No quick fix football fans

[mrhotdice]

This loss was about UKs lack of quality depth, overall lack of quality players, and will only change with better players from top to bottom.

Teams in the SEC that have the kind of OL and DL UK has will lose. Plain and simple. add that with having no quality QB and receivers with to many drops and you have the recipe for this season.

This season started with expectations way to high and ended with the reality that the fix is simple. Recruiting is the key between winning 5 games and winning 6, especially the players in the trenches. Same is true when you get to 7 wins.

Did Stoops make mistakes? Sure but you can't lose sight that the only true fix if you want a winning program instead of an occasional winning team is long term recruiting.

Just my opinion.

 

[LowCountryCat]

This loss was about UKs lack of quality depth, overall lack of quality players, and will only change with better players from top to bottom.

Teams in the SEC that have the kind of OL and DL UK has will lose. Plain and simple. add that with having no quality QB and receivers with to many drops and you have the recipe for this season.

This season started with expectations way to high and ended with the reality that the fix is simple. Recruiting is the key between winning 5 games and winning 6, especially the players in the trenches. Same is true when you get to 7 wins.

Did Stoops make mistakes? Sure but you can't lose sight that the only true fix if you want a winning program instead of an occasional winning team is long term recruiting.

Just my opinion.

Your opinion yesterday was that UK would win. Now you've got a bunch of analysis to explain the loss. You don't have a lot of credibility.

 

[oboroCATfan]

Next year will be no better then because we will still be awful on the lines, at QB, and at WR. I guess I should lower my expectations from 4 wins to 3.

 

[KumarCat]

Talent is not an excuse against UL they don't have anymore than us.

 

[NoDef]

I didn't think we played an SEC team today. Last time I checked UofL was a mid-level ACC team.

 

[ZakkW]

Give me a break. Nobody is asking for a 'quick fix', whatever the hell that means. Most of us do expect some level of improvement over the course of 12 games, a head coach who understands clock management, any kind of in-game adjustments, offensive and defensive schemes which make sense and general competency on special teams.

And if you watched that game and think the loss was due to lack of depth, I don't really know what you were seeing...

 

[LowCountryCat]

I see you lurking around, merrimanm, why don't you tell us what a great coach Stoops is.

 

[TheBigBlueSpectacle]

No excuse not to win 6 this year, and if you think there will be sustained recruiting at this point, then I would suggest start paying attention to the mass exodus that is about to occur

 

[buckkiller]

No quick fix but 3 years should of got us somewhere other then a 5 win ceiling. I am sorry but this staff is a joke!

 

[NavyCat88]

This loss was about UKs lack of quality depth, overall lack of quality players, and will only change with better players from top to bottom.

Teams in the SEC that have the kind of OL and DL UK has will lose. Plain and simple. add that with having no quality QB and receivers with to many drops and you have the recipe for this season.

This season started with expectations way to high and ended with the reality that the fix is simple. Recruiting is the key between winning 5 games and winning 6, especially the players in the trenches. Same is true when you get to 7 wins.

Did Stoops make mistakes? Sure but you can't lose sight that the only true fix if you want a winning program instead of an occasional winning team is long term recruiting.

Just my opinion.

Don't think the imbalance of talent in the SEC had much to do with UK blowing a 21 point lead and losing to the ACC's UofL who were mediocre at best this year. Regardless, you cannot overcome bad coaching simply with talent in major college FB.....Ron Zook proved that at multiple programs. We're not likely to continue the recruiting momentum anyway. Good HS players typically don't want to squander their talent by signing with teams suffering under poor coaching.

 

[EZBLUE1]

How many coaches can we hire or fire before fans get it? We have to build a program and give a guy time. Coming off of Joker was very similar to probation. People called for Brooks head early and he was given time.
2003 Kentucky 4–8 1–7 T–5th (Eastern)
2004 Kentucky 2–9 1–7 T–5th (Eastern)
2005 Kentucky 3–8 2–6 6th (Eastern)
2006 Kentucky 8–5 4–4 T–3rd (Eastern) W Music City
2007 Kentucky 8–5 3–5 T–4th (Eastern) W Music City
2008 Kentucky 7–6 2–6 6th (Eastern) W Liberty
2009 Kentucky 7–6 3–5 T–4th (Eastern)

 

[Brand New Merkin]

No excuse not to win 6 this year, and if you think there will be sustained recruiting at this point, then I would suggest start paying attention to the mass exodus that is about to occur

Sadly, I agree.

It's just a hunch but I could see some key players transferring this off season. The coaching staff is in disarray and if its that obvious to fans, it's probably worse in practice.

 

[mrhotdice]

Next year will be no better then because we will still be awful on the lines, at QB, and at WR. I guess I should lower my expectations from 4 wins to 3.

Next year is next year. But until UK has a line that can pass protect and a line that can stop the run it will always be a 5-6-7 win SEC team.

 

[AirRaidFan_rivals164446]

How many coaches can we hire or fire before fans get it? We have to build a program and give a guy time. Coming off of Joker was very similar to probation. People called for Brooks head early and he was given time.
2003 Kentucky 4–8 1–7 T–5th (Eastern)
2004 Kentucky 2–9 1–7 T–5th (Eastern)
2005 Kentucky 3–8 2–6 6th (Eastern)
2006 Kentucky 8–5 4–4 T–3rd (Eastern) W Music City
2007 Kentucky 8–5 3–5 T–4th (Eastern) W Music City
2008 Kentucky 7–6 2–6 6th (Eastern) W Liberty
2009 Kentucky 7–6 3–5 T–4th (Eastern)

Gotta admit, I didn't think Brooks was 'the guy'. But I enjoyed those three bowl games.

 

[mrhotdice]

Sadly, I agree.

It's just a hunch but I could see some key players transferring this off season. The coaching staff is in disarray and if its that obvious to fans, it's probably worse in practice.

These kids will either stay or go but those who think UK will lose recruits because they got beat by Louisville is just foolish. Kids want to play early, period.

 

[Shavers48]

How many coaches can we hire or fire before fans get it? We have to build a program and give a guy time. Coming off of Joker was very similar to probation. People called for Brooks head early and he was given time.
2003 Kentucky 4–8 1–7 T–5th (Eastern)
2004 Kentucky 2–9 1–7 T–5th (Eastern)
2005 Kentucky 3–8 2–6 6th (Eastern)
2006 Kentucky 8–5 4–4 T–3rd (Eastern) W Music City
2007 Kentucky 8–5 3–5 T–4th (Eastern) W Music City
2008 Kentucky 7–6 2–6 6th (Eastern) W Liberty
2009 Kentucky 7–6 3–5 T–4th (Eastern)

so you thought Joker should have gotten more time????? that's all I need to know.

 

[BIGCAT4LIFE]

Anyway to just get the team acting like their coached and not a runaway train.

 

[crazyqx83_rivals88013]

Next year is next year. But until UK has a line that can pass protect and a line that can stop the run it will always be a 5-6-7 win SEC team.

Newsflash: this program has about a 0.00045% shot of ever winning more than 7 regular season games.

 

[mrhotdice]

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Don't think the imbalance of talent in the SEC had much to do with UK blowing a 21 point lead and losing to the ACC's UofL who were mediocre at best this year. Regardless, you cannot overcome bad coaching simply with talent in major college FB.....Ron Zook proved that at multiple programs. We're not likely to continue the recruiting momentum anyway. Good HS players typically don't want to squander their talent by signing with teams suffering under poor coaching.

Of course it does. That's why we collapse at the end of the season. Last year and this year are the same. Same results and same problems.

Not have a QB who can make plays cost UK a couple of wins but the same problems are their.

 

[ukwazoo]

Bill curry got 7 years

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Newsflash: this program has about a 0.00045% shot of ever winning more than 7 regular season games.

Yup. I can't disagree with you there. We do not always agree but you nailed that one.

 

[reflaine]

so you thought Joker should have gotten more time????? that's all I need to know.

I'm thinking the argument here was joker was recruiting to his style all along. He didn't have a big change of philosophy. The players here when he took over were guys he brought in.

He swung and missed on three straight classes of recruits. We are still feeling the effects of that. When he took over the program we were in better shape at the start of his tenure than at the end.

Stoops tenure is better now than when he took over talent wise. We was supposed to be sec when stoops arrived, but was far far from it. We still are about 15-20 players away. I think our ones are getting there, but or depth is really lacking in most positions. . (Losing Braylon heard has really effected the offense. Don't think anyone seen that one coming. And that's the reason King (love the kid) was added

 

[mrhotdice]

No quick fix but 3 years should of got us somewhere other then a 5 win ceiling. I am sorry but this staff is a joke!

Your wrong. Did you call for Brooks head after 3 years? All these type post are a waste of time if you care anything about UK football. Blaming coaches in the third year at a SEC school like UK is a cop out. Bad players make bad plays, slow players miss tackles, bad QBs make bad decisions.

It true the buck stops at the coaches but if not given time to recruit any coach will fail. Come on, stoops has basically had 2 not 3 years to recruit the players he thinks can improve the program. If he fails after 5 years, then fire the bastard but those calling for his head now are being unrealistic. Just my opinion.

 

[buckkiller]

5 wins in year 3 IMO is just not getting done. Its his coaching more then recruiting imo.

 

[reflaine]

We was the worst power five team when stoops arrived. Coming off of 2-10 season. We have progressed from two wins to five (coulda topped at seven if year went perfect on ball bouncing). To five with nine and a half (ga I think was better but prime. And we're were only down 7 at half). possible. The ball didn't bounce our way against Florida vandy auburn m(do think if McGinnis is still healthy we
Win this on on field position alone). Georgia and Louisville.

 

[willievic]

How many coaches can we hire or fire before fans get it? We have to build a program and give a guy time. Coming off of Joker was very similar to probation. People called for Brooks head early and he was given time.
2003 Kentucky 4–8 1–7 T–5th (Eastern)
2004 Kentucky 2–9 1–7 T–5th (Eastern)
2005 Kentucky 3–8 2–6 6th (Eastern)
2006 Kentucky 8–5 4–4 T–3rd (Eastern) W Music City
2007 Kentucky 8–5 3–5 T–4th (Eastern) W Music City
2008 Kentucky 7–6 2–6 6th (Eastern) W Liberty
2009 Kentucky 7–6 3–5 T–4th (Eastern)

Please don't compare Brooks to Stoops. Brooks was a proven Head Coach, and if you watched the last 3 or 4 games, you should realize Stoops doesn't know what he is doing as a Head Coach. He is in way over his head. He's GREAT at arguing with the refs, but I don't believe he has changed any of their calls.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

Talent is not an excuse against UL they don't have anymore than us.

Or Vandy. Or Mizzou. Or South Carolina. Or Eastern.

 

[irishcat1965]

I don't blame Stoops for everything. He did have a program short on talent when he got here. But his in game coaching this year has been terrible. And the OC and DC are pitiful. I about fell on the floor when he said he had full confidence in Dawson. That actually made me believe he meddles in Dawson's play calling to make it more conservative and run oriented.

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

We was the worst power five team when stoops arrived. Coming off of 2-10 season. We have progressed from two wins to five (coulda topped at seven if year went perfect on ball bouncing). To five with nine and a half (ga I think was better but prime. And we're were only down 7 at half). possible. The ball didn't bounce our way against Florida vandy auburn m(do think if McGinnis is still healthy we
Win this on on field position alone). Georgia and Louisville.

Can someone interpret this post? Thanks.

 

[BBBLazing]

These kids will either stay or go but those who think UK will lose recruits because they got beat by Louisville is just foolish. Kids want to play early, period.

Kids will leave when they realize we never win. Stoops is recruiting well and to sustain it he will eventually have to win. Kids have been able to play early here for years and have chosen to red shirt somewhere else. Why do you think that will change? Until we start showing that we can start winning, it is going to be same ol' same ol'.

 

[Cats_2010]

Your wrong. Did you call for Brooks head after 3 years? All these type post are a waste of time if you care anything about UK football. Blaming coaches in the third year at a SEC school like UK is a cop out. Bad players make bad plays, slow players miss tackles, bad QBs make bad decisions.

It true the buck stops at the coaches but if not given time to recruit any coach will fail. Come on, stoops has basically had 2 not 3 years to recruit the players he thinks can improve the program. If he fails after 5 years, then fire the bastard but those calling for his head now are being unrealistic. Just my opinion.

You could give this staff the Alabama team and they might manage 8-4 at best.....JMO

 

[BBBLazing]

We was the worst power five team when stoops arrived. Coming off of 2-10 season. We have progressed from two wins to five (coulda topped at seven if year went perfect on ball bouncing). To five with nine and a half (ga I think was better but prime. And we're were only down 7 at half). possible. The ball didn't bounce our way against Florida vandy auburn m(do think if McGinnis is still healthy we
Win this on on field position alone). Georgia and Louisville.

I want to puke when I read people saying that we could have won x number of games if "the ball bounced right." Why has the ball never bounced right in 60 years? Is it just bad luck?

 

[UKWinsAgainYep]

This loss was about UKs lack of quality depth, overall lack of quality players, and will only change with better players from top to bottom.

Teams in the SEC that have the kind of OL and DL UK has will lose. Plain and simple. add that with having no quality QB and receivers with to many drops and you have the recipe for this season.

This season started with expectations way to high and ended with the reality that the fix is simple. Recruiting is the key between winning 5 games and winning 6, especially the players in the trenches. Same is true when you get to 7 wins.

Did Stoops make mistakes? Sure but you can't lose sight that the only true fix if you want a winning program instead of an occasional winning team is long term recruiting.

Just my opinion.

I guess you forgot to explain to us why we went to OT vs. EKU, lost to Vandy, and Lost to UL. That's all because they had so much more talent, right? Give me a break. 6 wins was EASY with our CURRENT talent level.

 

[Randy Bob]

When you keep losing to teams at a ville, the players on paper looks the same it not like we a playing a Ala here, and this was at our place, it goes to leadership the head coach, like anything in life you got to have a good leader to have success.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Next year is next year. But until UK has a line that can pass protect and a line that can stop the run it will always be a 5-6-7 win SEC team.

Wow, way to come to that conclusion, I was saying that after the UT game. And caught a lot of grief over it too.

 

[blubo]

Bill curry got 7 years

he shoulda got life.

 

[TrollCat_rivals128405]

This loss was about UKs lack of quality depth, overall lack of quality players, and will only change with better players from top to bottom.

Teams in the SEC that have the kind of OL and DL UK has will lose. Plain and simple. add that with having no quality QB and receivers with to many drops and you have the recipe for this season.

This season started with expectations way to high and ended with the reality that the fix is simple. Recruiting is the key between winning 5 games and winning 6, especially the players in the trenches. Same is true when you get to 7 wins.

Did Stoops make mistakes? Sure but you can't lose sight that the only true fix if you want a winning program instead of an occasional winning team is long term recruiting.

Just my opinion.

UL beat our *** all over the field with a true frosh left tackle, an unheralded juco transfer, a walkon at center, and redshirt freshman at one of the guard spots.

 

[Barry MuCockinher]

Talent is not an excuse against UL they don't have anymore than us.

every one wants to scream about talent. Yes in some games it plays a small role, but in most of our losses it's been from poor coaching.
As far as talent goes, development& coaching up players falls on the coaches at the end of the day. You can reference the LLU, EKU,Vandy , Louisville where it exposed better coaching for the opposition & just how bad our coaching had been. That's all you need to know right there about the last 2 years.

Hell I see teams like Baylor competing with their 3rd string qb......think about that for a second. I see leach@ WSU knocking off teams with far more talent. I watched vandy put up 9 wins in my lifetime. I watched WKU beat us back to back years, and they're now beating the literal piss out off teams. I watched Uofl (with equal talent embarrass us). I could go on. All those teams have common strengths & weakness. They have coaching, development, game planning, in game adjustments and a great play caller! WE DONT. All those teams have talent deficiencies just like we do yet they win with less, they've proven it. I don't give a rat's *** if they're not in the SEC, they compete, they put their teams in the best situations to win with what they've got. We don't have that, and I'd venture to say we have more talent at the skill positions to stay competitive.

At the end of the day you can whine about depth& talent. But in year 3 with a weaker than normal schedule & 8 home games you don't end up with our record, period. At the end of the day the team has regressed & our lack of coaching cost us multiple games

 

[kentuckyrld]

Your wrong. Did you call for Brooks head after 3 years? All these type post are a waste of time if you care anything about UK football. Blaming coaches in the third year at a SEC school like UK is a cop out. Bad players make bad plays, slow players miss tackles, bad QBs make bad decisions.

It true the buck stops at the coaches but if not given time to recruit any coach will fail. Come on, stoops has basically had 2 not 3 years to recruit the players he thinks can improve the program. If he fails after 5 years, then fire the bastard but those calling for his head now are being unrealistic. Just my opinion.

Well, keep in mind that the recruiting classes Stoops has had so far are still at the very bottom of the SEC. Even though the perception is that he is bringing in better talent if you look at what the so-called experts say, the talent level he recruits puts his classes at or very near the bottom. If that is true then according to your argument Stoops will continue to do what he as done and UK will still be a failure. It is time to cut the losses, drop Stoops and his staff and hire an EXPERIENCED coach.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Can someone interpret this post? Thanks.

"I love Stoops, signed, Mitch"