Not very hard, but I have Trump figured out

op2

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I think you are incorrect and here is why. The inner cities in many cases are a disaster. Crime. Drugs. Drop out rates. Terrible schools. Poverty. Hopelessness. Blacks have been promised by Dems they will fix it. They haven't. In many ways, life is worse.

If Trump makes improvement in Chicago death rates, for example, that is a big deal. If Trump deports criminal illegal alien gang members, that is a big deal. If Trump gets school choice, vouchers, charter schools etc. for inner cities, that is a big deal (it is very popular in the black community). If rebuilding occurs and some jobs created, that is a big deal. It is so bad now in many places, small changes look huge.

And even if Trump only gets up to 15% of the black vote, it really, really hurts the Dems. I think he can do better than that if he succeeds.

If Trump gets more than 15% of the black vote in 2020 then it will be the first time in 60 years a GOP candidate got that much and it would be the candidate that just four years earlier (2016) went into office with people crying "racist" and whatnot. If he can do that then it'll be the political story of the decade. I suppose anything is possible but I'm highly doubtful it will occur.
 

atlkvb

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I don't know of any plans has for the inner cities and I think if it was that simple it would have been done long ago After the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964 the Democrats have gotten at least 85% in POTUS elections every time since and if that's going to change it's going to change slowly. Trump got 8% this time and I think if he got 15% in 2020 that would be a giant improvement. I doubt he'll even get that.

It is gong to take a long time for the GOP to create enough trust of blacks to greatly increase their percentage of the vote, assuming it ever happens at all. I think Hispanics are a much more likely group for the GOP to make gains in assuming they can keep the xenophobes away.


You think so Op2?

Read this (I posted it the other day)

WVPATX said:
"Identity politics." It has been a Dem political strategy for a long, long time
The radio ads here in Atlanta during the campaign were all about "Republicans want to take away our right to vote" or "if Trump's elected, we could lose everything we've fought so hard for since Dr. King fought for and secured our civil rights"

Never mind that Black citizen's "civil rights" were already codified in the Constitution, and the 1964 Civil Rights Act simply more clearly defined how those rights would be protected under the Law.

Trump's strategy for dealing with chronic unemployment and underemployment among Black youth (which spiraled under Obama) is to foster public/private business partnerships with outreach groups like CORE (Congress on Racial Equality) 100 Black Businessmen, the Philip Randolph Institute, AABE (American Association of Blacks in Energy) AHBAI (American Health and Beauty Aids Institute) BAE (Black Agency Executives) and a host of others too numerous to list here, to build strategies and consensus towards addressing the issues needed to increase work skills, attitudes, and develop business opportunities for minority youth and Black owned and operated enterprises. Here is the entire list of outreach groups:
http://www.tnj.com/lists-resources/black-organizations-and-organizations-serving-black-communities

Dr. Ben Carson (nominee for HUD Secretary) will spearhead many of these initiatives, and through uses of strategies such as tax free enterprise zones, relaxation of capital requirements for small community lending institutions, venture capital outreaches among private investors to create funding mechanisms for minority owned businesses, and a variety of other training and education outreaches to both educate and inspire Blacks to become self-sufficient in the free market economy.

All of this outreach is not only exciting, but it is anathema to the Left, which does not want to see Blacks owning their own businesses or creating their own economic futures without Democrat party politicians pulling the strings.... the exact "identity politics" PAX has mentioned, which Democrats use to control the 95% Black vote they are guaranteed. Mark my words, they will oppose ALL of these admirable outreach initiatives because if they are successful, it will mean an end to Democrat monopoly of the Black vote.

Now you Leftists can not believe what either I or PAX are saying about how your side operates when it comes to race and gender, but ask yourselves... do you see ANY support among the Democrats or anyone on the Left for any of these initiatives that do not involve more Government spending or social programs?

When you find them, post it.

What you will more easily find that you will probably also eagerly post, is their continued use of these exact identity politics & tactics to divide along racial lines, and call racial bigotry out against anyone who does not support their Big Government social agenda to keep Blacks dependent on Democrat handouts and Black votes for Left wing Democrats.
 
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bamaEER

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We get the leaders we deserve. And you dumbasses who voted for him get a narcissistic blowhard with no self-control. Exactly the traits we need in a CiC. When he commented during the campaign about nukes being on the table and not being sure why other presidents haven't used them, it spoke volumes. But you dumbasses were too stupid to listen. My prediction for his presidency is that after about 2-3 years, he'll declare that he's fixed everything and hand the reigns over to Pence. Then he'll get back to reality tv like other dignified former politicians. And beauty pageants.
I see this as a giant political enema.
 

atlkvb

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If Trump gets more than 15% of the black vote in 2020 then it will be the first time in 60 years a GOP candidate got that much and it would be the candidate that just four years earlier (2016) went into office with people crying "racist" and whatnot. If he can do that then it'll be the political story of the decade. I suppose anything is possible but I'm highly doubtful it will occur.

The Media is not accurately reporting to you how much support there already is in the Black community for many of Trump's policies. Two in particular, School choice vouchers (blocked by the Left and Teacher Unions) and Tax free enterprise zones...(where minority owned businesses can be set up and operated not owing Federal income taxes for a set aside number of years)

There is a reason they don't report Black community support for these initiatives. It kills Democrat Left wing support among Blacks.

But as I re-posted in this thread from an earlier thread, there is a determined effort Trump has planned to reverse that voting trend, and it will work.
 

atlkvb

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I agree with a lot of your post but Trump is not getting the Hispanic vote. They despise him. And completely shutting down immigration won't help.


countryroads89 if you think Trump cannot win Hispanic votes what is the Left's strategy to keep them?

Answer that for Blacks too if you want to.

(see a re-post of mine earlier in this thread to suggest the Left's alternatives to what Trump plans)
 
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atlkvb

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I don't know of any plans has for the inner cities and I think if it was that simple it would have been done long ago After the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964 the Democrats have gotten at least 85% in POTUS elections every time since and if that's going to change it's going to change slowly. Trump got 8% this time and I think if he got 15% in 2020 that would be a giant improvement. I doubt he'll even get that.

It is gong to take a long time for the GOP to create enough trust of blacks to greatly increase their percentage of the vote, assuming it ever happens at all. I think Hispanics are a much more likely group for the GOP to make gains in assuming they can keep the xenophobes away.


I re-posted his strategy in this thread (scroll up) read it, then tell me what the Left's alternative is?
 

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countryroads89 if you think Trump cannot win Hispanic votes what is the Left's strategy to keep them?

Answer that for Blacks too if you want to.

(see a re-post of mine earlier in this thread to offer the Left's alternatives to what Trump plans)
I'll admit, I'm shocked at the reversal within the black community I've seen already with Trump. The problem in the left identifying this occurring is because they are listening to the kook fringe that is trying to secure the block through hand outs.
 

atlkvb

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I'll admit, I'm shocked at the reversal within the black community I've seen already with Trump. The problem in the left identifying this occurring is because they are listening to the kook fringe that is trying to secure the block through hand outs.

Yup, they're listening to the same "fake media" that told them Hillary couldn't loose.

DvlDog4WVU, Blacks are tired of the SOS from the Left & Dems. The media doesn't report on this rift, but trust me it is real. Blacks bleed red and spend green. Trumps knows this (he said so in his inaugural speech, and the media panned him) so he is designing policies to address their legitimate desires as Americans.

The Left is still busy trying to convince them (Blacks) Trump's a racist.