Its not like he has tons of competition after newton is gone, and he still would have two years.
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So then what about Eric Moulds? Madkin? Dixon for crying out loud? Without AD we would be 1-11 this year and 0-12 last year.
I just don't buy you telling me that situationally, our biggest recruit of the last 20 years will be a juco transfer (who's already quit or been kicked off of one team) at a position where we already have some good young talent, when on THIS team we have critical positions without a single SEC player on the roster. I don't care how good of a QB he is, if he doesn't have protection he will struggle.
And of all the positions to criticize, you pick RB? Montrell Conner will fill Dixon's role (not as well, but he's a highly touted RB and he's had a year to work), and with Bumphis/Heavens/that other fast dude running the wildcat/slot receiver/slotback thing we'll be fine. I don't expect anything out of Elliot.
I just don't buy you telling me that situationally, our biggest recruit of the last 20 years will be a juco transfer (who's already quit or been kicked off of one team) at a position where we already have some good young talent, when on THIS team we have critical positions without a single SEC player on the roster. I don't care how good of a QB he is, if he doesn't have protection he will struggle.
And of all the positions to criticize, you pick RB? Montrell Conner will fill Dixon's role (not as well, but he's a highly touted RB and he's had a year to work), and with Bumphis/Heavens/that other fast dude running the wildcat/slot receiver/slotback thing we'll be fine. I don't expect anything out of Elliot.
Damn, people. For years, its always been about the next guy on the roster. Jordan, Wyatt, Fant, Russell.
Russell hasn't played a down yet. But we've skipped him and now we're pinning everything on a guy who hasn't hasn't signed or committed.
Have some faith. Mullen turned us into a mediocre team with Tyson "walkon" Lee. WTF is he going to do with Russell? Put him in the heisman discussion during his sophomore year? Put us in the cotton bowl, or a game away form the SECCG?
Give Russell a chance.
Russell hasn't played a down yet. But we've skipped him and now we're pinning everything on a guy who hasn't hasn't signed or committed.
Have some faith. Mullen turned us into a mediocre team with Tyson "walkon" Lee. WTF is he going to do with Russell? Put him in the heisman discussion during his sophomore year? Put us in the cotton bowl, or a game away form the SECCG?
Give Russell a chance.
but I'm not conceding the LSU game because I believe the Tigers slip a little every year under Miles. Even with the Croomster we only lost by 10 or so in BR last year and this year we were a few inches from likely beating them. Next year might be the year we finally break through against them.
the more talent on this team (especially at QB), the better. I look forward to Tyler leading this team when he's ready to do so. That may be next year, the year after, or during his junior year. I'm certainly not skipping him or discounting his abilities. That being said, it is not very often that a freshman (even a redshirt freshman) makes a positive impact at the quarterback position in this league. Either way, bringing in a legit JUCO qb only helps us on get on the winning track faster which helps recruiting, etc. It will give us options and depth at that position which we haven't had in forever. I can tell you this. Mullen will not recruit a Henig or Lee type of qb. Those days are over. He will get us SEC quality quarterbacks in here. That's just what he does.
For years our fanbase has accepted the mantra that "MSU couldn't recruit a quality QB". That's BS, people. There is no ancient Indian burial ground at DW. We have struggled because our program has had no leadership from the AD position (or President) for decades. With the exception of Jackie who was hired by Dr. Z, not LT, this leadership void caused the hiring of lackluster coaches and then a losing mentality to form within the fanbase. If our University President and Athletic Director are truly committed to winning, then we will get there. That's why I am so "wooly" about our future in athletics. We have those key elements in place now. It makes all the difference in the world. Sorry for the ramblings.
For years our fanbase has accepted the mantra that "MSU couldn't recruit a quality QB". That's BS, people. There is no ancient Indian burial ground at DW. We have struggled because our program has had no leadership from the AD position (or President) for decades. With the exception of Jackie who was hired by Dr. Z, not LT, this leadership void caused the hiring of lackluster coaches and then a losing mentality to form within the fanbase. If our University President and Athletic Director are truly committed to winning, then we will get there. That's why I am so "wooly" about our future in athletics. We have those key elements in place now. It makes all the difference in the world. Sorry for the ramblings.
what a lot of people don't understand- likely because we have royally <17> this up since Don Smith was here- is that the QB is the most important position on the field. THE MOST important position on the field. You take a 5 star QB over a 5 star anything if you can. Especially one with with SEC experience, and a guy that was able to play for Florida, and especially one that is 6'6" 250, can run a 4.45, and has a rocket launcher for an arm.
I agree with you that Russell will be very good. BUT we need to let him develop. Why not let him be the back-up for two years and then let him start as a junior and senior? That is how it is done pretty much everywhere else for the most part. I don't know why State fans expect some freshman to be the "real deal" and start in the SEC immediately. The SEC is 100x more difficult than anything that a QB would face in HS, not to mention more complex plays, reads, and the faster pace of the game. It takes time to adjust.
Getting Newton would likely give us a great chance at going to a bowl next year, and Russell/Relf would probably get us at least one less win just because of their inexperience.
The Brent Scheaffer situtation is apples and oranges here. We have a good coach who knows how to develop QB's, and we have an offense that will fit his talents. I think Newton is more talented than Scheaffer anyway. Remember- Brent was beat out by Erick Ainge and transferred, Newton was kicked off.
Here's why Newton would be better than a DB or WR-
1. He's going to make the o-line, which is not going to be filled with world beaters better because of his size, the fact that he can move in the pocket, and the fact that he can scramble.
2. He's going to make the WR better. How good would O'Neal Wilder be if Lee could get him the ball where it was over his head and he could run under it and catch it and use his speed? Same thing with Marcus Green and Leon Berry. Lee can't make those throws. Having those guys as deep threats are going to open up things for Chad Bumphis on screens and short passes.
3. Having that deep threat is going to make our running game better. Also the fact that Newton can actually read on the option is going to make us more efficient.
4. We should score more and be able to drive the ball allowing the defense to rest, making the defense better.
Do I need to go on?
I agree with you that Russell will be very good. BUT we need to let him develop. Why not let him be the back-up for two years and then let him start as a junior and senior? That is how it is done pretty much everywhere else for the most part. I don't know why State fans expect some freshman to be the "real deal" and start in the SEC immediately. The SEC is 100x more difficult than anything that a QB would face in HS, not to mention more complex plays, reads, and the faster pace of the game. It takes time to adjust.
Getting Newton would likely give us a great chance at going to a bowl next year, and Russell/Relf would probably get us at least one less win just because of their inexperience.
The Brent Scheaffer situtation is apples and oranges here. We have a good coach who knows how to develop QB's, and we have an offense that will fit his talents. I think Newton is more talented than Scheaffer anyway. Remember- Brent was beat out by Erick Ainge and transferred, Newton was kicked off.
Here's why Newton would be better than a DB or WR-
1. He's going to make the o-line, which is not going to be filled with world beaters better because of his size, the fact that he can move in the pocket, and the fact that he can scramble.
2. He's going to make the WR better. How good would O'Neal Wilder be if Lee could get him the ball where it was over his head and he could run under it and catch it and use his speed? Same thing with Marcus Green and Leon Berry. Lee can't make those throws. Having those guys as deep threats are going to open up things for Chad Bumphis on screens and short passes.
3. Having that deep threat is going to make our running game better. Also the fact that Newton can actually read on the option is going to make us more efficient.
4. We should score more and be able to drive the ball allowing the defense to rest, making the defense better.
Do I need to go on?
Tyler Russell is definitely the answer to our QB situation, but you have to know that bringing in Newton would be clutch. Most every great QB in football has a year or two minimum to learn the system and be successful in it. I think Russell realizes that and he can learn a lot more next year from Newton. He needs to improve on his ground game to be successful in Mullen's system.
It would have been hard for him to have any success at all his first year no matter who the coach was and no matter what system they ran since he didn't even bother to get to campus until a couple of weeks before the first game. I've seen people make excuses for him pretty much ever since his first year, and the further we get from the time he played, I'm seeing more of it. But the simple fact is, and always has been, Brent Schaeffer was a <17>up. He made consistently bad decisions and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn throwing the ball (he did have a strong arm though).
and if we don't get Newton I'm certainly willing to roll the dice on seeing how we do with Russell starting as a redshirt freshman. But name me the last team that had a freshman QB from MS starting that did really well in the SEC. Mississippi QBs, even when very talented, don't normally come out of the MS HS system with the training to deal with SEC defenses. Heck, look how long it took Jason Campbell to get going at Auburn and he was thought every bit as highly of as Russell (though he did play in a smaller class ball). This time last year people thought Chris Garrett was all that and he can't even smell the depth chart at LSU even after enrolling early. Maybe a guy out of states like Texas, Florida or Georgia can handle it but not many from MS. If we did get Newton you would have 2 potential stud QBs spaced 2 years apart. That is the way you are SUPPOSE to do it. Its just that we are so used to being QB deprived at MSU that we've never had the opportunity to do it the right way. Whether its Don Smith, Todd Jordan or Kevin Fant, at MSU we always seem to be ready to throw out the SR QB and play the touted Fr from MS and then we are surprised when they are not world beaters starting out. Heck, the upper half of the league sign guys like Russell at LEAST every other year if not often in back to back years as just routine policy. And on top of that whoever the backup QB is, he's always only one play and an injury away from becoming the starter.
very nice post Todd. not only is the QB the most important on the field, but also a premier QB coming in is a huge recruiting tool (ask ole miss and last years MSU recruiting class). it amazes me that we have any receivers at all considering our lack of qbs in recent years.... i mean EVER.
great reference and great point. Let him learn and compete next year. He won't have to be thrown into the fire in a schedule that is just as bad as this years. The largest part of what is being forgotten by everyone here is that if Russell does pan out to be "that damn good" next year, he'll star over Newton anyway. If not, we have the best option in Newton. Why do we get so up in arms about having options?Foronce said:
This really isn't true if you look at the big programs. Some examples that I can come up with off the top of my head:Todd4State said:
Texas:
Chris Simms for three years, followed by Vince Young for 3 years (left early or would have been 4), followed by Colt McCoy for four years.
Florida:
Chris Leak for four years, followed by Tim Tebow for 3 years.
USC:
Carson Palmer for 3 or 4 years (don't remember which), followed by Matt Leinart for 3 years. They then diverted to John David Booty and Mark Sanchez for shorter times, but then picked the freshman Matt Barkley this fall, presumably for 3 or 4 years.
Georgia:
David Green for 4 years, 1 year diversion known as DJ Shockley, 3 years of Matt Stafford.
Alabama:
3 or 4 (can't remember which) of Brodie Croyle, followed by 3 years of John Parker Wilson.
The point I'm trying to make is that big time programs go for continuity over several seasons. I'm not even trying to address the issue of Newton/Russell, but this thought process that at all the big programs they sit guys for the majority of their career before they play is not necessarily true. There are also lots of instances where coaches try to go with the experienced guy to replace the departing QB and it just doesn't work. He ends up switching to the young guy (see LSU with Hatch/Lee/Jefferson for an example, or Georgia right before they went with Stafford when they tried to play Joe T 3).
from everything I can find from Mullen and Co. on recruiting other HS QBs
from dylan farve
They are wanting to sign two qbs and it was coming down to a juco and three high school qbs
from eddie sullivan
He (mullen) said they were recruiting four qbs and he was going to offer two of those four
from my research I see we have offered 6 so far
Nash Nance - Vandy
Brandon Doughty - medium interest
Devin Burns - maryland
Barry Brunetti - west virginia
Terrance Broadway - houston
Cam Newton -
Doughty and Newton are the only ones that haven't committed somewhere. We need depth at QB, you can not let Relf back up a RS FR in this league.
I hope we sign 2, but I have no clue who it would be. I hope 1 is cam and another is a work in progress that RS's
from dylan farve
They are wanting to sign two qbs and it was coming down to a juco and three high school qbs
from eddie sullivan
He (mullen) said they were recruiting four qbs and he was going to offer two of those four
from my research I see we have offered 6 so far
Nash Nance - Vandy
Brandon Doughty - medium interest
Devin Burns - maryland
Barry Brunetti - west virginia
Terrance Broadway - houston
Cam Newton -
Doughty and Newton are the only ones that haven't committed somewhere. We need depth at QB, you can not let Relf back up a RS FR in this league.
I hope we sign 2, but I have no clue who it would be. I hope 1 is cam and another is a work in progress that RS's
Ditto what you and Azzurri said.
What I think people fail to realize is that it is extremely rare for a team to ever have a QB, that wasn't on the prior year's roster, be able to step in from Day 1 and make an immediate impact. In addition to the freak physical attributes that Newton possesses, he has the intangibles (december grad, familiarity with SEC, Mullen, and our system, etc.) that make him a dream recruit for us. QBs are always investments that typically take a couple of seasons to see any returns. The wait and see time is drastically reduced with this guy. He is the difference between next year being a rebuilding type year and being a bowl team.
The only possible negative with Newton is the laptop theft. But, somebody explain to me how that relates to whether he'll make a good QB or not. Yeah, it hints at questionable character, but that's the only blemish on his profile. Let him learn from it. For those of you that twist that into thinking he's a terrible person or has no chance successfully running an offense, go find a Seminary football team to root for because I'd like to see a solid season or two at MSU in my lifetime.
What I think people fail to realize is that it is extremely rare for a team to ever have a QB, that wasn't on the prior year's roster, be able to step in from Day 1 and make an immediate impact. In addition to the freak physical attributes that Newton possesses, he has the intangibles (december grad, familiarity with SEC, Mullen, and our system, etc.) that make him a dream recruit for us. QBs are always investments that typically take a couple of seasons to see any returns. The wait and see time is drastically reduced with this guy. He is the difference between next year being a rebuilding type year and being a bowl team.
The only possible negative with Newton is the laptop theft. But, somebody explain to me how that relates to whether he'll make a good QB or not. Yeah, it hints at questionable character, but that's the only blemish on his profile. Let him learn from it. For those of you that twist that into thinking he's a terrible person or has no chance successfully running an offense, go find a Seminary football team to root for because I'd like to see a solid season or two at MSU in my lifetime.
....but like Shmuley, I think there is a good chance. Why does a kid like Tyler come to a terrible program? The answer? Early playing time. Having the opportunity to play a lot of snaps and to get in the mix early on. If he wanted to wait until he was a junior to have his chance, he would've gone to a better program like Bama. Is Newton worth Russell transferring? I don't know the answer to that. I wouldn't blame Russell for being pissed if Newton gets recruited and he has to ride the pine for another two years. From what I've seen Russell seems like a unique kid with alot of character, so maybe he gladly sits it out, but who knows at this point. It's a factor to me.
<17> yes, I don't see how you can think hes not. Haven't we already been down this road of character guy this, character guy that, give me some talent and let the supposed "character guy" show me his character and ride the bench.</p>
He took us from incredibly ****** to moderately ******? He got us a few big wins against Ole Miss and Florida? The game in Houston should tell you that Jerious could not overcome the state of the program all by himself. 17er ran for 250 yards and we still lost. I love Jerious, and he will always be one of my favorite bulldogs, but his accomplishments at MSU amount to 2 big wins, a boatload of stats, and some great memories of his skill on display. Sadly, that is the truth. He did not have an opportunity to be a program changer.
And you say we have "critical positions without a single SEC player on the roster." Ok. Lets take a look:
RB: you have already anointed Montrell Conner, so I will give you that one.
TE: Green
WR: Bumphis, Berry
OL: Sherrod, Brignone, maybe A. Lawrence, maybe T. Smith (though my hope is fading)
DL: McPhee, Cox, Boyd, Ferguson
LB: White, Wright
CB: Not looking that bad at the moment with Broomfield and Langston, Arkansas and Ole Miss will give us our answer there.
S: Mitchell and Banks.
That leaves QB. Russell. We hope.
How can you look at that and not see that an experienced QB is not all that we are lacking. CB, I understand, and I wouldn't mind landing a stud at CB, but to say that is more important than QB is ludicrous.
Whoever made the post about Mississippi QBs taking longer to develop also made a great point. If Russell comes on the field and makes the throws I saw him making against South Panola, you better close your eyes because it is going to get ugly. JCDawgman, I know you always come to Russell's defense, and I don't think anybody would be upset if he was able to take the reigns as a RFreshman and have a brilliant career, but can you not see that he is not Matt Barkley, or Mark Sanchez or David Greene, or any of the others you named? He may be one day, but he is not now. There is no greater evidence of that than the fact that he is sitting on the sidelines this season. I am extremely hopeful, if not confident, that Russell will be an excellent QB, but Newton is the guy we need next year.
And you say we have "critical positions without a single SEC player on the roster." Ok. Lets take a look:
RB: you have already anointed Montrell Conner, so I will give you that one.
TE: Green
WR: Bumphis, Berry
OL: Sherrod, Brignone, maybe A. Lawrence, maybe T. Smith (though my hope is fading)
DL: McPhee, Cox, Boyd, Ferguson
LB: White, Wright
CB: Not looking that bad at the moment with Broomfield and Langston, Arkansas and Ole Miss will give us our answer there.
S: Mitchell and Banks.
That leaves QB. Russell. We hope.
How can you look at that and not see that an experienced QB is not all that we are lacking. CB, I understand, and I wouldn't mind landing a stud at CB, but to say that is more important than QB is ludicrous.
Whoever made the post about Mississippi QBs taking longer to develop also made a great point. If Russell comes on the field and makes the throws I saw him making against South Panola, you better close your eyes because it is going to get ugly. JCDawgman, I know you always come to Russell's defense, and I don't think anybody would be upset if he was able to take the reigns as a RFreshman and have a brilliant career, but can you not see that he is not Matt Barkley, or Mark Sanchez or David Greene, or any of the others you named? He may be one day, but he is not now. There is no greater evidence of that than the fact that he is sitting on the sidelines this season. I am extremely hopeful, if not confident, that Russell will be an excellent QB, but Newton is the guy we need next year.
..and the body of work on both is not enough to give us anything. Newton looks great in JUCO, so have many other players that never did anything at the collegiate level.
Russell will get his chance. He will have the chance to beat Newton in spring ball. Plus, if Newton is this AMAZING talent that everyone makes him out to be, he will go to the NFL after next season anyways, leaving us with Russell as our starter as a soph for 2011 and beyond.
Reason being is that I know Tyler and I will not deny that leads to some bias on my part. The point I was trying to make is that the concept of guys sitting and developing for 3 or 4 years at other places is incorrect. It doesn't happen that way most of the time. That was my point, and nothing more. I wasn't trying to compare Tyler to any of them or anything like that. It was about this concept in general and the fact that it really isn't true.AzzurriDawg4 said:
they haven't beaten a ranked team this year so their record is smoke and mirrors. They are one foot and one awful penalty away from being 5-3. They are 106th in total offense. The only slightly impressive thing they have done is beat Washington.
Look at it this way. Most team used to fear LSU. There is no reason to now.
Look at it this way. Most team used to fear LSU. There is no reason to now.
and look for Crowton to be shown the door at year's end...
LSU has slipped slightly, but who in the hell can be as good as they were for more than 5 years? Fla is on an incredible run, but that pace is damn hard to maintain...LSU and Bammer are going to play a very good, close game in 9 days- deciding the West...looking forward to seeing it
When you are 6-1....bout to be 7-1 and ranked 9th in the nation- and people say you are slipping- that shows just how damn good you were...that doesnt happen often
LSU has slipped slightly, but who in the hell can be as good as they were for more than 5 years? Fla is on an incredible run, but that pace is damn hard to maintain...LSU and Bammer are going to play a very good, close game in 9 days- deciding the West...looking forward to seeing it
When you are 6-1....bout to be 7-1 and ranked 9th in the nation- and people say you are slipping- that shows just how damn good you were...that doesnt happen often
simply b/c Bama's conservative offense and Saban's defense and special teams philosophy make a lot of his games close.
LSU is slipping under Miles. Its just seems really clear to everyone I talk to. The defense is nothing like the kind they used to field that could dominate the game. Hasn't been for a while.
That's nice that Miles backed into the nat'l title game with 2 losses and beat a Big 10 team, but that's doesn't erase my thoughts that he is overseeing a downward trend.
LSU is slipping under Miles. Its just seems really clear to everyone I talk to. The defense is nothing like the kind they used to field that could dominate the game. Hasn't been for a while.
That's nice that Miles backed into the nat'l title game with 2 losses and beat a Big 10 team, but that's doesn't erase my thoughts that he is overseeing a downward trend.
a few years ago (including their NC year) but we've played them pretty evenly the last 2 years. Yea, they are 6-1 but they lucked out against Ga and us and really haven't beaten anyone of note this year yet (Auburn is a shell of what they were to start the year and we played FL as good a game as LSU did). I didn't say or even intend to imply they had gone to pot, obviously they are still a good team, but I would NOT write off our chance to beat them next year. However, on the other hand, Bama still hasn't lost a regular season game since 2007.
You're getting closer with your 2nd statement. Madkin was one of the better QBs at a school that has never had a great QB. Madkin played with a dominating defense, a strong OL, and a powerful running game. Sure he made some plays for us and did some things to help us win. But the team wasn't built around him. He was just a decent QB on a good football team.lawdawg02 said:
Do you think a Madkin would start at UF, Bama, Tennessee, LSU?.I don't.
you found, what, five programs that can throw a true Fr. out there and have it work? All of those programs are national super powers that can recruit freak show athletes and can get the one QB in the whole country that can come in right away- and bear in mind surrounded by other freak show athletes, which the Florida's, Texas's, and USC's of the world are able to get. And many of the guys you mentioned redshirted or were back ups and started their So. year, or struggled like Chris Leak and Matthew Stafford did as Fr. That's exactly what I'm saying we need to do. Very few of those schools threw those guys out there expecting them to produce. Heck, Jesus Tebow was a role player his true Fr. year.
Unless you are able to land a Peyton Manning, which is a once in a lifetime kind of thing for even superpower schools, and Manning didn't even start at the very beginning of the year, and only got to start because we knocked Todd Helton out.
People keep talking about Barkley, but he has struggled at times at USC. Bear in mind USC also happens to be in one of the best places in the country to develop HS QB's as well, with a ton of population to choose from- California. USC also has a good enough o-line and RB's like Joe McKnight that can cover Barkley as well.
If I may show a little envy here, I think Ole Miss did it right with Eli. RS his freshman year, back-up his RS Fr. year, and then start as a So. It just so happens that with Newton and Russell, that Russell wouldn't start until his junior year because of how their eligibility falls.
Unless you are able to land a Peyton Manning, which is a once in a lifetime kind of thing for even superpower schools, and Manning didn't even start at the very beginning of the year, and only got to start because we knocked Todd Helton out.
People keep talking about Barkley, but he has struggled at times at USC. Bear in mind USC also happens to be in one of the best places in the country to develop HS QB's as well, with a ton of population to choose from- California. USC also has a good enough o-line and RB's like Joe McKnight that can cover Barkley as well.
If I may show a little envy here, I think Ole Miss did it right with Eli. RS his freshman year, back-up his RS Fr. year, and then start as a So. It just so happens that with Newton and Russell, that Russell wouldn't start until his junior year because of how their eligibility falls.
is also hurt by McElroy. He is still learning how to QB in the SEC. I think he will be good in time, but it's hard to use Julio Jones when your QB is struggling. They're riding Ingram and their defense for all they can.
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I have been reading this board since around August and it is absolutely awesome, however I just started posting in the last few days. Everyone keeps talking ab out Newton and Russell, well I say let them work it ut on the field. I personally do not care who plays, who rides the bench for however long, who transfers because their feelings are hurt because they expect the red carpet rolled out for them. None of us know for a fact who will be better than who. Newton may come here and get his *** ate up by our D-backs in practice and Russell may make it rain out there. Practice is not a true representation of what will happen in a game and the last time I checked Russell has not taken a snap in a real live College game. He may be great but he may not. Newton may be built like a God but may be dumb as a stump but we wont know till he is here. The people that say Russell does not fit Mullen's plan are making assumptions. He does not have to be Mike Vick to run the ball as a QB. Hell, Lee cant run that great and Relf is not fantastic. I would be willing to bet my paycheck on the fact that Russell can run as good as both of them guys. Hell he should be better than Lee because he can see if he needs to run or not wihout having to roll out ot be able to see downfield. Newton looks like a beast on those videos but those guys are not SEC. I know he trucked a VOL in a game but everyone gets lucky once in a while. We need to be careful to not make this guy out to be a god and then set ourselves up for a letdown. Dylan Favre would be a nice recruit because he does have a cannon, but I have seen him play and he is not that big. We all pick on midget, well............... He may be another one.
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I understand that and I am aware of that but I just think we need to not make any assumptions on either of these guys. He would be a great addition to the team but until I see some deep bombs and some points and wins im not gonna give anybody their due. Just my thoughts. Have any of you guys checked out Carmon and Ballard highlights? I live about 10 minutes from MGCCC and I have seen them play and the are impressive. Carmon needs some coaching bad though. He stands straight up when the ball snaps. I spoke to him at a high school game this season and I told him he needed to come to state. That was before bolden committed too. with coaching this guy could be a maniac. He needs to slim up some too, turn some flab into some muscle.
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