Not very hard, but I have Trump figured out

[WVPATX]

Trump will say one or two or more stupid things a day. His ego may be bigger than Obama's, but it's close. Trump simply hates to lose. It's in his DNA. Obama was much, much better at controlling himself. Trump has almost no self control.

As stupid as it was, the crowd size was very important to him. Why, because if it wasn't than other Presidents beat him. The popular vote is meaningless, but to Trump it means a great deal. In this regard, he is a spoiled child that simply hasn't grown up.

But there is a second side to Trump, the businessman. He has been extraordinarily successful. He is masterful at media control. He has good instincts about the country since I suspect he has traveled around the country a great deal and has had to deal with people from all walks of life.

His policies reflect that understanding. The wall. Migrant control. Trade. Jobs, particularly high paying middle class jobs. Unions, since he has dealt with them his entire adult life. And he is instinctively pro police and pro military.

He is going to leverage everything in his power to enact his policies. Leverage in trade negotiations. Leverage in negotiations with Congress. Leverage in dealing with the U.N. and world allies and enemies. He is going to be bold because that is simply who he is. Bold and pompous.

The question is, who will be the adult in the room with him to lessen his baser instincts in his desire to lash out? He needs one.

I like most of his policies on taxes, repatriation, regulations, energy, law enforcement, infrastructure, education and inner city rebuilding. I am against his threats of tariffs (I much prefer incentives). I am in favor of his "American first" agenda. We must do what is in our country and our people's best interests. We can police the world and we certainly can't improve everyone else's economy at the expense of our own people.

So on some matters, I will be with him. On others, against him. He will be a one term President if the economy does not improve, if jobs aren't created in greater numbers than Obama's and if median income does not rise. The rest, while important, won't impact the next election as much. I will say this, if he helps to stop the inner city violence and provides real education opportunities for these inner city kids and helps to get many more jobs in inner cities, he will stand a chance to break the monopoly on the Dem control over the black vote. The same for union households that we saw the beginnings of during the last election.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Trump will say one or two or more stupid things a day. His ego may be bigger than Obama's, but it's close. Trump simply hates to lose. It's in his DNA. Obama was much, much better at controlling himself. Trump has almost no self control.

As stupid as it was, the crowd size was very important to him. Why, because if it wasn't than other Presidents beat him. The popular vote is meaningless, but to Trump it means a great deal. In this regard, he is a spoiled child that simply hasn't grown up.

But there is a second side to Trump, the businessman. He has been extraordinarily successful. He is masterful at media control. He has good instincts about the country since I suspect he has traveled around the country a great deal and has had to deal with people from all walks of life.

His policies reflect that understanding. The wall. Migrant control. Trade. Jobs, particularly high paying middle class jobs. Unions, since he has dealt with them his entire adult life. And he is instinctively pro police and pro military.

He is going to leverage everything in his power to enact his policies. Leverage in trade negotiations. Leverage in negotiations with Congress. Leverage in dealing with the U.N. and world allies and enemies. He is going to be bold because that is simply who he is. Bold and pompous.

The question is, who will be the adult in the room with him to lessen his baser instincts in his desire to lash out? He needs one.

I like most of his policies on taxes, repatriation, regulations, energy, law enforcement, infrastructure, education and inner city rebuilding. I am against his threats of tariffs (I much prefer incentives). I am in favor of his "American first" agenda. We must do what is in our country and our people's best interests. We can police the world and we certainly can't improve everyone else's economy at the expense of our own people.

So on some matters, I will be with him. On others, against him. He will be a one term President if the economy does not improve, if jobs aren't created in greater numbers than Obama's and if median income does not rise. The rest, while important, won't impact the next election as much. I will say this, if he helps to stop the inner city violence and provides real education opportunities for these inner city kids and helps to get many more jobs in inner cities, he will stand a chance to break the monopoly on the Dem control over the black vote. The same for union households that we saw the beginnings of during the last election.

We get the leaders we deserve. And you dumbasses who voted for him get a narcissistic blowhard with no self-control. Exactly the traits we need in a CiC. When he commented during the campaign about nukes being on the table and not being sure why other presidents haven't used them, it spoke volumes. But you dumbasses were too stupid to listen. My prediction for his presidency is that after about 2-3 years, he'll declare that he's fixed everything and hand the reigns over to Pence. Then he'll get back to reality tv like other dignified former politicians. And beauty pageants.

 

[bornaneer]

My prediction for his presidency is that after about 2-3 years, he'll declare that he's fixed everything and hand the reigns over to Pence.

Do you ever have an original thought ? I already suggested that possibility.

 

[op2]

I have given up trying to figure out Trump. I used to draw conclusions about him based on his actions, like concluding that he's an egomaniac for insisting that his inauguration crowd was large when it wasn't, but at this point there is nothing he can say or do that I don't respond to with "It could be part of a tactic."

He looks like an egomaniac on the surface and he may well be one but in addition to that I think there is more guile there than people realize. He often does stuff that looks incredibly stupid and yet it ends up for working for him. He's either being strategic in a way others can't detect or else he's just the luckiest person ever. I suppose that latter is possible but it seems unlikely so I'm going with the former.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Do you ever have an original thought ? I already suggested that possibility.

I rarely read your gibberish. You're like a kid who continuously spews nonsense. Seriously. You're in the category of robEERt , 82, and 2007 to me. You seldom make a good point and you certainly aren't funny. I'm not here to be dumbed down. No offense.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

I have given up trying to figure out Trump. I used to draw conclusions about him based on his actions, like concluding that he's an egomaniac for insisting that his inauguration crowd was large when it wasn't, but at this point there is nothing he can say or do that I don't respond to with "It could be part of a tactic."

He looks like an egomaniac on the surface and he may well be one but in addition to that I think there is more guile there than people realize. He often does stuff that looks incredibly stupid and yet it ends up for working for him. He's either being strategic in a way others can't detect or else he's just the luckiest person ever. I suppose that latter is possible but it seems unlikely so I'm going with the former.

He continues to claim he won an historical electoral landslide. And his victory ranked around 46th out of 58 presidential elections. Facts just aren't important to him and his followers. Propaganda is. That is why things work out for him. People are stupid and are happy to follow someone who tells them what they want to hear. The facts be damned. Colbert has a name for this....truthiness.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I'm not here to be dumbed down.

Not sure that would be possible

 

[bornaneer]

I rarely read your gibberish. You're like a kid who continuously spews nonsense. Seriously. You're in the category of robEERt , 82, and 2007 to me. You seldom make a good point and you certainly aren't funny. I'm not here to be dumbed down. No offense.

You need to have another talk with your OB/GYN. And as far as being dumbed down.......your Limbo bar is on its lowest position.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

He continues to claim he won an historical electoral landslide.

Why does that bother you all? I know it's not true, you know it's not true, but his win was historic in certain respects, just not those he claims. Breaking the blue wall was historic. Overcoming such a large gap in funding was historic. Creating new and inventive media strategies was historic. Overcoming the numerous gaffes was historic. His monopoly on the media was historic. The shear machine he created and groundswell of support he received on the Republican side was historic.

Moreover, why are you all picking these fights with him? There are seemingly numerous other items that should be given more consideration but you all are hell bent on falling for sideshow aspect of this. Don't think that isn't part of the plan. The old smoke and mirrors trick and you all are all too happy to jump on it like a ***** in heat.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Moreover, why are you all picking these fights with him? .

Because his statements defy reality. And that is disturbing. And indicative of his peronality traits (aka psychoses)

 

[WVUCOOPER]

I rarely read your gibberish. You're like a kid who continuously spews nonsense. Seriously. You're in the category of robEERt , 82, and 2007 to me. You seldom make a good point and you certainly aren't funny. I'm not here to be dumbed down. No offense.

Meh. I think Born's a good dude, just with some different views. Not even close to the buffoons of Bob and 82.

 

[bornaneer]

Because his statements defy reality.

Thats a good one......especially coming from you. I enjoy reading your posts.........we all should laugh more.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Because his statements defy reality. And that is disturbing. And indicative of his peronality traits (aka psychoses)

What is there to gain though? I can't see of anything. There are other very real items of substance that should be scrutinized by the press and the citizenry but there is a lack of focus on those items.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Thats a good one......especially coming from you. I enjoy reading your posts.........we all should laugh more.

His statements do defy reality. Largest inauguration crowd ever. 3-5 million illegal votes. We could do this all day long.

I'm trying to make less personal attacks on here and be more civil but take off your homer blinders, otherwise I will agree with RPJ that you are spewing nonsense.

 

[atlkvb]

He will be a one term President if the economy does not improve, if jobs aren't created in greater numbers than Obama's and if median income does not rise. The rest, while important, won't impact the next election as much. I will say this, if he helps to stop the inner city violence and provides real education opportunities for these inner city kids and helps to get many more jobs in inner cities, he will stand a chance to break the monopoly on the Dem control over the black vote.

All of these will define his Presidency (and re-election) but he also may prove to be the one "non politician" politician who fundamentally alters the political landscape in America for generations to come. If he accomplishes all you've mention here, we quite possibly could see an end to the far Left's control of the entire Democrat party.

If Blacks realign with blue color Whites, Hispanic Catholics who are anti-Abortion, Middle class Women, Conservative social activists (Supreme Court) and the financial/business sector....that's a Governing coalition that would be as formidable as the Romans' Empire around the time of Christ.

You talk about a "walking nightmare" for the Left? They might try to kill him first before they'll stand by helplessly and watch that happen or themselves be voted into historical irrelevance.

 

[atlkvb]

We get the leaders we deserve. And you dumbasses who voted for him get a narcissistic blowhard with no self-control. Exactly the traits we need in a CiC. When he commented during the campaign about nukes being on the table and not being sure why other presidents haven't used them, it spoke volumes. But you dumbasses were too stupid to listen. My prediction for his presidency is that after about 2-3 years, he'll declare that he's fixed everything and hand the reigns over to Pence. Then he'll get back to reality tv like other dignified former politicians. And beauty pageants.

If this is all you're worried about with him and you're on the Left spectrum of American politics, you do not realize what is happening to you or your Political philosophy.

Good.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

you do not realize what is happening to you or your Political philosophy.

Good.

Hahahahaha, exactly

 

[atlkvb]

He often does stuff that looks incredibly stupid and yet it ends up for working for him. He's either being strategic in a way others can't detect or else he's just the luckiest person ever. I suppose that latter is possible but it seems unlikely so I'm going with the former.

Smart. He's more clever than his opponents give him credit for, and he is constantly underestimated.

He says things figuratively that his opponents are literally aghast at. Yet his figurative actions are perfectly understood literally by his supporters.

It's why he has totally flummoxed the Media, Democrats, and the Left. They just don't understand him.

 

[bornaneer]

His statements do defy reality. Largest inauguration crowd ever. 3-5 million illegal votes. We could do this all day long.

I'm trying to make less personal attacks on here and be more civil but take off your homer blinders, otherwise I will agree with RPJ that you are spewing nonsense.

I never said a peep about Trumps comments in this thread. And I agree and have agreed with you and others that some of his comments defy reality. I think if you look at some of my past posts you will see that I have never understood why he says some of the things he says. Maybe you missed my post about why President Obama had such a tremendous turnout at his 2009 inauguration. My comments were about RPJ and not about trump.

 

[op2]

This stuff plays right into Trump's hands. Trump's most potent weapon seems to be his ability to make people that don't like him act crazy. What person that voted for Trump is going to look at this and say "Hmm, ya know, maybe I should have voted for Hilary instead?" Nobody.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/photo/protesters-hang-resist-banner-crane-near-white-house-n712056

 

[WVPATX]

All of these will define his Presidency (and re-election) but he also may prove to be the one "non politician" politician who fundamentally alters the political landscape in America for generations to come. If he accomplishes all you've mention here, we quite possibly could see an end to the far Left's control of the entire Democrat party.

If Blacks realign with blue color Whites, Hispanic Catholics who are anti-Abortion, Middle class Women, Conservative social activists (Supreme Court) and the financial/business sector....that's a Governing coalition that would be as formidable as the Romans' Empire around the time of Christ.

You talk about a "walking nightmare" for the Left? They might try to kill him first before they'll stand by helplessly and watch that happen or themselves be voted into historical irrelevance.

I think you hit the nail on the head. If Trump is successful, there will be a significant realignment of both parties. Trump is a populist with conservative leanings. Elite Conservatives don't like him but will go along because they like parts of his agenda. A realignment shift of just 10% or perhaps a little more of the Hispanic vote, the black vote and the union vote, creates enormous challenges for the Democrats.

If Trump is successful with immigration and within the inner cities, that spell significant trouble for Democrats.

 

[atlkvb]

Because his statements defy reality. And that is disturbing. And indicative of his peronality traits (aka psychoses)

RPJ (trust me I'm not giving you advice, I'm trying to get you to observe Political reality)

If you really care about your ideology...Left wing Leviathan Big Government Socialism & income redistribution...and I assume you do, what is your side's response to his minority outreach which I posted in detail on this board the other day? Do you realize the power he is about to unleash on behalf of poor Blacks and other minorities?

Do you understand that if Trump breaks through to the Black vote with his economic alternatives for their long sought after access to American Capital and educational opportunity that your side has been promising them for the last 50 years with NO RESULTS, your side is finished?

Democrats will never again win ANY elective Offices if Trump turns around the economic fortunes of poor Blacks and minorities. Now seriously ask yourself this question:

Does Trump have a track record that in any way gives you cause or a reason to worry about his potential for success in this outreach? If you think so, you'd better find an answer to him or get busy trying to figure out a way to stop him instead of calling him names or making jokes about him.

Just some friendly adversarial advice from a Black guy on the Right.

 

[atlkvb]

I think you hit the nail on the head. If Trump is successful, there will be a significant realignment of both parties. Trump is a populist with conservative leanings. Elite Conservatives don't like him but will go along because they like parts of his agenda. A realignment shift of just 10% or perhaps a little more of the Hispanic vote, the black vote and the union vote, creates enormous challenges for the Democrats.

If Trump is successful with immigration and within the inner cities, that spell significant trouble for Democrats.

I don't see it as a mere "adjustment" in the political alignments PAX. I see it as a fundamental rearrangement of traditional coalitions, and a Governing majority that will erase the Left as viable political force.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

I think you hit the nail on the head. If Trump is successful, there will be a significant realignment of both parties. Trump is a populist with conservative leanings. Elite Conservatives don't like him but will go along because they like parts of his agenda. A realignment shift of just 10% or perhaps a little more of the Hispanic vote, the black vote and the union vote, creates enormous challenges for the Democrats.

If Trump is successful with immigration and within the inner cities, that spell significant trouble for Democrats.

I agree with a lot of your post but Trump is not getting the Hispanic vote. They despise him. And completely shutting down immigration won't help.

 

[op2]

RPJ (trust me I'm not giving you advice, I'm trying to get you to observe Political reality)

If you really care about your ideology...Left wing Leviathan Big Government Socialism & income redistribution...and I assume you do, what is your side's response to his minority outreach which I posted in detail on this board the other day? do you realize the power he is about to unleash on behalf of poor Blacks and other minorities?

Do you understand that if Trump breaks through to the Black vote with his economic alternatives for their long sought after access to American Capital and educational opportunity that your side has been promising them for the last 50 years with NO RESULTS, your side is finished?

Democrats will never again win ANY elective Offices if Trump turns around the economic fortunes of poor Blacks and minorities. Now seriously ask yourself this question:

Does Trump have a track record that in any way gives you cause or a reason to worry about his potential for success in this outreach? If you think so, you'd better find an answer to him or get busy trying to figure out a way to stop him instead of calling him names or making jokes about him.

Just some friendly adversarial advice from a Black guy on the Right.

I don't think Trump is going to make big inroads with blacks and probably not even small inroads. But if he does okay in office but the over the top protests against him continues the he may make inroads in the middle of the political spectrum. And he won with only 46% to begin with so any further inroads he makes matters.

I think he's going to push buttons of those on the left to get them to react crazy to try to attract the middle of the political spectrum to his side.

 

[atlkvb]

I don't think Trump is going to make big inroads with blacks

If you've been wedded to the traditional approaches and failed economic promises of the Left to this group I honestly can understand why you'd feel this way. You're just used to promises being made that aren't kept.

If you haven't done so, I'd encourage you to read my post on Trump's strategy for minority outreach which I posted in detail here on the OT board the other day. I'm not looking for a pat on the back, but it is instructive about what Trump is up to and how he plans to attack poverty and poor education in his attempt to rebuild inner cities and address the concerns of Blacks and other minorities.

Remember, Trump is not from the political world. He's from the business world where the art of the deal, negotiation, leverage, and accomplishment define his "MO". Not craziness or buffoonery.

I don't expect you to think any of it will work, but I am seriously asking you what is the Left's answer to it?

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

accomplishment define his "MO". Not craziness or buffoonery.

[laughing][roll][laughing]

 

[va87eer]

Trump will say one or two or more stupid things a day. His ego may be bigger than Obama's, but it's close. Trump simply hates to lose. It's in his DNA. Obama was much, much better at controlling himself. Trump has almost no self control.

As stupid as it was, the crowd size was very important to him. Why, because if it wasn't than other Presidents beat him. The popular vote is meaningless, but to Trump it means a great deal. In this regard, he is a spoiled child that simply hasn't grown up.

But there is a second side to Trump, the businessman. He has been extraordinarily successful. He is masterful at media control. He has good instincts about the country since I suspect he has traveled around the country a great deal and has had to deal with people from all walks of life.

His policies reflect that understanding. The wall. Migrant control. Trade. Jobs, particularly high paying middle class jobs. Unions, since he has dealt with them his entire adult life. And he is instinctively pro police and pro military.

He is going to leverage everything in his power to enact his policies. Leverage in trade negotiations. Leverage in negotiations with Congress. Leverage in dealing with the U.N. and world allies and enemies. He is going to be bold because that is simply who he is. Bold and pompous.

The question is, who will be the adult in the room with him to lessen his baser instincts in his desire to lash out? He needs one.

I like most of his policies on taxes, repatriation, regulations, energy, law enforcement, infrastructure, education and inner city rebuilding. I am against his threats of tariffs (I much prefer incentives). I am in favor of his "American first" agenda. We must do what is in our country and our people's best interests. We can police the world and we certainly can't improve everyone else's economy at the expense of our own people.

So on some matters, I will be with him. On others, against him. He will be a one term President if the economy does not improve, if jobs aren't created in greater numbers than Obama's and if median income does not rise. The rest, while important, won't impact the next election as much. I will say this, if he helps to stop the inner city violence and provides real education opportunities for these inner city kids and helps to get many more jobs in inner cities, he will stand a chance to break the monopoly on the Dem control over the black vote. The same for union households that we saw the beginnings of during the last election.

Your assessment is spot on. He is a fighter who will do whatever he thinks it will take to get his way. If he has to punch first he will. He has to tell blatant lies that can easily be shown to be lies he will. There are some aspects of this personality that will serve him well, particularly on domestic issues. There are some aspects of this personality that will serve him well on foreign issues but there are also some that bring big risks. I'm not sure he has even a basic understanding of situations like Syria, the Ukraine, and the ongoing cool war within Europe between the US and Russia.

I am hoping that there are some adults in the room and that his advisers and supporters can get him to drop the stupidity about things that don't matter. Fox did a good job on the crowd size issue. It looks like there will be many, many more opportunities like that. I have a significant distrust of media but my distrust of politicians, especially of those who spend so much of their time trying to discredit the media, is even worse.

He has an opportunity that few politicians have. Independence from either political party while having support from a significant piece of the population. I hope he uses it wisely.

 

[WVPATX]

This stuff plays right into Trump's hands. Trump's most potent weapon seems to be his ability to make people that don't like him act crazy. What person that voted for Trump is going to look at this and say "Hmm, ya know, maybe I should have voted for Hilary instead?" Nobody.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/photo/protesters-hang-resist-banner-crane-near-white-house-n712056

I can understand Trump's unreal tweets during the campaign as a way to distract the media from controversies he wanted to avoid (e.g. the comments on the bus). So he tweets something outrageous and the media sees the new shiny toy and go after it.

But now, he should want the media to focus on his policy actions instead he says something stupid and the media ignores the policy and goes after the shiny object again. He needs much more discipline now so that the focus is on what he is actually accomplishing.

Libs will still hate it, but more Americans will not.

 

[WVPATX]

I agree with a lot of your post but Trump is not getting the Hispanic vote. They despise him. And completely shutting down immigration won't help.

Here is where I believe you may be wrong. Trump is going to get his wall and border security. But suppose he then deports all illegal aliens that have been convicted of felonies? Gets rid of inner city gangs made up of illegal aliens. Then suppose he initiate a policy of green cards for the remaining illegals if they pay a fine, speak English and have a job and for all their children? But no path to citizenship.

I think he wins over a lot of Hispanics because they too are being hurt by new illegals that bring down wages. They too are being hurt by crime and drugs in their communities.

Maybe this happens, maybe not. But it is not far fetched. And Hispanics are culturally conservative and very, very catholic.

 

[atlkvb]

[laughing][roll][laughing]

I think the reason many of you on the Left so underestimate him (and his supporters) is because you think they are all stupid. Blacks, Christians, non College educated White males, Economic elites, Racists, Homophobes, Sexists, etc.

Everyone is stupid...gullible, right? Arrogance

OK, so which side in this debate...you "smart people" on the Left, or your dumb 'knuckle-dragging" opponents on the Right... has the other side about to come unglued and practically tearing it's hair out trying to figure out why it's losing its political legitimacy?

Make fun of Trump, call him names, (and his supporters) and keep insisting you're the only smart ones in the room. When the test scores are collected and graded and posted, you will see smiles on the faces of who you call the "stupid" and frowns on the faces of you self described "smart people".

 

[WVPATX]

I don't think Trump is going to make big inroads with blacks and probably not even small inroads. But if he does okay in office but the over the top protests against him continues the he may make inroads in the middle of the political spectrum. And he won with only 46% to begin with so any further inroads he makes matters.

I think he's going to push buttons of those on the left to get them to react crazy to try to attract the middle of the political spectrum to his side.

I think his chances of pretty big inroads into the black community are better than you think. Dems have governed inner cities for 50 years or more. Their lives are not much better. Liberal programs have not worked.

If Trump creates jobs, reduces crime (he is going to start with Chicago), provides educational choice and uses infrastructure dollars to make improvements, he has a chance. Especially, if he works with people like Jim Brown, Ray Lewis, Martin Luther King, III, and other recognized black leaders.

 

[atlkvb]

[QUOTE="WVPATX, post: 1434860, member: 2180"]I think his chances of pretty big inroads into the black community are better than you think. Dems have governed inner cities for 50 years or more. Their lives are not much better. Liberal programs have not worked.

If Trump creates jobs, reduces crime (he is going to start with Chicago), provides educational choice and uses infrastructure dollars to make improvements, he has a chance. Especially, if he works with people like Jim Brown, Ray Lewis, Martin Luther King, III, and other recognized black leaders.[/QUOTE]


PAX I honestly think the reason many on the Left predict (hope) Trump will fail turning around inner cities doing the things you've mentioned is because of their racist attitudes they accuse Republicans of having.

They simply do not believe Blacks are capable of owning businesses, or educating their Children with vouchers, or eliminating crime with increased jobs & rebuilding or reconstruction of blighted areas unless someone on the Left is either directing all of that or doing it for them.

Their arrogance as well as false belief in Big Government income redistribution being the only way to address these issues is what will seal their fate in the Black community when Trump shows another way that's better and actually works.

 

[mneilmont]

Smart. He's more clever than his opponents give him credit for, and he is constantly underestimated.

He says things figuratively that his opponents are literally aghast at. Yet his figurative actions are perfectly understood literally by his supporters.

It's why he has totally flummoxed the Media, Democrats, and the Left. They just don't understand him.

I think you pretty well have the man pegged. If you listen to what he says, you are going to be really confused at the end of his term. As a good negotiator, he is not going to give the store away. He will mislead you to find your interest. He will then give you a piece of what you want to get all of what he wants. Liberals could get a hell of an education over the next 4-8 years by closing mouth and ears to see what he wants. Wise up or you will be talking to yourselves every time he kicks your ***. Look very long and hard at his first offer.

 

[op2]

Here is where I believe you may be wrong. Trump is going to get his wall and border security. But suppose he then deports all illegal aliens that have been convicted of felonies? Gets rid of inner city gangs made up of illegal aliens. Then suppose he initiate a policy of green cards for the remaining illegals if they pay a fine, speak English and have a job and for all their children? But no path to citizenship.

I think he wins over a lot of Hispanics because they too are being hurt by new illegals that bring down wages. They too are being hurt by crime and drugs in their communities.

Maybe this happens, maybe not. But it is not far fetched. And Hispanics are culturally conservative and very, very catholic.

The election results forced me to re-assess re. Trump and Hispanics. Romney (the nicest guy in the world) got 27% of the Hispanic vote. I assumed Trump would do way worse. But according to the exit polls he got 29%. It's all polling so we can't say for sure he actually got more than Rommey but he did get basically the same. That told me that although Hispanics didn't like Trump overall, they didn't figure he was any worse than Romney. IOW they didn't completely buy all the stuff in the media about how scary Trump was.

So now he's going to build the wall and do whatever. If he does all this stuff in a xenophobic way then he can lose Hispanics even worse next time but if he does it in a way that emphasizes the law and order aspects and makes an appeal to fairness he could make headway with Hispanics, who as someone else noted are typically culturally conservative to begin with.

Trump also has to contend with the far right people that are against illegal immigration no only because it's against law and order but because they "don't like Mexicans." If he can prevent those people from getting ugly while simultaneously actually improving border security and making an appeal that he's being fair then I think he can make headway with Latinos.

 

[atlkvb]

RPJ (trust me I'm not giving you advice, I'm trying to get you to observe Political reality)

If you really care about your ideology...Left wing Leviathan Big Government Socialism & income redistribution...and I assume you do, what is your side's response to his minority outreach which I posted in detail on this board the other day? Do you realize the power he is about to unleash on behalf of poor Blacks and other minorities?

Do you understand that if Trump breaks through to the Black vote with his economic alternatives for their long sought after access to American Capital and educational opportunity that your side has been promising them for the last 50 years with NO RESULTS, your side is finished?

Democrats will never again win ANY elective Offices if Trump turns around the economic fortunes of poor Blacks and minorities. Now seriously ask yourself this question:

Does Trump have a track record that in any way gives you cause or a reason to worry about his potential for success in this outreach? If you think so, you'd better find an answer to him or get busy trying to figure out a way to stop him instead of calling him names or making jokes about him.

Just some friendly adversarial advice from a Black guy on the Right.

I'd also genuinely be interested in hearing what the Left's alternative to Trump's initiatives are? None of you have responded to that post, or you simply don't know (or maybe you haven't read it) but if any of you have a better plan on the Left to address the chronic unemployment, lack of education and job training/ownership skills so prevalent in inner cities let's hear it?

Otherwise, you're about to get blown away by Trump's initiatives and you will loose your grip on the Black vote.

I will not be unhappy.

 

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I'd also genuinely be interested in hearing what the Left's alternative to Trump's initiatives are? None of you have responded to that post, or you simply don't know (or maybe you haven't read it) but if any of you have a better plan on the Left to address the chronic unemployment, lack of education and job training/ownership skills so prevalent in inner cities let's hear it?

Otherwise, you're about to get blown away by Trump's initiatives and you will loose your grip on the Black vote.

I will not be unhappy.

I don't know of any plans has for the inner cities and I think if it was that simple it would have been done long ago After the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964 the Democrats have gotten at least 85% in POTUS elections every time since and if that's going to change it's going to change slowly. Trump got 8% this time and I think if he got 15% in 2020 that would be a giant improvement. I doubt he'll even get that.

It is gong to take a long time for the GOP to create enough trust of blacks to greatly increase their percentage of the vote, assuming it ever happens at all. I think Hispanics are a much more likely group for the GOP to make gains in assuming they can keep the xenophobes away.

 

[atlkvb]

I think you pretty well have the man pegged. If you listen to what he says, you are going to be really confused at the end of his term. As a good negotiator, he is not going to give the store away. He will mislead you to find your interest. He will then give you a piece of what you want to get all of what he wants. Liberals could get a hell of an education over the next 4-8 years by closing mouth and ears to see what he wants. Wise up or you will be talking to yourselves every time he kicks your ***. Look very long and hard at his first offer.

You've sure explained his "MO" here better than I did mneilmont, and the Left continues to underestimate him.

Just like the ones on this board who only think he's simply a blowhard or a stupid, self serving, narcissistic, misogynistic, thin skinned idiot.

They call him names and make fun of him all the while he's busy kicking their worthless Leftist political asses.

 

[WVPATX]

I don't know of any plans has for the inner cities and I think if it was that simple it would have been done long ago After the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964 the Democrats have gotten at least 85% in POTUS elections every time since and if that's going to change it's going to change slowly. Trump got 8% this time and I think if he got 15% in 2020 that would be a giant improvement. I doubt he'll even get that.

It is gong to take a long time for the GOP to create enough trust of blacks to greatly increase their percentage of the vote, assuming it ever happens at all. I think Hispanics are a much more likely group for the GOP to make gains in assuming they can keep the xenophobes away.

I think you are incorrect and here is why. The inner cities in many cases are a disaster. Crime. Drugs. Drop out rates. Terrible schools. Poverty. Hopelessness. Blacks have been promised by Dems they will fix it. They haven't. In many ways, life is worse.

If Trump makes improvement in Chicago death rates, for example, that is a big deal. If Trump deports criminal illegal alien gang members, that is a big deal. If Trump gets school choice, vouchers, charter schools etc. for inner cities, that is a big deal (it is very popular in the black community). If rebuilding occurs and some jobs created, that is a big deal. It is so bad now in many places, small changes look huge.

And even if Trump only gets up to 15% of the black vote, it really, really hurts the Dems. I think he can do better than that if he succeeds.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

This stuff plays right into Trump's hands. Trump's most potent weapon seems to be his ability to make people that don't like him act crazy. What person that voted for Trump is going to look at this and say "Hmm, ya know, maybe I should have voted for Hilary instead?" Nobody.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/photo/protesters-hang-resist-banner-crane-near-white-house-n712056

Basically because she want a viable option.