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[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

In 2017 987 people were killed by police:

458 were white (Total of 250 million white people in US)
223 were black (Total of 25 million black people in US)

So if the rate remained the same, and there were the same amount of black people in the US as white, 250 million, then that would mean that proportionately the numbers would come out like this:

458/250 million --- Amount of white people shot and killed by police

2,230/250 million--- Amount of black people shot and killed by police

2,230 divided by 458 = 4.87

This means that african americans are shot and killed by police at nearly 5 times the rate of white people.


#BasicStatistics
#TheMoreYouKnow
#TheStatisticsSpeakForThemselves

 

[anon_leeghhkp6kfu6]

In 2017 987 people were killed by police:

458 were white (Total of 250 million white people in US)
223 were black (Total of 25 million black people in US)

So if the rate remained the same, and there were the same amount of black people in the US as white, 250 million, then that would mean that proportionately the numbers would come out like this:

458/250 million --- Amount of white people shot and killed by police

2,230/250 million--- Amount of black people shot and killed by police

2,230 divided by 458 = 4.87

This means that african americans are shot and killed by police at nearly 5 times the rate of white people.


#BasicStatistics
#TheMoreYouKnow
#TheStatisticsSpeakForThemselves

That by itself doesn’t lead to the conclusion that cops are wrongfully killing more black people.

 

[RR30]

Everyone is free to have their own opinion. I've seen zero evidence that institutionalized racism exists in this country. We don't have a problem with race in this country, we have a problem with the victim mentality.

This might be the stupidest post ever. "I'm a white male and haven't seen racism so it can't be real!!!"

 

[LadyCaytIL]

I mentioned "the hundreds that I know" to begin that sentence. I did not think it was necessary to include that info again at the end of the sentence.

Because you were countering the other poster .... it can seem like you actually meant it as the majority of the whole... instead .

I apologize .... I should of asked which way you meant it before assuming.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

This might be the stupidest post ever. "I'm a white male and haven't seen racism so it can't be real!!!"

The KKK still exists... how the hell can racism not be real today? LOL that poster had to of just said that to get a rise right? He can't actually believe that can he? wow

 

[fuzz77]

I’m not going debate any athletes right to protest. I’ll happily conceed it is a protected right and one I humbly served to defend. I recognize these freedoms are fundamental and worth fighting for. I don’t agree with people who chose the playing of the national anthem or the appearance of our flag to protest. Still, I won’t argue their right to do so. I recognize there are many ills within our country although I believe they shared or even worse in other parts of the world. Mankind has many flaws, including a multitude of baseless reasons to hate one another that we have battled with way to long.

But I will not support or agree with a company that fails to recognize what “sacrificing everything” looks like. I assure you, it isn’t a kneeling millionaire who walked away from his contract, by his own choice. I’ve seen way to much in my time to know what sacrifice really means. Today, I’m ashamed my school is associated with such a incredibly insensitive company that cares nothing of the pain caused by knowing and seeing those give the ultimate sacrifice to their country traded away for political and social self promotion.

Self promotion? So you think Kaep sold Nike on the idea of using him in their ads?
You'll have to produce evidence of any self promotion. Kaep had been silent about most everything he has done both before and since. People would criticize him saying he hadn't done this or that when he had and continues to do for others because he didn't and doesn't self-promote.

You ignore the many who have sacrificed everything and those who have sacrificed much that support

I'll leave you with this...the same things being said about Kaepernick were said about Muhammad Ali and short of going to prison for 3 years they both sacrificed a great deal. You can argue whether or not it is "everything" but you cannot say he has sacrificed a great deal. The same things were said of Tommy Smith and John Carlos at the 1968 Olympics. And more recently a man who gave 23 years of military service and endured 5 and half years as a POW...how has the same demographic that criticizes Kaep honored that service he gave this nation?

Please spare me your faux outrage.

Kaepernick will find himself on the right side of history. Of this I am certain.

 

[BillyJoeCatFan]

In 2017 987 people were killed by police:

458 were white (Total of 250 million white people in US)
223 were black (Total of 25 million black people in US)

So if the rate remained the same, and there were the same amount of black people in the US as white, 250 million, then that would mean that proportionately the numbers would come out like this:

458/250 million --- Amount of white people shot and killed by police

2,230/250 million--- Amount of black people shot and killed by police

2,230 divided by 458 = 4.87

This means that african americans are shot and killed by police at nearly 5 times the rate of white people.


#BasicStatistics
#TheMoreYouKnow

And you can take numbers and make them fit any narrative you want. You brought up the percentage numbers. Okay then, what are the percentages of those killed, black or white or other when ordered by police to stop actually stopped ? Dig in to that. What percentage of officers who shot and killed people were black or white or other ? Does that factor in to your argument ? What about the number of same race shootings - a black cop shooting a black person vs. a white cop shooting a white person or other ? Well then you must take into an account what are numbers in relation to race of the cops, the people who were shot ? Take numbers and you can come to many results.

NOT ONE PERSON SHOULD EVER BE SHOT AND KILLED BY AN OFFICER UNLESS IN THE ACT OF A VIOLENT CRIME.

I am not saying there isn't police brutality or bad cops, there are. Just as there are bad people in every other walk of life. I don't know what the answer is.........Lot's of smarter people than me haven't figured it out yet. However, if I am ever in a situation and a police officer yells for me to stop, put my hands up, lay on the ground or whatever - then by gosh that's what I'm going to do. If that happens, I'd be willing to bet the NUMBERS AND PERCENTAGES you speak of will drop dramatically. If after that I (or the person ordered to do so) becomes a victim of police brutality, it'll be a shame but no less a shame if a drug dealer or gang member kills them (or me) as an innocent bystander in a drive-by shooting.

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

That by itself doesn’t lead to the conclusion that cops are wrongfully killing more black people.

COPS ARE KILLING WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE PERIOD.

The african american population is disproportionately effected by this.

The militarization of the police force have lead to this pseudo-police state that is good for no one.

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

And you can take numbers and make them fit any narrative you want. You brought up the percentage numbers. Okay then, what are the percentages of those killed, black or white or other when ordered by police to stop actually stopped ? Dig in to that. What percentage of officers who shot and killed people were black or white or other ? Does that factor in to your argument ? What about the number of same race shootings - a black cop shooting a black person vs. a white cop shooting a white person or other ? Well then you must take into an account what are numbers in relation to race of the cops, the people who were shot ? Take numbers and you can come to many results.

NOT ONE PERSON SHOULD EVER BE SHOT AND KILLED BY AN OFFICER UNLESS IN THE ACT OF A VIOLENT CRIME.

I am not saying there isn't police brutality or bad cops, there are. Just as there are bad people in every other walk of life. I don't know what the answer is.........Lot's of smarter people than me haven't figured it out yet. However, if I am ever in a situation and a police officer yells for me to stop, put my hands up, lay on the ground or whatever - then by gosh that's what I'm going to do. If that happens, I'd be willing to bet the NUMBERS AND PERCENTAGES you speak of will drop dramatically. If after that I (or the person ordered to do so) becomes a victim of police brutality, it'll be a shame but no less a shame if a drug dealer or gang member kills them (or me) as an innocent bystander in a drive-by shooting.

Ahh the age old compliance argument---- Im sure if Philando Castille would have complie..... wait nvm.... If Oscar Grant would have just complied.... If Eric Garner would have just stopped saying he couldn't breathe....

Spare me.

 

[Double Tay]

Ahh the age old compliance argument---- Im sure if Philando Castille would have complie..... wait nvm.... If Oscar Grant would have just complied.... If Eric Garner would have just stopped saying he couldn't breathe....

Spare me.

You’re such a waste of time. I just can’t imagine living my life looking at everything through a colored prism.

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

People have rights. If a cop pulls me over, which this has happened, one of the first things I do is ask why I am pulled over. If you cannot give me anything of merit, I don't have to do jack ****. I don't have to give you my ID, I don't have to answer any questions. I don't have to let you search my car or anything---- and me exercising my inalienable rights is not just cause to be shot dead on site.

Im done entertaining the vast amount of ignorance on this thread.

 

[anon_leeghhkp6kfu6]

COPS ARE KILLING WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE PERIOD.

The african american population is disproportionately effected by this.

The militarization of the police force have lead to this pseudo-police state that is good for no one.

I agree that cops are killing too many people and that this disproportionately affects black people. Just pointing out that the stats you cited don’t necessarily prove that cops are wrongfully killing more blacks than whites. Those stats could just as easily be read to state that black people are committing more crime than white people.

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

You’re such a waste of time. I just can’t imagine living my life looking at everything through a colored prism.

So you would be ok with your son getting shot 6 times with his wife and daughter in the car solely because he was getting his CCW out of his wallet and was guilty of no crime?

STFU you bitchass

 

[fuzz77]

Actually it took a while for Kaepernick to get his point across since it was originally about the oppression of black people and people of color. It then became about police brutality, specifically towards people of color. He wasn't particularly clear about the message and then muddied it further with pig socks and touting the greatness of Castro.
It's his right to protest just as it's other's right not to or to disagree with how he elects to protest. Don't believe anyone is pro police brutality and IMO he could've gotten better results with a message that was clear and stayed on point and didn't include protesting the national anthem.

"touted the greatness of Castro"? Can you cite the place and time?
He wore a shirt with Malcolm X and Castro and was asked about his shirt. Kaep made it clear his purpose for the shirt was because he admired Malcolm X, not that he had any fondness for Castro. But please continue with your false narrative.

 

[BillyJoeCatFan]

Ahh the age old compliance argument---- Im sure if Philando Castille would have complie..... wait nvm.... If Oscar Grant would have just complied.... If Eric Garner would have just stopped saying he couldn't breathe....

Spare me.

Spare you ? Hell, so many on here already do. Dig into the numbers. You were so quick to give examples to fit what you wanted to say. All I did was say you can take a portion of #'s to fit what you want. Which is true. You just did so

 

[Doctor.]

I agree that cops are killing too many people and that this disproportionately affects black people. Just pointing out that the stats you cited don’t necessarily prove that cops are wrongfully killing more blacks than whites. Those stats could just as easily be read to state that black people are committing more crime than white people.

Oh my gosh.

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

I agree that cops are killing too many people and that this disproportionately affects black people. Just pointing out that the stats you cited don’t necessarily prove that cops are wrongfully killing more blacks than whites. Those stats could just as easily be read to state that black people are committing more crime than white people.

It could be, but its deeper than that. But many dont want to go to the depths required. I work in Lexington examining DMC ( Disproportionate Minority Contact). Its intricate. Gentrification plays a role, poverty plays a role, availability to resources plays a role, education etc. The way certain areas are policed plays a role. The bottom line is this there is a truth of a through line of racism embedded in the DNA of this country. You go from slavery, to lynching, to the Jim Crow south, to Segregation, to the Industrial Prison Complex, to the War on Drugs and the crack epidemic, to inconsistent sentencing and pathology of white people on cocaine vs black people on crack ( white person needs treatment, black person is violent and needs to be locked up), which leads to broken homes, which leads to mothers and families not being at home due to working which leads to generational education issues, poverty issues, and substance abuse issues. All this without considering housing malpractice, redlining, white-flight, underfunded schools in bad areas of town and bad areas of town being littered with pawn-shops, liquor stores and cash-advances instead of job training, substance abuse programs, child care programs etc.

Its a very complex issue. Race is a part of it. So is poverty. But no one ever wants to give credence to those complexities.Instead too many white folks say "well because I dont see this in my day to day life, it doesn't exist." I used to think that way. Then I worked in LA and some massive metropolitan, disenfranchised areas and married a person of color. My eyes were opened to the complexities of the issues.

 

[anon_leeghhkp6kfu6]

Oh my gosh.

...do... do you think that black people aren’t committing more crime (proportionally) than white people?

They absolutely are...I don’t see how anyone could even debate that. And as @BigBlueSean pointed out, there are reasons for why that’s the case (history of racism in US, poverty, etc.).

 

[BillyJoeCatFan]

People have rights. If a cop pulls me over, which this has happened, one of the first things I do is ask why I am pulled over. If you cannot give me anything of merit, I don't have to do jack ****. I don't have to give you my ID, I don't have to answer any questions. I don't have to let you search my car or anything---- and me exercising my inalienable rights is not just cause to be shot dead on site.

Im done entertaining the vast amount of ignorance on this thread.

No, you will never be done entertaining. As far as saying you have rights, yes you do and what you said is true about searching the car, however you can rest assured how the scene plays out after you refuse to give ID will depend greatly on your attitude and not that of the police officer. Producing ID and operators license is a law.

 

[anon_leeghhkp6kfu6]

It could be, but its deeper than that. But many dont want to go to the depths required. I work in Lexington examining DMC ( Disproportionate Minority Contact). Its intricate. Gentrification plays a role, poverty plays a role, availability to resources plays a role, education etc. The way certain areas are policed plays a role. The bottom line is this there is a truth of a through line of racism embedded in the DNA of this country. You go from slavery, to lynching, to the Jim Crow south, to Segregation, to the Industrial Prison Complex, to the War on Drugs and the crack epidemic, to inconsistent sentencing and pathology of white people on cocaine vs black people on crack ( white person needs treatment, black person is violent and needs to be locked up), which leads to broken homes, which leads to mothers and families not being at home due to working which leads to generational education issues, poverty issues, and substance abuse issues. All this without considering housing malpractice, redlining, white-flight, underfunded schools in bad areas of town and bad areas of town being littered with pawn-shops, liquor stores and cash-advances instead of job training, substance abuse programs, child care programs etc.

Its a very complex issue. Race is a part of it. So is poverty. But no one ever wants to give credence to those complexities.Instead too many white folks say "well because I dont see this in my day to day life, it doesn't exist." I used to think that way. Then I worked in LA and some massive metropolitan, disenfranchised areas and married a person of color. My eyes were opened to the complexities of the issues.

I agree with a lot of what you have to say, I think there are complexities that neither side is willing to pay attention to.

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

I mean we still have an ongoing war on drugs that John Ehrlichman, the domestic policy chief under Nixon stated this:

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."



We still have things that exist like the School to Prison Pipeline where we test 5th graders reading level in 5th grade and if it is below the 5th grade level we build a prison bed for them.

 

[csrupp]

This might be the stupidest post ever. "I'm a white male and haven't seen racism so it can't be real!!!"

1. I'm not a white male you fking racist.

2. I didn't say that I haven't seen racism, I'd say I've experienced as much or more of it than you.

3. You might not want throw the "stupidest" around when you have the reading comprehension of a six year old.

4. Show me evidence of institutional racism in the United States in 2018 and the well talk.

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

I agree with a lot of what you have to say, I think there are complexities that neither side is willing to pay attention to.

My wifes father served in Vietnam--- He went to war for a country that refused to stand up for him. Refused to allow him to use a toilet or a water fountain that a white man used.

Thats the highest form of patriotism in my book---- To fight for a country in a needless war that REFUSED at the time to fight for him.

Think about that.

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

1. I'm not a white male you fking racist.

2. I didn't say that I haven't seen racism, I'd say I've experienced as much or more of it than you.

3. You might not want throw the "stupidest" around when you have the reading comprehension of a six year old.

4. Show me evidence of institutional racism in the United States in 2018 and the well talk.

How about the massive litigation against all major banks right now due to assigning higher interest rates to people of color? How about Gerrymandering? Redlining? Gentrification? These are all real things that one can see that have been used throughout history to oppress people of color.

You sound like Ben Carson--- Ben, is that you?

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

Look at the congressional district boundaries in a state like Alabama---- With a non-partisan map Alabama goes from being a red state to a toss up REALLL quick. But the institutions systemically draft district lines that facilitate a partisan desired effect.

But institutionalized racism doesn't exist.... yeahhhhh okay

 

[homeytheclown]

Police brutality. This involves the Ferguson riots when a thug rightfully got what was coming to him. Michael brown is a pos

 

[wildcatdonf]

I am sorry but we KNOW why he is boycotting and feels the need to do so, As Mobile said there are MANY MANY ways to boycott and show that you care in many DIFFERENT ways. The National Anthem is NEVER one of them. If you don't understand that then I think you are the one who is delusional.

I agree with this "Find Another Way To Protest" post. As I write this a police officer was shot in Covington, Georgia, and clings to life. Protest, indeed.

 

[Bill Derington]

How about the massive litigation against all major banks right now due to assigning higher interest rates to people of color? How about Gerrymandering? Redlining? Gentrification? These are all real things that one can see that have been used throughout history to oppress people of color.

You sound like Ben Carson--- Ben, is that you?

Jesus Christ Sean, could you step back and take a rational look at things without automatically assuming it’s systemic oppression?
Who gets high rates on loans? Answer that and you will find the answer you won’t listen to.
Do you know why district lines were redrawn? Because the Supreme Court ordered them to, because minorities weren’t mixed with whites. Im not speaking about the latest court hearing.
Gentrification? Or is it white flight? What is the appropriate black white mix where everything is milk and honey?

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

I agree with this "Find Another Way To Protest" post. As I write this a police officer was shot in Covington, Georgia, and clings to life. Protest, indeed.

Ok, but that is part of a job that a person chose to do. It is still awful and I have empathy for those cops just was much as I do someone who is black, but a black person cannot choose not to be black.

Also, this goes with this idea that there is this "war on cops". In 2017 Cops damn near killed 1,000 people. 46 officers were killed in 2017. This idea that there is a war on cops is completely and totally unfactual.

 

[anon_leeghhkp6kfu6]

Look at the congressional district boundaries in a state like Alabama---- With a non-partisan map Alabama goes from being a red state to a toss up REALLL quick. But the institutions systemically draft district lines that facilitate a partisan desired effect.

But institutionalized racism doesn't exist.... yeahhhhh okay

VRA districts inherently rely on discrimination by maximizing minority influence. It’s a bit ironic to cite the lack of the VRA as an example of institutionalized racism.

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

Jesus Christ Sean, could you step back and take a rational look at things without automatically assuming it’s systemic oppression?
Who gets high rates on loans? Answer that and you will find the answer you won’t listen to.
Do you know why district lines were redrawn? Because the Supreme Court ordered them to, because minorities weren’t mixed with whites. Im not speaking about the latest court hearing.
Gentrification? Or is it white flight? What is the appropriate black white mix where everything is milk and honey?

You answered your own question. Its not systemic yet its the SUPREME MFIN COURT THAT HAD ALABAMA DRAW DISTRICTS TO FACILITATE THE STATE TO LOOK HOW IT DOES.

The credit scores of all individuals in the litigation are all over 720 and within 50 points of each other. Try again.

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

VRA districts inherently rely on discrimination by maximizing minority influence. It’s a bit ironic to cite the lack of the VRA as an example of institutionalized racism.

Disagree, moreso lies in population density--- which naturally more minorities are located in those areas.

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

No, you will never be done entertaining. As far as saying you have rights, yes you do and what you said is true about searching the car, however you can rest assured how the scene plays out after you refuse to give ID will depend greatly on your attitude and not that of the police officer. Producing ID and operators license is a law.

The fact you have a preconceived, very negative and possibly violent manner in which you think that scene plays out speaks to the issue at hand when it comes to police.

And that is false. I can provide license and let him see it, but that's all and only applicable in a motor vehicle. If I am walking I don't have to supply him with my name, ID or anything.

This is ultimately my issue of probable cause. It can literally be manufactured out of absolutely nothing. Too loose of a standard IMO.

 

[Bill Derington]

You answered your own question. Its not systemic yet its the SUPREME MFIN COURT THAT HAD ALABAMA DRAW DISTRICTS TO FACILITATE THE STATE TO LOOK HOW IT DOES.

The credit scores of all individuals in the litigation are all over 720 and within 50 points of each other. Try again.

It was brought on by liberals, to have districts more racially diverse. What happened was the opposite of they had hoped, instead of turning red districts purple, it turned blue districts purple.

Please list some numbers with those quotes you're throwing out about the lawsuit.

 

[BigBlueSean_rivals178247]

VRA districts inherently rely on discrimination by maximizing minority influence. It’s a bit ironic to cite the lack of the VRA as an example of institutionalized racism.

The fact that the map comes from VRA literally didn't factor into my use. I was just showing how those districts got something funky going on.

 

[99firerock]

Look at the congressional district boundaries in a state like Alabama---- With a non-partisan map Alabama goes from being a red state to a toss up REALLL quick. But the institutions systemically draft district lines that facilitate a partisan desired effect.

But institutionalized racism doesn't exist.... yeahhhhh okay

I would be intrigued to see how this map would portray based upon incomes...

 

[anon_leeghhkp6kfu6]

The fact that the map comes from VRA literally didn't factor into my use. I was just showing how those districts got something funky going on.

But even that doesn’t necessarily show institutionalized racism. What’s more likely: politicians trying to win states by POLITICALLY gerrymandering districts (ie, “I want a certain number of Republicans/Democrats in this district”), ORRR politicians being RACIALLY gerrymandering districts for....no good reason whatsoever?

 

[Goo19]

"touted the greatness of Castro"? Can you cite the place and time?
He wore a shirt with Malcolm X and Castro and was asked about his shirt. Kaep made it clear his purpose for the shirt was because he admired Malcolm X, not that he had any fondness for Castro. But please continue with your false narrative.

Feel free to Google it yourself, Kaepernick Castro occurred somewhere around late November 2016. He very definitely was complimentary of Castro, even was acknowledged by liberal outlets like CNN and the like. Only after he was called to the carpet - basically because he was ignorant enough to wear the shirt and say these things in Miami which is the home of many Cubans that escaped Castro. So once the **** hit the fan, he claimed he misquoted and things were taken out of context and it was misunderstood. It's fact, not false narrative. https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article117033883.html

 

[anon_leeghhkp6kfu6]

The fact that the map comes from VRA literally didn't factor into my use. I was just showing how those districts got something funky going on.

This is a prior Maryland map. What party do you think is responsible for this map?

 

[Goo19]

How about the massive litigation against all major banks right now due to assigning higher interest rates to people of color? How about Gerrymandering? Redlining? Gentrification? These are all real things that one can see that have been used throughout history to oppress people of color.

You sound like Ben Carson--- Ben, is that you?

Gerrymandering is done everywhere, to the victor goes the spoils. Believe me, democrats have controlled Chicago and the state legislature for about 30 of the last 34 years and continue to redraw districts to their benefit. Not saying it's right, it isn't but it's become commonplace.