You show me where I claimed you were anti-American. Or where I stated Kaepernick should be deported. Those are asinine straw man arguments.
And to claim that Tillman hated the Armed Forces is also untrue.
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And to claim that Tillman hated the Armed Forces is also untrue.
The very people he wants to convince that a problem exists are the people who find his protest the most offensive. That's why it's counter-productive. I agree with his cause. But if he really wants to bring awareness to the issue he could do something else to raise awareness and perhaps change the hearts and minds of those that need to come around on the issue. Instead he created an enemy. That's why I think it's tone deaf.
I'll put it this way. There are those who don't think there is an issue. They can't put themselves in his shoes and can't understand why he would think that way. On the flip side, he can't put himself in the shoes of those who think this is the greatest country ever and that any form of protest against the flag/national anthem is shitting in the face of all that this country has done for people.
That's the issue we have today. Nobody is willing to put themselves in the other person's shoes to try and figure out why they think the way they do. So pissing off the other side makes that even harder.
He and others have a great platform to bring awareness and change. I'm afraid they only widened the divide. And please don't misunderstand me. Folks on the opposite side of the political spectrum do it all the time too. In summary, the two political extremes in our country are ripping us apart. Most american's lie in the middle. But they feel forced to pick a side of an argument that doesn't have a right and a wrong. There is a middle ground.
I don't agree with Kaepernick's protest, moreso the way he went about it. However, that won't cause me to change my everyday life just because someone or someones support/agree/acknowledge/congratulate his stance.
I am very brand loyal to Nike. Their support of Kaepernick won't change that for me. I'm not going to go out of my way to change my buying habits, style, etc because of something like this.
While we're at it all of us that disagree with his protest should all stop using Google, Apple products, watching ESPN (meaning practically all UK games). I mean that's what its eventually going to come down to.
I am very brand loyal to Nike. Their support of Kaepernick won't change that for me. I'm not going to go out of my way to change my buying habits, style, etc because of something like this.
While we're at it all of us that disagree with his protest should all stop using Google, Apple products, watching ESPN (meaning practically all UK games). I mean that's what its eventually going to come down to.
Wa just going to say the same thing. He will of course be ignored because there’s no money in not race baiting.
Who elected you to be the veteran spokesperson? As a veteran that knows hundreds of other vets I can assure you the vast majority consider the kneeling to be disrespectful.
Everyone has a right to protest any way they see fit but others have every right to disagree and respond in kind with peaceful protest of their own. Actions have consequences and to hear he " sacrificed it all" is a terrible twist of words.
Personally, as a veteran, I have zero issues with the protests by the NFL players, but I also realize that other veterans will disagree, which is perfectly fine. The National Anthem and the flag are both little more than symbols of freedom as opposed to actual rights protected and advanced by the U.S. Constitution. If you walked up to half of the American population and asked them to sing the National Anthem, approximately half will not know the words. Of course, that's not to mention the individuals who unknowingly violate the U.S. Flag Code by wearing their stars and stripes swimming trunks, hats, and shirts while simultaneously putting the American and Confederate flags side by side on their trucks.
Trying to get me to choose between Tillman and Kaepernick. As if I have something against Tillman, so you can try and paint me as anto-soldier therefore anti-American, I’m sure of. May not have been your intentions, but for many others it would have been. Maybe I should’ve clarified his distaste for the armed forces better. But one thing is for sure, his wife is tired of people saying “what about Pat Tillman,” as their defense against not liking what CK does.
I cant believe you jerks would protest Cal and UK. Thats disgusting fan behavior...
If you are stupid enough to think The guy was protesting the national Anthem then you're stupid enough to believe protesting Nike is a slight against our head coach too.
If you are stupid enough to think The guy was protesting the national Anthem then you're stupid enough to believe protesting Nike is a slight against our head coach too.
Why are you disrespecting people hurt or killed by police brutality? All you are doing by wanting this "dont forget me and my pain" moment is taking away from what the protest was about.
This is a very ignorant but unfortunately typical analysis.
Reading comprehension is most definitely not one of your talents.
Don't quote things that were not said. "Don't forget about me and my pain", you're making **** up right there. I responded to a person that misrepresented the way veterans feel about the subject, nothing more. Even if I agree with the reason someone is protesting I can and will take issue with the manner that protest is executed.
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Let’s not kid ourselves. If Kap was a better QB, someone would sign him (see Michael Vick). Kap’s risk:benefit ratio isn’t worth it. That’s the reason he doesn’t play in the nfl. Try the CFL. No one is stopping him from “working.”
Does police brutality exist? Absolutely. Is that worst bringing attention to? Absolutely. I can agree with the idea behind the protest without the method of protest.
But we all want to forget about Kap’s actions before this all became about protests and NFL owner collusion and keeping him from working. The man can bash the USA and uphold a bloody regime like Fidel Castro’s???? He can depict police officers as pigs on his socks????
Oh yeah, he’s completely entitled to protest... I would defend his right to protest. But it’s also his employer’s right to terminate his employment in regards to his conduct.
But I also have the right to say he’s a piece of crap, no talent, cryass.
Does police brutality exist? Absolutely. Is that worst bringing attention to? Absolutely. I can agree with the idea behind the protest without the method of protest.
But we all want to forget about Kap’s actions before this all became about protests and NFL owner collusion and keeping him from working. The man can bash the USA and uphold a bloody regime like Fidel Castro’s???? He can depict police officers as pigs on his socks????
Oh yeah, he’s completely entitled to protest... I would defend his right to protest. But it’s also his employer’s right to terminate his employment in regards to his conduct.
But I also have the right to say he’s a piece of crap, no talent, cryass.
Pig socks and championing the virtues of Castro is not doing it as respectfully as possible.
Our former VP Biden is a self proclaimed football star but that pesky asthma kept him from serving. But that doesn’t get reported or trumpeted by the media since that would make them look hypocritical of their bone spurs label.
While that is great, it doesn't change my stance on his protesting. To me, and I admit others have different views, protesting the flag and the anthem is protesting against the country. Isn't the idea to draw attention toward your cause? Half the people don't even know exactly what his cause is. And that maybe underestimated. I'm not against his cause, and there is a problem in this country, actually a lot more than one. I am for trying to make a change, I'm just not for his method of drawing attention to the matter. Until I read this thread, I couldn't even begin to tell you what his cause was.
why do veterans matter in the slightest then?? why bring them up when their say so shouldnt mean jack squat since the protest was aimed at police brutality?
People who have a problem are the one's making sheet up.. Its about police brutality but people want to manipulate it as a slight against the american flag when it wasnt.
I do not speak for CK or the organizers of their protests but I think their protests have been highly effective and have produced some positive results. Arguably, you could call what they did and are doing "trolling" because it's a fairly innocuous protest (a kneel) that drew a massive response. The point of protesting sometimes is to cause the other side to over-react. You could argue that the "reaction" was not an "over-reaction," of course, but it was a huge reaction that drew the President of the United States into it in a way that prompted even more discussion. Moreover, when the reaction started to eat into NFL ratings and profits, the NFL itself came to the protesters and made some concessions and offered support for their cause. Not saying your viewpoint is wrong, just saying the protests have been productive in some ways. It's been my life experience, however, that most people want to be fair and want to understand the other person's point of view. Most people really are in the middle.
Then the continued discussion of the protests is working, at least in terms of raising awareness. I was only offering Google to show that Colin K has actually done things to support his cause, other than take a knee.
Let me say this again, in plain English so that even you can understand.
I DID NOT BRING UP THE SUBJECT OF VETERANS,,,,,YOU SEE I WAS RESPONDING TO ANOTHER POSTER THAT MISREPRESENTED HOW VETERANS FEEL ABOUT THE SUBJECT IMO.
I hope this clears things up for you but you seem to be spoiling for a fight/pissing match so I doubt it will help.
See. I disagree. To me it's widened the divide. The "blue lives matter" movement didn't exist before this protest. It forced people to "pick a side". If his goal was to troll and piss off. perhaps it worked. I hope that wasn't his goal. I hope his goal was to bring awareness to the issue. While there may be "more" awareness we are probably further from a serious discussion about solving it. I don't think colin was trying to create a divide. I do think he was foolish in his calculation on what the reaction would be. Now I think he's just dug his feet in and refuses to admit he was wrong and has rationalized his actions. (Like most people do).
I'll maintain that a far more effective way to "protest" or "bring awareness" to the issue would have been a way to figure out how to create a discussion about police training and the use of force.
You have to be the one to start things to be at fault now? And I know many veterans that dont give a sheet one way or another. I know many veterans who are also upset at the nation for completely boning veterans on healthcare.... Unless there is a vote on the subject by all veterans... you'll never know how the majority feel.
You seem intent on talking about and being the expert on the veteran subject so I guess my thirty years spent working with active duty and retired vets is useless here, carry on
While on the clock like NFL players are they have no business protesting. If they want to get in their driveway and in their homes and take a knee then so be it. If they wanna carry a sign on a corner and protest then do so. But when your on the clock it is not your time to be doing what you want to do.
What I find hilarious is that the liberals in this country tell us how bad it is and we need socialism (communism) but the people in those countries that have it are trying to flee because of how bad it is.
I'm just waiting for the socialist to pack their bags and leave because of how rough they have it.
If white people think they have it bad then go to Europe. If black people think they have it bad go to Africa. If Asians think they have it bad then go to Asia. If Latino's think they have it bad then go to Central and South America. etc.
Don't try and turn this place into something everyone is trying to escape from.
What I find hilarious is that the liberals in this country tell us how bad it is and we need socialism (communism) but the people in those countries that have it are trying to flee because of how bad it is.
I'm just waiting for the socialist to pack their bags and leave because of how rough they have it.
If white people think they have it bad then go to Europe. If black people think they have it bad go to Africa. If Asians think they have it bad then go to Asia. If Latino's think they have it bad then go to Central and South America. etc.
Don't try and turn this place into something everyone is trying to escape from.
When everyone who was offended said it was disrespectful to the flag... how is what I said Ignorant?
It started that way..but it's not.
Ppl should and will still wear nike..otherwise you sound as stupid as the ppl that pout about chick fil a
I'm a Marine and it's completely disrespectful. If they want to disrespect the flag, the country, and every one of my friends that died for their right to disrespect it, fine, go ahead. But don't anybody fking tell me that I don't have the right to feel disrespected by it.
I can only speak for the veterans that I've talked to. Just like you yet you think you can speak for the majority when you have never met even 1/10th of the veterans out there.
Everyone is free to have their own opinion. I've seen zero evidence that institutionalized racism exists in this country. We don't have a problem with race in this country, we have a problem with the victim mentality.
No one has a monopoly on the meaning of the word "sacrifice everything". It is subjective. One persons definition may be the giving of ones life via military service. Ones might be completely giving up ones career to fight against injustice. Again, this is an employer that willfully chooses to still employ various people who have been convicted of violent acts in a court of law yet somehow draws a line at a peaceful protest. GTFOH with that nonsense. No one gets to define sacrifice for everyone else. Just because my sacrifice, your sacrifice, Kap's sacrifice and a veterans sacrifice doesn't look the same doesn't mean it isn't still sacrifice. And its not like UK has any recourse. It cracks me up the people who are like "i am going with converse...." ---- Nike owns Converse you idiots. The face of Under Armour told POTUS he refused to visit the WH and had choice words for him. Puma made Jay-Z brand ambassador who supports Kap. Adidas has rappers and athletes on payroll that back Kap.
What are triggered white folk gonna wear? Whats UK supposed to do? Ashamed? take that snowflake bs elsewhere...
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I said of the hundreds of vets that I know, the vast majority took exception, talking about those that I know. I did not say all vets, read it again.
Go argue with your wife, I'm tired of conversing in crayon.
More white people are killed by police than black people every year. Just thought I’d tbrow that out there for BBS and the other race pimpers.
"Who elected you to be the veteran spokesperson? As a veteran that knows hundreds of other vets I can assure you the vast majority consider the kneeling to be disrespectful."
Were you talking about the vast majority of the one's you talked to or the vast majority of all veterans because you didnt make that clear.
Uhh duh---
White people in America: About 250 million
Black people in America: About 35 million
You cannot do a proper analysis when total population isnt equal. Of course more white people are shot by police, there are over 7x more white people in this country than black.
All you comment shows is you lack a basic knowledge of how to do a statistical analysis of data.
I am so sick of "political correctness". I am sick of the government dictating who can be hired, who should hired and putting #'s on it.
If a person owns a business with employees, he should be able to hire who he wants. If he has a friend or relative he wants as the operation manager, that's fine. HE OWNS THE BUSINESS.
If a person has true convictions and believes something is wrong, he should (and does have) freedom of speech - less certain restrictions such as defaming someone else, etc. He can say what he wants.
If a person wants to protest something, he most certainly has that right to do so - when and where he chooses to do so.
Now lets get to a thing call consequences and repercussions. If a person only hires who he wants - his friends, relatives, or "like-minded" people and that offends people, fine, don't buy his products. If the owner decides what he's going to do as far as hiring methods then he must live with consumers decisions to buy his product or not.
If you want to say a certain religion or political affiliation offends you, then you'll have to deal with if friends agree and stand with you. If you alienate people, that's on you.
If you decide to protest during a moment that most people hold revered, then be prepared to reap the fruits of your labor.
If a person owns a business with employees, he should be able to hire who he wants. If he has a friend or relative he wants as the operation manager, that's fine. HE OWNS THE BUSINESS.
If a person has true convictions and believes something is wrong, he should (and does have) freedom of speech - less certain restrictions such as defaming someone else, etc. He can say what he wants.
If a person wants to protest something, he most certainly has that right to do so - when and where he chooses to do so.
Now lets get to a thing call consequences and repercussions. If a person only hires who he wants - his friends, relatives, or "like-minded" people and that offends people, fine, don't buy his products. If the owner decides what he's going to do as far as hiring methods then he must live with consumers decisions to buy his product or not.
If you want to say a certain religion or political affiliation offends you, then you'll have to deal with if friends agree and stand with you. If you alienate people, that's on you.
If you decide to protest during a moment that most people hold revered, then be prepared to reap the fruits of your labor.
You don’t get to define what the flag means to other people. A person who views the flag as a symbol of the nation as a whole and the sacrifice that others have made to preserve that nation aren’t “stupid” for being offended just because Colin says that he’s just protesting police brutality.
Trump rebuts Khizr Khan: 'I've made a lot of sacrifices. I work very, very hard'
“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”
if only everyone had such strong feelings about this draft dodger.
“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”
if only everyone had such strong feelings about this draft dodger.
I mentioned "the hundreds that I know" to begin that sentence. I did not think it was necessary to include that info again at the end of the sentence.