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Kbee3

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Like that throw to Demel at the end of the first half.
The Badger staff probably watched some film of Dremel scoring on that play earlier in the season.
 

ashokan

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Some coaches have Kama Sutra offenses - Greg runs missionary most of the time.

It goes back to his Butch Davis days at Miami - have an aggressive turnover causing defense and a turnover-clean offense. Greg sees turnover margin as everything. He sees QBs as game losers more than game winners. Every QB is a liability waiting to happen. As long as you execute you can win with dives and slants - once in awhile throw deep on the sideline to stretch defense and keep box clean (think Teel/Britt). Execution is all.

A Mahomes style shovel pass would make Greg sweat. Everything has to be safe and vanilla with some sprinkles now and then. He used to like some trick plays vs better teams (think Andrew DePaola's fake kick vs USF in 2007). I think his most daring play was having QB tackled on a kneeldown.

If someone confidentially asked Wimsatt if he felt coach had confidence in him I believe 100% he would say "no" and that can be deflating. Greg is like a smother-mother when it comes to offense. Hold hands and look both ways when ball is snapped.
 
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winfield102

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I thought your thread was going to be about him getting hit in the head and having an be issue getting up after the hit. Very surprised he came back in.
 

needmorecowbell

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Why in 6 games has our offense remained so vanilla? Why has the OC not inserted new plays to the repertoire?
By not adding more plays; defensive coordinators have an easier time to defend our offense.
They are running the plays they are capable of running. The OC has been there for 9 months and he has a QB with limited experience. When you add more plays it reduces reps of each play ran in practice. You get better by getting reps.
 

ashokan

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May 3, 2011
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Worth remembering RU's red zone stunk even when there were good players.
Offenses would eat-up yards like a monster between the 20s and then have to settle for FGs if anything. Schiano's red zone has been lame for almost 20 years

2007:

"It was the ongoing red-zone failures, with Rutgers' offense managing four field goals, one touchdown and coming up empty one time for its six trips inside the Huskies' 20-yard line.

"It's tough when you go out and execute the way that you want to and the way you're supposed to ... something's got to give. We've got to get something fixed and get it quick," Teel said. "We're not executing.

""Statistics mean nothing," head coach Greg Schiano said. "Playing the game and winning the game, that's what it is about.

"We need to figure it out quickly. We put up 500 yards of offense and can't score when you get in the red zone? That's an issue."

 
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Doctorzit

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I disagree! You have to admit, Wimsatt has been at RU for 2 1/2 yrs, certainly no longer a rookie. Why are they coddling him and treating him like a freshman. By now, after running the same plays for 6 straight games he should know them cold. My concern is that the coaches have not inserted new plays and his inability to be creative on the fly when opposing defenses have a play covered. He certainly has the requisite athletic ability.
 

LotusAggressor_rivals

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Vanilla worked in 2006 and 2007 because they were able to block people regardless of the opponent. This team is not at that level as far as offensive line play.
 

ashokan

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Vanilla worked in 2006 and 2007 because they were able to block people regardless of the opponent. This team is not at that level as far as offensive line play.

The trend of spead offenses and zone blocking was just getting going.
Coach Rich Rod and WV were on the cutting edge of that and Schiano's aggressive defenses could never defeat WV. The spread with running QB was a good way to finesse blitzes
 
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DC8690

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I disagree! You have to admit, Wimsatt has been at RU for 2 1/2 yrs, certainly no longer a rookie. Why are they coddling him and treating him like a freshman. By now, after running the same plays for 6 straight games he should know them cold. My concern is that the coaches have not inserted new plays and his inability to be creative on the fly when opposing defenses have a play covered. He certainly has the requisite athletic ability.
The answer is Wimsatt is not good. People can say he is getting better but he isnt a good QB so you play safe to minimize mistakes and turnovers, unfortunately the one he had today probably cost us a chance of winning that game.
 
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I disagree! You have to admit, Wimsatt has been at RU for 2 1/2 yrs, certainly no longer a rookie. Why are they coddling him and treating him like a freshman. By now, after running the same plays for 6 straight games he should know them cold. My concern is that the coaches have not inserted new plays and his inability to be creative on the fly when opposing defenses have a play covered. He certainly has the requisite athletic ability.
they only run the plays they feel they can confidently execute. With so many new kids seeing significant time, this limits the plays they will run.
 
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LotusAggressor_rivals

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The trend of spead offenses and zone blocking was just getting going.
Coach Rich Rod and WV were on the cutting edge of that and Schiano's aggressive defenses could never defeat WV. The spread with running QB was a good way to finesse blitzes
True. Even Schiano's better defenses struggled to defend teams that used misdirection and zone blocking.
 
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Shelby65

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They are running the plays they are capable of running. The OC has been there for 9 months and he has a QB with limited experience. When you add more plays it reduces reps of each play ran in practice. You get better by getting reps.
Which is why we accomplished so much development the cupcake game. Oh, sh*t. I take that back.

It’s not a delayed development issue. It’s a toad-brained coach who keeps trying to win in the conference without a passing game. His ouster can’t come soon enough.

And with a straight face he says ‘we’re not there yet’. Where is ‘there’ toad ? Is ‘there’ having a competitive team in your 4th year ? No sh*t we’re not there. We’re not close to ‘there’. It’s a shame ‘there’ isn’t a time and place we can afford to cut you loose and let your pal Belichek hire you for a bs do-nothing job again.
 
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newell138

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Aug 1, 2001
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Which is why we accomplished so much development the cupcake game. Oh, sh*t. I take that back.

It’s not a delayed development issue. It’s a toad-brained coach who keeps trying to win in the conference without a passing game. His ouster can’t come soon enough.

And with a straight face he says ‘we’re not there yet’. Where is ‘there’ toad ? Is ‘there’ having a competitive team in your 4th year ? No sh*t we’re not there. We’re not close to ‘there’. It’s a shame ‘there’ isn’t a time and place we can afford to cut you loose and let your pal Belichek hire you for a bs do-nothing job again.
You seem very angry lately
 

Doctorzit

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Which is why we accomplished so much development the cupcake game. Oh, sh*t. I take that back.

It’s not a delayed development issue. It’s a toad-brained coach who keeps trying to win in the conference without a passing game. His ouster can’t come soon enough.

And with a straight face he says ‘we’re not there yet’. Where is ‘there’ toad ? Is ‘there’ having a competitive team in your 4th year ? No sh*t we’re not there. We’re not close to ‘there’. It’s a shame ‘there’ isn’t a time and place we can afford to cut you loose and let your pal Belichek hire you for a bs do-nothing job again.
It's not the coach who is throwing the high and wide passes.
 

ScarletDog

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It ultimately comes down to the qb position. To run more plays...and more complicated plays, your qb needs to be able to make the reads and have a complete understanding...not only of our offense, but of the defense we are playing. I would suggest that our qb is not just struggling making good passes. It's seeing the right receiver (progressions) and ultimately the next level....understanding the defenses and recognizing. It happens really fast and some people can do it while others struggle. Problem we have is we're not able to get creative and expand the play book due to a limited qb talent (both mental and physical). This handcuffs offensive staff and we get what we see every Saturday. It's not GS holding our OC back...it's the qb position not able to handle even what we're currently throwing at him. Also don't want to kill our qb...it's the whole qb room with a combination of limited athleticism or skill (arm strength, accuracy...different for each guy) or a limited ability to understand our offense (limited plays) or limited ability to understand different defense each week or limited ability to process all of this live under pressure. It's a mess. We need new personnel and we need it fast. Otherwise we continue to be Nilla Wafers Offense and we can't blame coaching except for the fact that they haven't secured the right personnel.
 

Doctorzit

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It ultimately comes down to the qb position. To run more plays...and more complicated plays, your qb needs to be able to make the reads and have a complete understanding...not only of our offense, but of the defense we are playing. I would suggest that our qb is not just struggling making good passes. It's seeing the right receiver (progressions) and ultimately the next level....understanding the defenses and recognizing. It happens really fast and some people can do it while others struggle. Problem we have is we're not able to get creative and expand the play book due to a limited qb talent (both mental and physical). This handcuffs offensive staff and we get what we see every Saturday. It's not GS holding our OC back...it's the qb position not able to handle even what we're currently throwing at him. Also don't want to kill our qb...it's the whole qb room with a combination of limited athleticism or skill (arm strength, accuracy...different for each guy) or a limited ability to understand our offense (limited plays) or limited ability to understand different defense each week or limited ability to process all of this live under pressure. It's a mess. We need new personnel and we need it fast. Otherwise we continue to be Nilla Wafers Offense and we can't blame coaching except for the fact that they haven't secured the right personnel.
Exactly and perfectly written. We don't have a winning QB as of yet. Hopefully, the current freshman or the 24 recruit will fill the position.
 

brgRC90

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Apr 8, 2008
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It's not the coach who is throwing the high and wide passes.
It's the coach who recruits and trains the QB. This is deja vu all over again: we don't have the right QB, wait for the next one, or the next one, or the next one. Is it 2023 or 2009? Are we talking about Tom Savage? At some point you have to conclude Schiano can't make it happen and it's a critical part of his job.
 

tico brown

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Oct 16, 2005
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Why in 6 games has our offense remained so vanilla? Why has the OC not inserted new plays to the repertoire?
By not adding more plays; defensive coordinators have an easier time to defend our offense.
Most on this board has asked, mentioned, talked, complained, etc. If you’re talking about reporters at the presser, they would be banned if they ask a question that’s not allowed. They can’t even talk about what goes on in practice or roster moves without permission.
 

Pils86

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They are running the plays they are capable of running. The OC has been there for 9 months and he has a QB with limited experience. When you add more plays it reduces reps of each play ran in practice. You get better by getting reps.
He has attempted 300+ passes over the course of three years. When does the "limited experience" excuse go away?
 
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needmorecowbell

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He has attempted 300+ passes over the course of three years. When does the "limited experience" excuse go away?
It’s not an excuse. It’s just a fact. He’s played the equivalent of one season under 2 different OCs and is still 19. This year was always a growth year. The offense is better than I expected considering where it was 11 months ago.
 

Shelby65

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Every year is a growth year. By now it seems growth is behind schedule.
 

Shelby65

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He should certainly be trusted to run RPO, for one thing. Instead, his runs to the edge are dictated plays. This is his third year in the program. He has the physical tools, but if he can’t handle most decisions by now that’s a red flag.

And I also don’t think the significant inaccuracy can be fixed.

I think it’s obvious Simon is a better passer. The reason Wimsatt is the starter is the ability to run but they don’t let him anyway except the designed runs as above.
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

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Sep 11, 2006
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Like that throw to Demel at the end of the first half.
The Badger staff probably watched some film of Dremel scoring on that play earlier in the season.
I think.. GUESS.. that Gavin threw that wrong. He remembered the throw there that Dremel scored on and just made teh same throw to the same spot instead of what that down/distance called for... or Dremel ran the wrong pattern... they were either not on the same page or Winsatt was just inaccurate.. and that is a possibility too. All he needed to do was get outside the rush and threaten a run to the corner and that would have freed up Dremel or someone else.
 

RUich

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One thing that seems obvious to me is that our OL cannot open any holes against the better teams. We keep trying to run up the middle and it isn't working. The staff may have begun to think that the big runs against inferior teams were still going to work against the top BiG teams.
I keep thinking we need to stretch the line with both running and passing plays to gain short yardage. Maybe we are not quick enough to do so, but I think we need to do something different.
 
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Doctorzit

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It's the coach who recruits and trains the QB. This is deja vu all over again: we don't have the right QB, wait for the next one, or the next one, or the next one. Is it 2023 or 2009? Are we talking about Tom Savage? At some point you have to conclude Schiano can't make it happen and it's a critical part of his job.
Schiano is not the only coach that gives input about the recruitment and potential ability of a high school player. What Schiano has to do is not be stubborn and admit a mistake was make about Wimsatt. Accuracy cannot be taught; you have it or you don't. You can ask a player to throw to the outside shoulder or inside; but that athlete still is the one who has to make it happen. There are many visual and physical factors that an individual is born with that contribute to the issue of accuracy or any athletic ability.
 
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Schiano is not the only coach that gives input about the recruitment and potential ability of a high school player. What Schiano has to do is not be stubborn and admit a mistake was make about Wimsatt. Accuracy cannot be taught; you have it or you don't. You can ask a player to throw to the outside shoulder or inside; but that athlete still is the one who has to make it happen. There are many visual and physical factors that an individual is born with that contribute to the issue of accuracy or any athletic ability.
The notion that Wimsatt is inaccurate is sheer nonsense. He actually throws accurately most of the time >50% completion rate. It’s when he demonstrates bad mechanics, the ball sails on him, which is why they dont have him throwing over the middle a lot. Gavin’s decision making is what needs to be improved. He will get better, just like Mike Teel and Gary Nova did over the course of their career.
 

Doctorzit

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The notion that Wimsatt is inaccurate is sheer nonsense. He actually throws accurately most of the time >50% completion rate. It’s when he demonstrates bad mechanics, the ball sails on him, which is why they dont have him throwing over the middle a lot. Gavin’s decision making is what needs to be improved. He will get better, just like Mike Teel and Gary Nova did over the course of their career.
I don't consider 15/35, in his last game, highly accurate. Guess what, bad mechanics are a major part of accuracy. One has to wonder, that if after this length of time, his mechanics will ever improve enough to lead to improved accuracy.
 

RUTGERS95

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It's not the coach who is throwing the high and wide passes.
but it's the coach that put us in a position to have a kid doing that.

You can't possibly be happy with the qb situation or stable of qbs for that matter. You can't be
 

RUTGERS95

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It’s not an excuse. It’s just a fact. He’s played the equivalent of one season under 2 different OCs and is still 19. This year was always a growth year. The offense is better than I expected considering where it was 11 months ago.
you just shoot yourself in the foot all the time. 300 pass attempts is by far, experienced in today's world.

age means nothing, absolutely nothing as he's been here 2.5yrs

2 OCs has little impact given Kirk is pure vanilla right now

stop with the excuses, they only work with losers
 

PSU_Nut_rivals17625

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they only run the plays they feel they can confidently execute. With so many new kids seeing significant time, this limits the plays they will run.
It college football. It always going to be a revolving door of players. It so bad now that the NCAA has removed the 25 cap. Why can other school manage new kids but Rutgers can’t?
 
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LotusAggressor_rivals

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The notion that Wimsatt is inaccurate is sheer nonsense. He actually throws accurately most of the time >50% completion rate. It’s when he demonstrates bad mechanics, the ball sails on him, which is why they dont have him throwing over the middle a lot. Gavin’s decision making is what needs to be improved. He will get better, just like Mike Teel and Gary Nova did over the course of their career.
The minimum standard for QB accuracy the way the game is played now is over 60%. A 50% completion percentage was the standard when there were no facemasks and the helmets were leather. A QB with a 50% completion percentage is an inaccurate passer. Teel was game managing hard fought low scoring rockfights in 2006 despite being in an offense with multiple NFL players on the OL and at the skill positions. Nova improved when he got actual coaching from an OC who knew what he was doing. And if your passing offense doesn't use the middle of the field, any DC worth the going pawn shop rate on his headset is going to make your offense look exactly as bad as RU's offense has looked in the last 2 games.
 
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RUTGERS95

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The minimum standard for QB accuracy the way the game is played now is over 60%. A 50% completion percentage was the standard when there were no facemasks and the helmets were leather. A QB with a 50% completion percentage is an inaccurate passer. Teel was game managing hard fought low scoring rockfights in 2006 despite being in an offense with multiple NFL players on the OL and at the skill positions. Nova improved when he got actual coaching from an OC who knew what he was doing. And if your passing offense doesn't use the middle of the field, any DC worth the going pawn shop rate on his headset is going to make your offense look exactly as bad as RU's offense has looked in the last 2 games.
he was 45% vs Wisconsin, only Wagner and Mich was he over 50% this year. He's NOT doing well when throwing
 

GoodOl'Rutgers

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I keep thinking we need to stretch the line with both running and passing plays to gain short yardage. Maybe we are not quick enough to do so, but I think we need to do something different.
This.. I think is right. I think the Wimsatt outside runs behind a sweep-type pulling line looked pretty good. There was no deception to that.. he just took the snap and ran it. Wild-KNIGHT! I think that shows the sweep type plays make the defenders move sideways and our OL seems quick enough to make a difference outside.

That is, they couldn't get effective blocks inside.. but outside they did. So lets do more of that.. not just with Wimsatt.. but how about the Ray Rice style pitches outside. I think all our backs could do that. And then when the defense cheats to stop that.. make them pay with a roll-out the other way and throw down the middle behind the cheating safety coming up for run-stop.

We don't do enough deception on either side of the ball as far as I can tell (not that I can tell).. but Schiano loved loved loved to have the D-Line shift pre-snap to screw up the block schemes and counts of the OL. I miss that.