Not to get all Genespage....

[DowntownDawg]

....but it really is pretty sorry what happened to the Price kid. The guy is told that he has a good chance at a scholarship offer from State with a good camp showing. He is promised that he is going to the camp. They go to Troy for some reason and stay too late in the day to drive to Starkville. He doesn't work out at Troy so that he can work out that night in Starkville, but his "ride" decides it is too late to drive to Starkville. All this because there is a concerted effort to keep Singleton off of our campus, apparently.

Frankly, we're screwing with a kid's chance at a college education. Price apparently has no other offers, and certainly not any SEC offers. So whoever is calling the shots is so desperate to keep Singleton away that they are willing to keep Price from potentially going to college, to say nothing of a chance at playing football for an SEC program. That's pretty ridiculous.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....but it really is pretty sorry what happened to the Price kid. The guy is told that he has a good chance at a scholarship offer from State with a good camp showing. He is promised that he is going to the camp. They go to Troy for some reason and stay too late in the day to drive to Starkville. He doesn't work out at Troy so that he can work out that night in Starkville, but his "ride" decides it is too late to drive to Starkville. All this because there is a concerted effort to keep Singleton off of our campus, apparently.

Frankly, we're screwing with a kid's chance at a college education. Price apparently has no other offers, and certainly not any SEC offers. So whoever is calling the shots is so desperate to keep Singleton away that they are willing to keep Price from potentially going to college, to say nothing of a chance at playing football for an SEC program. That's pretty ridiculous.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

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[DowntownDawg]

...the kid's not 21.

 

[Dollabillz]

And more importantly, did you grow up in Mississippi? Because Ole Miss folks have been doing this from the beginning. It's ingrained in their heads that they are better than MSU. Now I know better, you know better, and most rational minded UM alumni know better, but there'sa certain number of people whose self esteem is tied to a "school" for whatever reason, like rebelbruiser for an example (remember the pure unadulterated murderous psychobabble he posted when Elliot got hurt?). These people have the most deep rooted hate for MSU I've ever seen, now that MSU has built up and they've faded out, since their national relevance. They are willing to do anything, ANYTHING, to preserve that fake level of superiority.

That said, most people see things for what they are - a school, and a game.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...I'm saying that it's sorry. And I'd be ashamed if my school did this to a player who was just trying to get a scholarship offer.

 

[mredge]

Sad story, if true, but you make it sound like the kid's entire life depended on getting to that tryout at MSU. He might as well just rob a bank tomorrow, but he's prison bound for the rest of his days on earth.

Let's face it. If the kid is good there will be lots of college scouts watching him because of his team and team mates this year. If he has talent, then it will be seen and he will be rewarded accordingly.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

It is complete bull ****...I'm just hoping and praying that I'll be watching ESPN or get a tweet or something very soon that says "Ole Miss being investigating with possible recruiting violations regarding WR prospects Tobias Singleton and Joe Price."<div>
</div><div>It's sad that this guy, whoever it was did this. If he's close to the family, he would have left on time. It's not that hard to get to Starkville. Coming from Troy....it's due West of Tuscaloosa. If you start going up I-55 (somehow make it back there to get to Oxford) you take 82E...it doesn't make sense at all. Rosebowl seems pretty upset about it and says he's been getting emails and texts about it the past few days non stop. I think he will mention it to the NCAA if no one else does.</div>

 

[RebelBruiser]

Be honest. The only reason you care is because you want to get Singleton. It has nothing to do with Price or the indignity of not getting a chance to work out for MSU.

If the kid is good enough to even get consideration from MSU, he's going to at least have full scholarship offers from 1AA schools, if not a few Sun Belt and CUSA schools. It's not like if he doesn't get a look from MSU he won't get a chance to go to college. If he's good enough to get a look from MSU, he'll have his school paid for by someone. We're not talking about someone who is borderline D-2, where they might not be quite good enough to get a full D-2 ride and may have to play D-3 on a partial leadership scholarship. The guy is going to have an offer from someone if he's got good enough grades. It may not be a BCS level offer, but it'll be something, and last I checked, even 1AA schools offer just as good of an education, many of them better, than what you could get at MSU or Ole Miss.

 

[coach66]

parents, etc scenarios by UM is getting old and it has gotten even worse since the books and movies. This obviously is a gray areathat theNCAA needs to address.

 

[Dollabillz]

Be honest. The only reason you care is because you want to get Singleton. It has nothing to do with Price or the indignity of not getting a chance to work out for MSU.

If the kid is good enough to even get consideration from MSU, he's going to at least have full scholarship offers from 1AA schools, if not a few Sun Belt and CUSA schools. It's not like if he doesn't get a look from MSU he won't get a chance to go to college. If he's good enough to get a look from MSU, he'll have his school paid for by someone. We're not talking about someone who is borderline D-2, where they might not be quite good enough to get a full D-2 ride and may have to play D-3 on a partial leadership scholarship. The guy is going to have an offer from someone if he's got good enough grades. It may not be a BCS level offer, but it'll be something, and last I checked, even 1AA schools offer just as good of an education, many of them better, than what you could get at MSU or Ole Miss.

The fact that somebody hates another school so much that it clouds their judgement to the point they are willing to even POTENTIALLY harm some youngplayer's future, is what's alarming.

Nobody would even know about it if Singleton wasn't in the car. Still doesn't excuse the fact that it happened and it was a crappy thing to do. If it happened to an Ole Miss recruit you'd be wishingfor a beheading.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Be honest. The only reason you care is because you want to get Singleton. It has nothing to do with Price or the indignity of not getting a chance to work out for MSU.

If the kid is good enough to even get consideration from MSU, he's going to at least have full scholarship offers from 1AA schools, if not a few Sun Belt and CUSA schools. It's not like if he doesn't get a look from MSU he won't get a chance to go to college. If he's good enough to get a look from MSU, he'll have his school paid for by someone. We're not talking about someone who is borderline D-2, where they might not be quite good enough to get a full D-2 ride and may have to play D-3 on a partial leadership scholarship. The guy is going to have an offer from someone if he's got good enough grades. It may not be a BCS level offer, but it'll be something, and last I checked, even 1AA schools offer just as good of an education, many of them better, than what you could get at MSU or Ole Miss.

The fact that somebody hates another school so much that it clouds their judgement to the point they are willing to even POTENTIALLY harm some youngplayer's future, is what's alarming.

Nobody would even know about it if Singleton wasn't in the car. Still doesn't excuse the fact that it happened and it was a crappy thing to do. If it happened to an Ole Miss recruit you'd be wishingfor a beheading.

IF it happened, then yes it was a crappy thing to do. But the cry of injustice isn't about Price. It's about Singleton. That's all I'm saying. Price will get a scholarship somewhere. He will get a free education, so that's not a concern. If he gets a scholarship to State, it's likely only going to be because you want Singleton, not because you really want him anyway. He'd be your Colby Arceneaux.

Like I said before, this story reminds me a lot of the Robert Elliott kidnapping story with Gene serving as family advisor. It could have legs, but ultimately, I don't see anything coming of it either way.

 

[Dollabillz]

1) The cry of injustice is about Price.
2) Nobody would know about it, if not for Singleton.
3)You know nothing about the kid, or what offers he may get. He may want to go to State. I know that shocks you.

That's really all there is to it. You know it, but you just have to defend some random Ole Miss booster that chances are you'll never see or meet the rest of your life. What the hell, find a hobby besides loving Ole Miss sports on an MSU message board.</p>

 

[pDigital32Dawg]

DDku

 

[olemissbydamn]

the tone of the article doesn't seem as sinister as the reports I have heard here.

http://mississippi.scout.com/2/986651.html

If these guys didn't leave Troy, Alabama until4 or5 PM and it's a 4 hour drive, they wouldn't have arrived in Starkville until 8 or 9 PM at best. It wouldn't matter if they were "lost" or not.

 

[jcdawgman18]

And the fact that he didn't do anything but run a 40 at Troy because he was planning on working out at State indicates that things did not go as he had expected them to.

 

[RebelBruiser]

1) The cry of injustice is about Price.
2) Nobody would <span style="text-decoration:line-through">know</span> care about it, if not for Singleton.
3)You know nothing about the kid, or what offers he may get. He may want to go to State. I know that shocks you.

That's really all there is to it. You know it, but you just have to defend some random Ole Miss booster that chances are you'll never see or meet the rest of your life. What the hell, find a hobby besides loving Ole Miss sports on an MSU message board.</p>

Fixed No. 2 for you. The ONLY reason you or anyone cares is because of Singleton. The outrage is because Singleton didn't make your camp, and it's veiled as caring about Price's chances to get an MSU offer.

And yes, I do know that if Price is good enough to have a legit chance at an MSU offer, he'll get offers from Sun Belt, CUSA, or 1AA schools at a bare minimum. If he's not good enough to get those type of offers, then your staff has either really lowered their standards, or you're only looking at him as an attempt to get a package deal. You are correct that he may want to go to State, but the assertion is that his chances at getting an education period were tampered with. If all you really care about is Price's opportunities for a free education, you need not worry. He'll get that opportunity somewhere, so don't pretend that's what it's about.

 

[RebelBruiser]

And the fact that he didn't do anything but run a 40 at Troy because he was planning on working out at State indicates that things did not go as he had expected them to.

Sounds like they stayed at Troy too long, not that they were in the car expecting to go to State but got "lost", which was Steve's story. Obviously, if Price was in the car and called one of your coaches to say they wouldn't be able to get there until late, they knew they were not going to make it. Be outraged that they didn't leave Troy early enough in the day, but it sure doesn't sound from Joe's end like the person driving them deliberately got lost and avoided Starkville.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....I am pissed at the slime that your school has going in recruiting right now. It seems to reach a new level every year. I am pissed off at that, just like I am pissed off when somebody buys a player. That's nothing new. We do it too. SUV's get passed around. Cash changes hands. Parents get jobs. We do it, you do it. It sucks when we are on the receiving end, but it's basically give and take and that's the way the game is played.

That said, it's just wrong to deny Price that opportunity. It is more over the line than the usual recruiting stuff. I seriously hope Ole Miss offers Price and they both sign there. I would still hate to lose Singleton, but the Price guy needs to get to play SEC football and not lose his shot the way he lost it. Because essentially, as it stands right now, he is on the outside looking in. It just is more offensive than the usual stuff. You act like playing Sun Belt or 1AA is just as good as playing in the SEC. That's crap. He does not deserve to have to settle for that this way. It's indefensible if it happened the way it's being discussed. I hope it didn't. If it did, I hope it gets exposed and makes national news and this booster/fan/driver gets totally embarrassed. He really crossed the line there and whoever is giving him marching orders did the same.

If State is willing to offer Price to get a chance at Singleton, so be it. It happens all the time. Ole Miss could do it too. But no, they don't want Price, but they sure don't want us to have Singleton, so we're just going to keep Price from playing SEC football as long as we don't get Singleton. It's going too far. Again, I'd be ashamed if we did this. Big time ashamed.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...the guy is obviously disappointed.

Singleton ought to be called out too. He ought to make sure his guy gets where he needs to go to get that offer that Singleton has so many of. Of course, the difference is that Singleton is a minor.

 

[jcdawgman18]

But to act like all is well just because they left Troy too late instead of "getting lost" is ridiculous. It's obvious that Price at least planned on being in Starkville Friday night. Knowing that, you would think someone in charge of getting him there would make sure that happened.

I don't think anything will come of this because it would be too hard to make anything stick. However, I do think there's a lot of truth in the rumors that are going around. There's too little discussion on Mississippi boards. Not enough indignation at the claims.

 

[patdog]

"Leaving late" is pretty much the same as "getting lost." The point is to keep the players the hell out of Starkville and the purpose was met. Like you say, this is much ado about not much though. If we're interested in Price, it's not like we're not going to offer him just because he couldn't make it (especially with it not being his fault). And if we're not interested, we weren't going to offer him anyway.

 

[olemissbydamn]

"Leaving late" is pretty much the same as "getting lost." The point is to keep the players the hell out of Starkville and the purpose was met. Like you say, this is much ado about not much though. If we're interested in Price, it's not like we're not going to offer him just because he couldn't make it (especially with it not being his fault). And if we're not interested, we weren't going to offer him anyway.

But was that not Steve's story until the article came out. I don't read Steve or BDJ, so I don't know, but isn't that what was reported at first on this board?

It's not like this doesn't happen to us too. We couldn't get a sniff from Kaleb Eulls and Fletcher Cox. Same thing with Dee Arrington. You don't think that some peoplein those communities are influencing them not to visit OM?

There will always be boosters in certain communities with pull who will influence recruitsin one direction or the other and attempt to keep them from visiting the rival school.To act like we have cornered the market on this is just silly. And to act as if this issue is about Joe Price and not TobiasSingleton is disingenuous.

ETA...Pat, I realize you were agreeing with me about Joe Price and the fact that MSU are more upset about Singleton.That was more aimed at the good samaritans who were worried about Price getting an offer.

 

[GloryDawg]

It was that AP and UPI Championship USC wonin 1962 that wasBS.</p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

There will always be boosters in certain communities with pull who will influence recruitsin one direction or the other and attempt to keep them from visiting the rival school.To act like we have cornered the market on this is just silly.

This is true, and in the state of Mississippi, there are definitely more communities and coaches that steer their prospects to MSU than to Ole Miss. MSU has a whole lot more representation on high school staffs around the state. We have the South Panola and Madison Central markets cornered. Those are about the only major areas in the state where we have coaches, families, etc. that will push their players our way. We obviously have some help in Raliegh too, though I think this is the first year that I can remember where having someone in Raleigh mattered. MSU has a lot of towns and programs that are MSU programs, more than we have.

That's why I've always said no coach will ever dominate the in-state recruiting battle. There will always be MSU players and Ole Miss players in the state, and MSU programs and Ole Miss programs.

And yes, I don't like the situation at Olive Branch, namely because Samsel is trying to keep his kids from looking at either in-state school. As of the past few years, Ole Miss and MSU have done a good job keeping the top talent at the programs in our state. Bama, AU, and LSU haven't had nearly the influence they used to have. It's frustrating to see someone from this state try to keep his players from the state schools. It's one thing to steer to Ole Miss or steer to MSU. It's another to try to keep your kids from either school when you're in the state.

 

[patdog]

From all I can tell, it's about equal. Of course, y'all having South Panola and Madison Central both locked down is a little more significant than just two random towns.</p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

MC and SP are both big programs, so that is big, but steering goes on for both programs, and there are a lot of prospects every year that we have virtually no shot at getting from the outset because of where they are from or who their coach is.

I realize that some prospects just love Ole Miss or MSU, and that goes both ways, but there are others that love one or the other because that's the way their town and program has raised them, and that's where the town and program steer them.

 

[Johnson85]

It's not like this doesn't happen to us too. We couldn't get a sniff from Kaleb Eulls and Fletcher Cox. Same thing with Dee Arrington. You don't think that some peoplein those communities are influencing them not to visit OM?

There will always be boosters in certain communities with pull who will influence recruitsin one direction or the other and attempt to keep them from visiting the rival school.To act like we have cornered the market on this is just silly. And to act as if this issue is about Joe Price and not TobiasSingleton is disingenuous.

And while I'm skeptical of the truth of this rumor, it's amazing that it wouldn't bother some people if it happened.

To the extent people MSU related people tried to prevent Eulls and Cox from going to an Ole Miss camp, they at least had offers fromState. To the extent Price's driver didn't make sure Price made it to MSU (when Price wanted to try to get an offer), that sucks. If you are a friend of the family and want to keepSingletary away from State (when he has an Ole Miss offer in hand),knock yourself out. But putPrice in another17ing car. No reason to hamper Price's shot at a SEC offer.Again, I would assume it was the driver being an inconsiderate *** by not making damn sure they leftTroy in time, butto the people that think it wouldn't be a big deal if Price got screwed over to "protect" singletary, just know you 17ing suck.

ETA: Yes, it's 17ing disengenuous. No possible way you can be a fan of an SEC football team and still have the perspective to think it would be 17ed up to limit one player's chance at an SEC offer just to help keep a blue chipper from visiting a rival school.

 

[patdog]

A good guage for who controls the most towns is car tags sold. We do have more than you, but the difference is very small. As for coaches, why would we have significantly more? Do y'all just not have a coaching degree? Also, historically our coaches haven't used (or maybe been able to use) as much influence as some UM coaches have. See Mike Justice and Michael Fair for a couple of examples. Strong MSU supporters, but their players all go to UM.</p>

 

[babbleBrebel]

It is pretty Gene's pack of you to buy hook, line and sinker Steve and Paul's BS on this. Tobias Singleton isn't going to MSU despite the fact they both have tried to conjure up some "mystery recruit." This is a cya story made up bc they both guaranteed he would be there. Tobias Singleton was in Dallas wearing blue pants, a red shirt, and a blue tie during the Cotton Bowl. He looked like the4star WR version of RebelChuck. If he stays in-state he is going to OM. Some people at MSU and MC cant just deal with that or have made assurances, and are now making up BS stories.

Step back and think what you are saying, that some booster from OM basically kidnapped Singleton and took him somewhere against his will. Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that someone would think it would help OM sign Singleton to not let him go somewhere he wants to be? If Singleton wanted to be in Starkville he would have been.

It sucks for Joe Price if he really wanted to go to Starkville, but MSU is using him just as much as anybody. The only reason he is getting the interest is as a potential package deal. If Price doesn't have a real offer if Singleton doesnt go to State, which isnt happening, then it is in his best interest to go somewhere, like Troy, who might actually offer him on his own abilities and not based on who his friend/teammate is.

 

[mo78881]

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Be honest. The only reason you care is because you want to get Singleton.</span> It has nothing to do with Price or the indignity of not getting a chance to work out for MSU.

I know that how you think..how you see things..... Maybe you are a bigger fan of your school than I am of mine I don't know......but, that statement illustrates the difference between you and most level headed people from either school.......

 

[jcdawgman18]

Two way street here. I do believe Mississippi definitely started with and probably still holds a lead on State, but in no way do I think it's a done deal.

 

[Shunface]

Nutt has been jockeying with administration about implementing some form of sports marketing/coaching degree.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....you guys have more locked up than we do. What about Noxubee County? Things have changed since Jackie was around, but there are several kids every year now that just aren't really going to give us much of a look. The past couple of years it's been Noxubee County, USP, Madison Central. What about Bell and Morris this year? They're not coming to State.

Anyway, that's a different topic altogether.

 

[Shmuley]

Despite you're disclaimer...

Gotta note it when it happens.

 

[RebelBruiser]

but anyway, you are correct, we don't have whatever program it is at our school that tends to lend itself to coaching football. You do. You have more coaches than we do at the high school level. They may not push players as much, but certain towns are definitely MSU towns and programs.

As Shunface said, Nutt has been pushing for the degree program to try to rectify that issue and put more "Ole Miss" coaches in Mississippi high schools. Silly as it sounds, it helps.

 

[dawgatUSM]

Paul and Steve just reported it.

 

[War Machine Dawg]

Be honest. The only reason you care is because you want to get Singleton. It has nothing to do with Price or the indignity of not getting a chance to work out for MSU.

If the kid is good enough to even get consideration from MSU, he's going to at least have full scholarship offers from 1AA schools, if not a few Sun Belt and CUSA schools. It's not like if he doesn't get a look from MSU he won't get a chance to go to college. If he's good enough to get a look from MSU, he'll have his school paid for by someone. We're not talking about someone who is borderline D-2, where they might not be quite good enough to get a full D-2 ride and may have to play D-3 on a partial leadership scholarship. The guy is going to have an offer from someone if he's got good enough grades. It may not be a BCS level offer, but it'll be something, and last I checked, even 1AA schools offer just as good of an education, many of them better, than what you could get at MSU or Ole Miss.

 

[dawgstudent]

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[DowntownDawg]

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