dan Mullen arrived at Mississippi State, the Bulldogs were on Cameron Newton's mind.

As a five-star recruit coming out of Westlake High School in Atlanta in 2007, Newton had MSU among his top three schools before ultimately choosing Florida.

Now at Blinn College in Texas, Newton once again has the Bulldogs among his leaders and has a chance to reunite with his former offensive coordinator with the Gators."

This was taken off the Rivals page. If he even opened a letter from us back then I would be impressed. Also, it listed the offers and UT was not one of them. I do not know if this is accurate.
 
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He will need to have a desire to compete with top talent at his position.

If he is not willing to compete, then I wish him the best of luck elsewhere.

Getting Newton should be a win/win, as he should help us immediately and help us in the long run by giving Russell some competition during the spring/summer and fall practice
 
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I wouldn't say they want or need him as bad as we do, however I believe he is interested in playing for a big time program. I still think he ends up there (UT).
 
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the sports gods say we are not allowed to have a premier player riding the pine behind another premier player

also its patience not patients (doctors have patients)
 
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....after the whole Brent Schaeffer thing. And I really don't want us to run Tyler off, because I think he is going to be a great player one day. One thing about this offense is that it requires the quarterback to be a leader and make decisions. Newton is a thief, and so I have my doubts about his decision making capability in the heat of the moment. I still want him, but I am not going to slit my wrists if we don't get him for those reasons.
 
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He seems to be a stand-up kid.

Of note, Mikhail Miller from IAHS looks to be a decent QB prospect in 2011. Hopefully we can finally start building some depth there.
 
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maroonmania

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just remember that we are MState and if he IS planning to commit to us then there is probably a reasonable chance he will sustain a serious injury before his JUCO season is concluded. I will get excited about him once he signs and arrives healthy. By the way, would Newton be a mid-term signee that could participate in spring practice?? Certainly would be nice to have 2 talented options at QB (Newton and Russell). To me, I don't believe Relf will ever be the answer because he just doesn't have enough "game awareness" to be a full time starting SEC QB.
 
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schaeffer could've done better in oxford with different coaches/offensive gameplanning. much like omarr conner could've done better in starkville with the same. i don't expect the same problem with newton at msu.
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I completely agree with this statement. I think Schaeffer could have been very effective in a spread-option offense.

Fortunately, none of us have to go jumping off a bridge if we don't get him. We do have Russell. The importance of that can't be understated.

However, the acquisition of Newton would be HUGE for Mullen's rebuilding of this program. It would take it from a 3-year job to a 1-year job. I am sorry, but I would not be expecting big things from us next year with Russell at QB. I think he is going to be GREAT, but he would still be a freshman, 1st time starter in the SEC. Maybe we could go bowling, but we wouldn't be running anyone off the field (especially without Dixon to take some of the pressure off). Newton gives us a chance to win NOW, get recruits faster and give Russell time to develop. There are so many positives.
 
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DowntownDawg

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...I have seen enough of Dan to know he can coach up a quarterback. We have our whole O-line back minus Jenkins. We have everybody at WR back minus McRae. We lose our backfield, which is a big concern. Defensively, our secondary is basically back, and we lose Chaney, Burns, and Love. Most importantly, our schedule turns around. We should win 6 of the 7 games we have at home and can maybe get 1 on the road.

Maybe Newton makes us an 8 or 9 win team. That seems like a big leap at this point.
 
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system for 2 years. He will know the terminology from Day 1, which will be a big plus. Should he sign with us, I would argue that in 1 year of Mullen ball, we will have the best quarterback situation we have ever had at MState. I know that's not saying a whole lot, obviously, but for the first time in our history, that position should be one of the biggest strengths of the whole team.
 
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he'd put russell in there the first game and mysteriously he'd be injured for the rest of the season and get a med RS.

Then bam, we'd have newton for 2 yrs and Russell for 3.
 
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AzzurriDawg4

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We will have UAB, at Houston, Memphis and some D2 team. A bowl is no sure thing next year. Especially without knowing how our running game will rebound.

6 of the 7 games at home?

We will have UGA, Auburn, Kentucky and Arkansas at home. You think we win 3 of those? Maybe we will, but I am not marking those down as W's yet (except for UK).
 
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those games are likely losses anyway.

And UGA is hurting. They will be searching for a qb and a defense. I think that game is very winnable.
 
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because I've been a State fan long enough to know that a knee or an arrest will probably be in the future if we do sign him.
 
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Dude, we just signed what appears to be a really talented QB. A guy Alabama wanted. Biggest recruit of the last 20 years? Are you serious?
 
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Look, I love Russell, I saw him play in HS. I know what he brings to the table. I think he is going to be awesome for us, just not next year.

You are ignoring the circumstances. The familiarity with the offense, experience, dual-threat, talent, that he is a QB, good young receivers, a developing OL, a questionable running back situation (that he can offset with his running and passing)...everything that makes it so key. Yes, I am serious. Name a bigger recruit. Jerious? I didn't say the most talented recruit. J-Rock never went to a bowl game. He was not a program changer. In my opinion, he was the best player to ever put on the maroon and white, but given the situation he was in it didnt matter.

If you think we need a 5* CB/DL/WR over Newton...you are out of touch.
 
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...for all of our irrational fear of Arkansas, Petrino has done a terrible job there. He is something like 3-10 in the conference at this point. Auburn will be down. UGA will be down. Kentucky at home is a win under Mullen. I don't think 3 is a stretch at all. And I think we sneak up on somebody on the road like Florida or LSU. Florida will lose everybody, and LSU is still a mystery. Next year is going to be good.
 
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at least according to my Tennessee friend/customer/fan. Told me yesterday that Kiffin realized he was wasting his time trying to sway Cam to Knoxville. He's headed to Starkvegas. Kiffin is after another QB target now. Of course, this could be pure BS. The interesting thing is he told me this without any prodding from me. This customer's corporate office is in Knoxville. I don't know how connected or "in the know" he is with their football program but it seems to be common knowledge around there that Newton will be wearing maroon and white next year.
 
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but they're not the same thing to me, and here's why.

Newton is familiar w/ Mullen's system, that cost Schaffer IMO, especially after Schaffer missed the fall practices.
Newton should be able to rely on athleticism in our system.
Hopefully he'll get here in the summer at the latest.
 
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Griffdawg

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I agree that landing Newton would shorten the rebuilding job down to 1 year. I would expect us to make a minor bowl next year and have a legit shot at a much better bowl in 2011. I hope that most rational people on here understand that if Newton is our QB THIS year, we are probably sitting at 5-3 right now (or better) instead of 3-5. I also don't understand the fascination with Russell transferring somewhere else if we land Newton. Heck, getting Newton should help T. Russell, not hurt him. This will allow Russell to develop and learn at a normal pace instead of being thrown in the fire with nobody behind him on the depth chart. Guys, this is how an SEC team is supposed to be built. We are late getting on the bus but at least we are finally getting on it. Good times are right around the corner. We are going to be relevant again in the west very soon. Enjoy the ride.
 
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