I haven’t heard that term since I retired from the military. It was such a common phrase.
Not good - UMMC feeling the pain...
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I sincerely applaud your moral code. No sarcastics. I like to think most people have a pretty high moral code, or at least close to half of us.
But is this really like Hitler level evil (and I guess even nazis and skinheads and some in our MAGA movement wouldn't consider Hitler all that evil now)? Even our President admitted Hitler did "some good things." Slavery wasn't considered all that evil back in the day. It was considered biblically sanctioned. The governor of Florida said it was "beneficial."
If they even care about individual lives - and I suspect they probably don't, these hackers can say those deaths could have been avoided if the hospital had just paid up.
It's only money. And you can bet there are plenty of businesses - some we might consider legit 'Christian' businesses - that will be happy to pay for ill-gotten data if it helps them make a buck.
Look no further than how our own government is handling the Epstein's files. At one time we all thought child trafficking was evil. Apparently the people in power don't. It's time to "move on."
We may have to adapt and assimilate. At this point, we've gone well beyond moral relativism.
Looks like there was an attack yesterday that was repelled. But the hackers gained access through an integrated device this morning, hearing it was a camera.
Fortunately I have never needed his services, but our kids play baseball together and Joaquin is a great guy.
That absolutely wouldn't work in health care. You have to communicate with other healthcare systems, the government, and/or insurance companies routinely on virtually every patient encounter. Some of this is literally EVERYTHING about the encounter.
I didn't see anything in the article indicating how the system was compromised, so I wouldn't assume an emaill phishing attack
Is everything political through your lense? This is about a computer hack.....geez.
And I'm offering you context within the cultural milieu and the forces at play. No judgement; just casual, yet reasoned, observation. Things don't happen in a vacuum, my apolitical friend.
Why would hackers delete the debt? There whole objective is to make money. They are more likely to get paid when patients who could potentially seek legal action are at risk. The hospital can always go back and recreate invoices.
For profit - massive profit - healthcare systems are always going to be at risk.
just another cost of doing business.
Shutting down their entire accounting system might get them to act quickly. I doubt they keep paper records for AR and AP.
You can send patient information in your emails and communications. By copying it over to the communication side. This way it stays on the secure side even if the communication side gets compromised. Does it require an additional step, yes. But you don't lose it all to bad actors. You can have closed systems communicate with each other.
The CIA and NSA operate in this fashion and that stuff is hypercritical. They can talk to each other though.
It just got serious. One of their IT guys just backed out of my Saturday morning tennis group. And he’s our leader.
Is there only one level to evil for you? if that’s your hang up— I don’t know what to tell you. Yeah, it’s evil to me to hold a business for ransom when that could potentially lead to innocent deaths- whether that happens or not. The fact that they don’t give a ****, they just want their money….. yeah, evil. Lacking humanity. And no it’s not on the hospital because, “well, they should have just paid it”. NO, they could just go get jobs and be productive members of society- they obviously have the skills to do so, but they are lacking the most basic moral code.
As for the rest of your post…… yikes. Touch some grass.
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If you ever need a neurosurgeon, I highly recommend him. He's probably the best doctor I've ever had in my life.
Another layer of expense added to healthcare. Make no mistake if what you are advocating becomes law, it will immensely increase healthcare costs. I still don’t think you understand just how many essential and legitimate players, clinical and financial, HAVE to have access to your healthcare information. It’s not AN additional step, it’s MANY additional steps. one thing to remember, this ain’t NATIONAL SECURITY type stuff.
Some people just can't control it. They need to be studied.
Another reason that medical pharma industrial complex needs to die. Everyone should be responsible for their own records and health
everything is a balance. If losing data like that one in awhile is acceptable, then fine.
I don't like cloud servers. To centralize all that processing allows for a single point of failure to have huge repercussions like it did a few months back. You put too much control in fewer peoples hands. It does make it cheaper since you don't have to buy and maintain hardware and the staff to do those things. It also makes it easier for bad people to effect more systems much more easily.
They likely didn't get compromised just yesterday. The attackers have probably had access to the system for some time. Possibly up to six months. That's their MO. They're very patient. Gain access, assess vulnerabilities for maximum pressure on the target to pay up, assess what the compromised data will be worth to the victim to set a price to ask of them, set it to encrypt files at a specific time in the future. It's much harder to determine how you got compromised when the breach might have happened six months ago. I've worked with the Jackson FBI cyber task force team before, on an attack on a 911 Dispatch Computer-aided Dispatch server. A third party managed it and allowed it to get attacked and 9 years worth of CAD data lost. The county did not pay the ransom. The FBI discouraged against doing so, at that time. That FBI cyber task force team is very good and have very good tools at their disposal.
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I swear man. I spend 2 hours a day logging in after getting timed out cause I left for 15 minutes. Takes 15 minutes just to open what I need to start the day.
I just pity it.
But, I've lived in the Washington DC area for about 28 years, where nice guys are eaten alive. East coast. Big city attitude. You cannot afford to be nice. People will take advantage of you. Dog eat dog. All day, every day.
Yep, same thing happened to my employer and we didn't pay the ransom. IT had to wipe and re-map every single computer in the whole organization. Took weeks. If you pay the ransom there's still no guarantee they'll give you access back to the system. A lot of these attacks are coming from Russia. Commie bastards......
I’m in leadership for one of the residency programs. Yesterday, truly felt like a doomsday scenario. I expect today will be a bit better but similar. Honestly, the biggest issue is communication between specialties and between doctors and nurses with pagers and phones being down. The paper charts are annoying but manageable. I expect it’ll go through the weekend at least, likely longer.
Cool. I don’t live there. That’s a choice.
I live and work somewhere that I don’t have to be an ******* to get ahead. Sure I’ve maybe missed out on some things because I don’t want to compromise my morals. And I hope I hold to that. At the end of the day, I have to live with myself. We’ll be able to retire very early if we want. I don’t think I’m better than anyone else; in fact, lots of people do what we do and lots more could. I see plenty of genuinely nice people get ahead.
Crazy enough, it seems it can work out either way. I’d rather do it my way. But you do you. I pity you for thinking it’s not possible.
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I wonder what the ransom is? I know of a small business this happened to and it was $500 and the owner paid immediately. Obviously this situation is much more but if it’s a few hundred thousand they better pay it and move on. Several million…….then it’s a tougher decision.
Comparing the VA to UMMC made me chuckle. I work at both, and the two shouldn’t be in the same conversation. I know this will probably go against popular opinion, but I think UMMC is likely the best out of the three big metro area hospitals. It’s where I’d bring my family if I needed.
Having lived through a successful ransomware attack some years back, I still say the answer is to declare hacking terrorist activity and have the CIA sanction a few with accompanying press conferences afterwards.
None of the "big three" is the best across the board at everything. Each has strengths and each has glaring weaknesses . I regretfully speak from experience .
My son flipped our SxS and crushed his forearm. Literally the only thing holding it together at both the forearm and elbow were skin and nerve tissue. We spent 27 days in UMMC, 20 in their Cardiac ICU. He had 18 surgeries to rebuild his arm and elbow. The doctors and nurses and everybody else there were ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. I'll meet anybody at South Farm who says a bad word about UMMC.
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