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Duke1783

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Looking ahead to next season I know we are handing the keys over to Duval but of the three freshman (Duval Trent Carter) who will make the biggest impact? Im also wondering if Carter has the abity to be an a beast down low for us.
 

timo0402

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Looking ahead to next season I know we are handing the keys over to Duval but of the three freshman (Duval Trent Carter) who will make the biggest impact? Im also wondering if Carter has the abity to be an a beast down low for us.
It has to be Duval in my opinion. College hoops is a PG game. We need him to be the playmaker he has the capability of being and everything else should fall into place. We've got the scorers on the wings and the presence down low.
 
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dukephysics

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When I watch their highlights, in Trent I see a guy that does a lot of the same things Grayson does. In Carter I see some combo of Javin/Bolden. NO ONE on our team does what Duval does. For that reason, I would go with him.
In order from most to least impressed, for me, it's Duval, Trent, Carter.
And yes, I think Carter is going to be a beast.
 

timo0402

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In Carter I see some combo of Javin/Bolden.
I don't get that at all? We literally have very little knowledge of what either can be this far, especially Javin. Is he just a sick athlete that can defend and grab boards? Can he grab boards? How is he on defense? Can he shoot a lick? Etc.

Carter is very skilled, and highly skilled bigs work well for Duke. It'll be interesting to see how he and Bolden play together bc Carter can step out and face up, Bolden is pure back to the basket.
 

dukephysics

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I don't get that at all? We literally have very little knowledge of what either can be this far, especially Javin. Is he just a sick athlete that can defend and grab boards? Can he grab boards? How is he on defense? Can he shoot a lick? Etc.

Carter is very skilled, and highly skilled bigs work well for Duke. It'll be interesting to see how he and Bolden play together bc Carter can step out and face up, Bolden is pure back to the basket.
You aren't wrong. Carter brings shooting that neither Javin nor Bolden has shown. I guess what I meant here is Javin will give us defensive flexibility (I think he can defend multiple positions similar to say Amile) and some athleticism. Bolden gives us a big body inside. Carter is all that. *(plus what you've said). My point was that we GAIN much more by adding Duval than we do adding Carter. Perhaps you disagree.
 

timo0402

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You aren't wrong. Carter brings shooting that neither Javin nor Bolden has shown. I guess what I meant here is Javin will give us defensive flexibility (I think he can defend multiple positions similar to say Amile) and some athleticism. Bolden gives us a big body inside. Carter is all that. *(plus what you've said). My point was that we GAIN much more by adding Duval than we do adding Carter. Perhaps you disagree.
Gotcha I guess I thought you were saying Carter was a combo of Javin and Bolden in the type of player he is.

No I agree 1000% it's Duval. It's a PG game, we needed one in the worst way and got arguably the best in the class.
 

dukephysics

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It just occurred to me that our freshmen are probably a top 25 team by themselves. The returning guys are one guard away from being the same. The question is how good will they be combined? I think the roles will be easier to define this season.
I believe we struggled the most last year when we couldn't handle pressure from other guards and when we played poorly on defense. This team looks to be better equipped for both.
 
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dukephysics

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I fairness, we knew perimeter defense would be a challenge. We hoped a healthy Giles and Bolden would provide some defense inside (to pair with Amile who should have been able to defend the 4 spot). Instead we had to again play Amile at the 5 and Tatum on the 4. But yes, it absolutely has to be better this year.
 
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Laettner15

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Maybe it's the heat that jersey has gotten the past couple days getting to me..... maybe it's me just wanting this to happen... I'm probably dead wrong but I see the team this year going 8 players playing double digit minutes (Duval, Allen, Trent jr, carter, bolden, jav, Tucker, vrank, with 2 getting spot minutes (Jordan and jack)... I'm probably way off and wrong but I have a feeling with this year.
 

timo0402

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Maybe it's the heat that jersey has gotten the past couple days getting to me..... maybe it's me just wanting this to happen... I'm probably dead wrong but I see the team this year going 8 players playing double digit minutes (Duval, Allen, Trent jr, carter, bolden, jav, Tucker, vrank, with 2 getting spot minutes (Jordan and jack)... I'm probably way off and wrong but I have a feeling with this year.
K said he wanted to go deeper. And in fairness it's usually 7 guys he plays but hopefully it is 8, which can sometimes be enough.
 

Laettner15

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K said he wanted to go deeper. And in fairness it's usually 7 guys he plays but hopefully it is 8, which can sometimes be enough.

It was in 2015....

I just feel in 2016 with amile getting hurt and last year's Injuries... not developing a bench hurt. I think the staff plays more of the bench. As mentioned in other posts, I like the makeup of the team... I think this team has players that will carve out roles and buy into them.

The big thing is going to be defense this year in my opinion.. as you guys stated no layup lines this year.
 
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christophero

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Looking ahead to next season I know we are handing the keys over to Duval but of the three freshman (Duval Trent Carter) who will make the biggest impact? Im also wondering if Carter has the abity to be an a beast down low for us.
Definitely Duval, which come to think of it would make a good name for a sitcom. :)
 
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Stevo-910

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It was in 2015....

I just feel in 2016 with amile getting hurt and last year's Injuries... not developing a bench hurt. I think the staff plays more of the bench. As mentioned in other posts, I like the makeup of the team... I think this team has players that will carve out roles and buy into them.

The big thing is going to be defense this year in my opinion.. as you guys stated no layup lines this year.

for sure what did kennard and tatum avg 35-36 mins a game? way to many minutes especially come tourney time.
 

DukeDenver

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It was in 2015....

I just feel in 2016 with amile getting hurt and last year's Injuries... not developing a bench hurt. I think the staff plays more of the bench. As mentioned in other posts, I like the makeup of the team... I think this team has players that will carve out roles and buy into them.

The big thing is going to be defense this year in my opinion.. as you guys stated no layup lines this year.
If I could sit down with Tucker, White, Javin, Bolden and OConnell for five minutes, I'd give them all a lecture about how their defensive effort and execution should be their focus right now. Practicing jumpshots, post moves and ball movement is fun, but that should only be 30% of their time IMO. Practicing proper defense is hard, and if they want to play long stretches, they need to figure out how to make life hard for the other team. I'm always surprised to see guys go through the motions on D when they are only getting 3-4 minutes of burn. I'd be up in my man's face like a thirsty horse fly for all 4 minutes just to wear out the other team.
 
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skysdad

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I don't care how good we are offensively but if we are chasing the other down the court on a fast break after one of our scores or watching their team drive to the basket for lay ups while we are watching them go by or watching the opposing team perform put back slam dunks while we are standing there beside them then it makes no difference how good we are offensively. We've had that problem the last couple of years however I do believe that it will addressed this year and those issues will change. OFC
 

df64

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You have to have some depth to play good D. No depth and the starters are too fatigued and or cant afford fouls. Injuries had a lot to do with that poor D the last 2 years. Throw in the youth/inexperience and that was a bad recipe. As for this year, fortunately, Duval and Trent have reputations for really getting after it on D. If the 6-8 guys in the rotation can contribute, whoever they are, this team should be better on D. I don't think offense will be a problem.
 

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It just occurred to me that our freshmen are probably a top 25 team by themselves. The returning guys are one guard away from being the same. The question is how good will they be combined? I think the roles will be easier to define this season.
Believe next year will be special.We have great talent coming in and cannot believe we will ever have the same injury situation again
 
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The best offense is a good defense. Or maybe the best defense is a good offense. Please don't get defensive about my offensive post. Or get offensive about my defensive post. Someone please swat this post away to keep me from rambling. It's been a long week. :)
I take offense to your post.
 
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LongTimeDukeFan

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Maybe it's the heat that jersey has gotten the past couple days getting to me..... maybe it's me just wanting this to happen... I'm probably dead wrong but I see the team this year going 8 players playing double digit minutes (Duval, Allen, Trent jr, carter, bolden, jav, Tucker, vrank, with 2 getting spot minutes (Jordan and jack)... I'm probably way off and wrong but I have a feeling with this year.

K said he wanted to go deeper. And in fairness it's usually 7 guys he plays but hopefully it is 8, which can sometimes be enough.

I have seen Duke evolve over the last couple of years -- embracing OADs into the program, playing more zone. I have to agree, I think the next step is playing a deeper bench.

The issue is playing 7 guys was fine when you have all your players staying the whole 4 years at Duke. Now, there just isn't time to develop the players and these kids are in a grind. I am _really_ hoping to see that deeper bench this coming season -- I would hope that it improves team chemistry on the court and helps reduce fatigue and injury. Just my thoughts.
 
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christophero

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Platoon system. I'm joking. People lose their minds when I bring this up. :) But really I'd like to see 9 guys play. The 9th guy only has to play a few minutes, but it could keep him there if you know what I mean. But I'll settle for 8, which is better than 6. This year we may have the guys for 9. One can always hope. :)
 
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Tross282003

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I think we will have 6 guys playing starter minutes:

1. Duval
2. Allen
3. Trent jr.
4. Cater Jr
5. Bolden
6. Javin

White, Alex O and Tucker will be 7 -9 guys. Getting around 5 to 10 minutes a game. They are all kinda interchangeable. White could play stretch 4 in a pinch.
 
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timritterus

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I think both Vrank and Javin will play off the bench. Then I think one of Tucker, O'Connell, or White will sub in. And my likelihood would be in the order I listed them. I'm hoping for an 8 man rotation. I think Vrank will be important.
 
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jnastasi

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Big minutes
Duval
Allen
Bolden
Carter
Trent
Javin

Some minutes
Vrank
White

Few to none
Tucker
Alex O
Goldwire
 

Tross282003

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I agree. I do see Alex O and Tucker playing about 10 minutes a game. I am not sure how many minutes Vrank gets. He has three guys ahead of him. K will go with shooter instead of Vrank.

White and Alex O or Tucker will combine for 15 to 20 minutes a game.
 
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christophero

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I agree. I do see Alex O and Tucker playing about 10 minutes a game. I am not sure how many minutes Vrank gets. He has three guys ahead of him. K will go with shooter instead of Vrank.

White and Alex O or Tucker will combine for 15 to 20 minutes a game.
Vrank the tank will read this and is going to be flipping giant tires, running up enormous hills like Walter Payton and doing pull ups on rusty pipes like Mr. T. :)
 

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As thin as Duke is on the perimeter, I think Tucker gets a little time as the 8th guy. I don't think Alex O really sees the floor this year. That isn't a knock on him - his time will definitely come.
 
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Tross282003

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Vrank the tank will read this and is going to be flipping giant tires, running up enormous hills like Walter Payton and doing pull ups on rusty pipes like Mr. T. :)


Bolden and Jeter didn't play much last year. Vrank is a traditional center. Unless we get in foul trouble in this paint I don't see Vrank playing much. Javin 6'10, Carter Jr 6'10 and Bolden is 6'11. White would come in and play a wing and grab rebounds if the bigs got in foul trouble.

Nothing to do with Vrank it is just K style.
 
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timritterus

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Bolden has a lot to prove before he starts playing big minutes. Javin is 4, not big enough to be a 5. And honestly at this point I think Vrank has shown more than him, although I do expect him to make decent jump next year. Still, I think both will see around double digit minutes with Carter playing around 28 and Bolden around 25
 
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christophero

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Bolden has a lot to prove before he starts playing big minutes. Javin is 4, not big enough to be a 5. And honestly at this point I think Vrank has shown more than him, although I do expect him to make decent jump next year. Still, I think both will see around double digit minutes with Carter playing around 28 and Bolden around 25
Agreed. I'm assuming our bigs being so young will be in foul trouble a fair bit. But that allows Vrank and D to shine.
 

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I don't see a reason why Big V and Javin along with White, Tucker and O'Connell don't see time early on in the season.

Our front court will be young and need rest. The back court with the exception of Allen are freshman. Although talented if one fouls out or gets in early foul trouble someone has to come in for them
 
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skysdad

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The key to everything is staying healthy. This past season is living proof of that. Major injuries to key players took its toll and changed our whole season. We will never know just how good we could have been. It has to be in our favor just because of the odds to have a season of little or no injuries. I think just about every guy on the team had some short of minor or major injury last year. With all that I think we had a pretty good year. OFC
 
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LouisiAaron

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Yall are sleeping on Goldwire but that dude can play. He's a real point guard that knows how to distribute to his scorers. Just watch the highlights and how he made plays for his guys. I think he and Duval will and should handle all of the PG minutes