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donthateme
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It's usually a fifty percent chance of winning in overtime and that comes on the decision to say heads or tails
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donthateme
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It's usually a fifty percent chance of winning in overtime and that comes on the decision to say heads or tails
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donthateme
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It's usually a fifty percent chance of winning in overtime and that comes on the decision to say heads or tails
But what is the alternative? Simply play an additional quarter? The college solution sucks. It's tantamount to ending a tied basketball game by playing HORSE.
However, I have mainly done it just for arguments sake. But here is my simple reasoning:
The NFL system forces you to be a more complete team. In the college system, the only two parts of your team that are essential in overtime is Offense and Special Teams. You can have the best defense in the world, hold the other team to 0 yards from scrimmage and they still have a relatively easy 42 yard field goal attempt. This can lead to 7 overtime games (see Ole Miss v. AK) because you are eliminating 75% of the field right off the bat.
With the NFL's system, a random coin toss ensures that the team with the most well-rounded TEAM is most likely to win. If you have good special teams, even if you lose the toss, you should pin the other team around the 20. Then your defense should be good enough to stop their offense, force them to punt, and you have great field position to drive (now offense is involved) and kick a field goal to win it. The random coin toss (in theory) prevents teams from just amassing ridiculous offenses and not giving a **** about their defense.
And as a matter of fact, before tonight's game, the team which won the coin toss this season in the NFL was only 7-6 (now 8-6). This shows that winning the coin toss may not be as crucial as everyone thinks it is.
The NFL system forces you to be a more complete team. In the college system, the only two parts of your team that are essential in overtime is Offense and Special Teams. You can have the best defense in the world, hold the other team to 0 yards from scrimmage and they still have a relatively easy 42 yard field goal attempt. This can lead to 7 overtime games (see Ole Miss v. AK) because you are eliminating 75% of the field right off the bat.
With the NFL's system, a random coin toss ensures that the team with the most well-rounded TEAM is most likely to win. If you have good special teams, even if you lose the toss, you should pin the other team around the 20. Then your defense should be good enough to stop their offense, force them to punt, and you have great field position to drive (now offense is involved) and kick a field goal to win it. The random coin toss (in theory) prevents teams from just amassing ridiculous offenses and not giving a **** about their defense.
And as a matter of fact, before tonight's game, the team which won the coin toss this season in the NFL was only 7-6 (now 8-6). This shows that winning the coin toss may not be as crucial as everyone thinks it is.
I remember a game midway through this past season that went into OT they said its only about 48% for the team that wins the toss and only about 1/2 of those are on the actual first possession. So really its more like 75% of the time each team gets a possession before one scores.
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donthateme
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I say play a ten or fifteen minute quarter and if not settled by then then make it first to score wins
is that there's a good chance that the other team may not get a chance to prove it's more well-rounded. Like tonight- the Vikings didn't get a chance to touch the ball on offense in OT.
If it were me, I would make the NFL teams take the ball at the 35 or 40 instead of the 25 and go from there and do it like college otherwise.
I disagree about defense in college OT being a non-factor to. If your defense gets a turnover, or stops the other team, or holds them to a FG try, your defense then put your offense in a position where they know what they have to do to win. Your defense can also have a chance to bail your offense out if they screw up.
But that's just me.
If it were me, I would make the NFL teams take the ball at the 35 or 40 instead of the 25 and go from there and do it like college otherwise.
I disagree about defense in college OT being a non-factor to. If your defense gets a turnover, or stops the other team, or holds them to a FG try, your defense then put your offense in a position where they know what they have to do to win. Your defense can also have a chance to bail your offense out if they screw up.
But that's just me.
ESPN radio a couple of months ago. Before they moved the kickoffs back, it was50/50. I still don't like it though. I would do this. Leave it exactly like it is but makerequire that any FG to win in OT with over 5 mins. left in OT be from 50+ yds.
I would do the same thing in college. College OT sucks!!!!!!
I would do the same thing in college. College OT sucks!!!!!!
There was a total of 13 OT games this year. Only five of the games were won on the first drive by the team winning the toss.
I'm sure somebody could post a screenshot of the stats. I didn't DVR the game.
I'm sure somebody could post a screenshot of the stats. I didn't DVR the game.
Have a real kick off like they do in the NFL overtime, don't start from the 25 like college. When one team scores, they kick off to the other team who gets a chance to march the field and score or not. If they score, you go to 2 OT; if not, the game is over. At least both sides of both teams get a chance to prove themselves.
In regulation time.
The NFL OT rules are prefectly fine. If anything, they should move the kickoff back to the old spot.
Regardless, the stats show that the coin-toss does not determine the winner.
The NFL OT rules are prefectly fine. If anything, they should move the kickoff back to the old spot.
Regardless, the stats show that the coin-toss does not determine the winner.
I've agreed with this scenario for a loooong time. It gives both teams the same amount of OT possessions.
That would make it more interesting. In regular season, the team ahead at the end of the 15 minute overtime wins, in the playoffs, the first team to get 7 ahead wins the game.
the injury rate in NFL games is ridiculous. hardly a game goes by without somebody getting hurt. i think it pays to keep the OT as short as possible unless you want more star players on the IR.
Not only that, but they said that teams winning the toss were something like 7-6 in the playoffs. It's not quite the advantage you think it is. When a team wins on the first possession, it seems unfair, but the other team has the opportunity to force a 3 and out and come up with great field position. You don't have to let the other team score.
The goal of NFL overtime is to almost eliminate ties and keep the game from going on forever. It accomplishes both in its current format. Forcing a team to win by a certain amount would extend the game for too long, and simply making OT a 15 minute deal would lead to a lot more ties.
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That would be an interesting proposal, because it would either force a TD or 2 FGs. I could get behind that more than having to win by 6 or 7.
But for regular season games bring back the tie (this should be done for college games too). If you have to play overtime, play the college system but with a twist. Start at the 40 yard line, 2 point conversions required after the 2nd OT like college, and you can only attempt 2 field goals in all the overtime periods (huge strategic element here).
......the college system, except that instead of mandating the 2pt conversion after 2OT, the spot for the extra-pt keeps moving back every OT.
only knock i see is that it's just less exciting. who wants to see a game hinge on a 45yd extra pt? but if that's the way you feel, then how about the NFL system, except no field goals allowed?
only knock i see is that it's just less exciting. who wants to see a game hinge on a 45yd extra pt? but if that's the way you feel, then how about the NFL system, except no field goals allowed?
If getting the ball first is not an advantage, why has there only been 7 times in the history of the current NFL overtime system a team winning the coin toss elected to kick rather than receive. Obviously there is an advantage with getting first possession.
When the kickoff was at the 35, the receiving team won the OT between 50% and 51% of the time. It worked out that the advantage of receiving was almost exactly offset by the disadvantage of poor field position (conversely, the disadvantage of kicking off was almost exactly offset by the advantage of usually good field position when you did get the ball). Since the kickoff moved back to the 30, the odds have shifted to the advantage of the receiving team (I want to say about 60% win rate). I haven't looked the stats up in a year or so, so I may be a little off on the percentages, but I'm not off by much. If someone wants to look them up now, knock yourself out.
Bottom line, they need to either move the OT kickoff back to the 35 or let the kicking team have at least one chance with the ball no matter what the receiving team does on its first drive.
Bottom line, they need to either move the OT kickoff back to the 35 or let the kicking team have at least one chance with the ball no matter what the receiving team does on its first drive.
...at least the NFL allows the teams to continue playing a real football game.
In college, any semblance of a real football game goes out the window with overtime.
In college, whoever wins in ovetime is the team than can better execute spring training drills.
In college, any semblance of a real football game goes out the window with overtime.
In college, whoever wins in ovetime is the team than can better execute spring training drills.
This was the first time the team who won the coin toss in the NFC Championship actually won the game. 1 for 4 overall. Thought that was an interesting stat for those who think the team that wins flip ALWAYS win the game.
The current system is fine....unless you are a sore loser.
The current system is fine....unless you are a sore loser.
Everyone wants to let the defense of the hook. If you don't get the ball. find your manhodd and play defense. Force a damn punt or a turnover.
They basically had rules that said each team got one possession, so each offense had an oppurtunity to score. Then if it was tied after both had a possession, it went to sudden death. This made it interesting if you won the coin toss -if you take the ball, you give the other team the advantage to know whether they need a TD or FG to win. But then you have the first possession in case of sudden death (if both teams are still tied after the first possession.) So there'san advantage regardless of whether you go on offense or defense first.
It's amazing the UFL could get something right in one year that the NFL still has wrong.
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It's amazing the UFL could get something right in one year that the NFL still has wrong.
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The strategic implications of kicking versus receiving. If you choose to kick, the it's like taking defense in college OT and you know on offense what you have to do. However, if you receive and it's still tied after both teams have an offensive possession, then you just have to score to win.
a touchdown or field goal with your offense. So, if you win the toss you ALWAYS take the ball. No **** Sherlock!