Note to self: Stay out of Saudi Arabia. Link. *

[MountaineerWV]

Ok, I see you want to get into this. Billy Clinton was accused of rape by Juanita Broaddrick. She has contemporaneous witnesses that buttress her story. Lisa Myers of NBC is still very upset with NBC because they would not air her reporting on the rape. Then we have the assaults. Paula Jones, $850K richer. Kathleen WIlley, accosted in the Oval Office. Intern sex in the Oval Office.

You can read about LBJ's demented behavior below:

http://potus-geeks.livejournal.com/694586.html

JFK, many, many affairs. Then we have Mimi Alford telling that while an 18 year old intern she had sex with JFK and he even forced her to have sex with other men while he watched. Sick. I can get more if you like.

Why are you thinking I'm defending Bill or JFK or LBJ? You keep using the words "accused"........You do know the difference between accused and convicted, right?

Since you are hellbent to make this a Democrat only lovefest, see below as far as most recent events. And notice, I even copied and pasted the Democrats who did the dirty deed as well.......

Many are involved with "staffers"........kind of destroys your claim that it was only JFK, LBJ, and Bill......

• Mark Souder, Representative (R-IN), a staunch advocate of abstinence and family values,[124][125] resigned to avoid an ethics investigation into his admitted extramarital affair with a female staffer. (2010)[126][127][128]
• Chris Lee, Representative (R-NY), resigned hours after a news report that he had sent a shirtless picture of himself flexing his muscles to a woman via Craigslist, along with flirtatious e-mails.[129] He did not rely on a pseudonym or a false e-mail address but used his official Congressional e-mail for all communication. Lee said: "I regret the harm that my actions have caused my family, my staff and my constituents.... I have made profound mistakes and I promise to work as hard as I can to seek their forgiveness.”[130] (2011)
• Anthony Weiner Representative (D-NY), admitted to sending sexually suggestive photos of himself to several women through his Twitter account.[131] He resigned from Congress on June 16, 2011,[132] but kept sexting after his resignation.[133] (2011)
• Scott DesJarlais, Representative (R-TN), admitted under oath to at least six affairs, including two affairs with his patients and staffers while he was a physician Grandview Medical Center in Jasper, TN. Additionally, while running on a pro-life platform, DesJarlais made his ex-wife have two abortions, and tried to persuade a mistress who was his patient, into an abortion as well.[134][135][136]
• David Wu, Representative (D-OR), resigned from the House of Representatives after being accused of making unwanted sexual advances toward a fundraiser's daughter. July 26, 2011.[137][138]
• Vance McAllister, Representative (R-LA), who is married and the father of five, was caught on surveillance camera deeply kissing a married staffer. Several prominent Republicans asked McAllister to resign. In response, he stated he would not seek re-election in 2016.[139][140] McCallister said: "There's no doubt I've fallen short and I'm asking for forgiveness. I’m asking for forgiveness from God, my wife, my kids, my staff, and my constituents who elected me to serve". (2014)[141]
• Denny Hastert, former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives (R-IL), pled guilty to structuring bank withdrawals in order to conceal deliberately-unspecified misconduct by Hastert against an unnamed individual years earlier.[142] At a sentencing hearing in October 2015, Hastert admitted that he had sexually abused boys while he worked as a high school wrestling coach decades earlier. (2015)[143][144]

 

[WVPATX]

Why are you thinking I'm defending Bill or JFK or LBJ? You keep using the words "accused"........You do know the difference between accused and convicted, right?

Since you are hellbent to make this a Democrat only lovefest, see below as far as most recent events. And notice, I even copied and pasted the Democrats who did the dirty deed as well.......

Many are involved with "staffers"........kind of destroys your claim that it was only JFK, LBJ, and Bill......

• Mark Souder, Representative (R-IN), a staunch advocate of abstinence and family values,[124][125] resigned to avoid an ethics investigation into his admitted extramarital affair with a female staffer. (2010)[126][127][128]
• Chris Lee, Representative (R-NY), resigned hours after a news report that he had sent a shirtless picture of himself flexing his muscles to a woman via Craigslist, along with flirtatious e-mails.[129] He did not rely on a pseudonym or a false e-mail address but used his official Congressional e-mail for all communication. Lee said: "I regret the harm that my actions have caused my family, my staff and my constituents.... I have made profound mistakes and I promise to work as hard as I can to seek their forgiveness.”[130] (2011)
• Anthony Weiner Representative (D-NY), admitted to sending sexually suggestive photos of himself to several women through his Twitter account.[131] He resigned from Congress on June 16, 2011,[132] but kept sexting after his resignation.[133] (2011)
• Scott DesJarlais, Representative (R-TN), admitted under oath to at least six affairs, including two affairs with his patients and staffers while he was a physician Grandview Medical Center in Jasper, TN. Additionally, while running on a pro-life platform, DesJarlais made his ex-wife have two abortions, and tried to persuade a mistress who was his patient, into an abortion as well.[134][135][136]
• David Wu, Representative (D-OR), resigned from the House of Representatives after being accused of making unwanted sexual advances toward a fundraiser's daughter. July 26, 2011.[137][138]
• Vance McAllister, Representative (R-LA), who is married and the father of five, was caught on surveillance camera deeply kissing a married staffer. Several prominent Republicans asked McAllister to resign. In response, he stated he would not seek re-election in 2016.[139][140] McCallister said: "There's no doubt I've fallen short and I'm asking for forgiveness. I’m asking for forgiveness from God, my wife, my kids, my staff, and my constituents who elected me to serve". (2014)[141]
• Denny Hastert, former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives (R-IL), pled guilty to structuring bank withdrawals in order to conceal deliberately-unspecified misconduct by Hastert against an unnamed individual years earlier.[142] At a sentencing hearing in October 2015, Hastert admitted that he had sexually abused boys while he worked as a high school wrestling coach decades earlier. (2015)[143][144]

The original discussion was about Trump's comments from that bus. I simply pointed out the hypocrisy on the left considering their supported for noted rapists and assaulters of both women and interns. Not sure why you are now deflecting onto something else.

If you stay focused on those comments on the bus, expect to get pushback from all the Dem Presidents I highlighted. Their behavior was far, far worse and the Dems still support them.

 

[MountaineerWV]

The original discussion was about Trump's comments from that bus. I simply pointed out the hypocrisy on the left considering their supported for noted rapists and assaulters of both women and interns. Not sure why you are now deflecting onto something else.

If you stay focused on those comments on the bus, expect to get pushback from all the Dem Presidents I highlighted. Their behavior was far, far worse and the Dems still support them.

Deflecting? Your are the one that freaking said "you want to debate this".......now that the tide has turned, it's a different story. Here are some more of our lovely federal officials and their sex scandals (Republicans and Democrats)....notice how some were staunchly against Bill Clinton for his actions, yet were caught doing the very same things as well.....

• Gary Condit, Representative (D-CA): his affair with 23-year-old intern Chandra Levy was exposed after Levy disappeared. Her body was found a year later and in 2008, an illegal immigrant with no relation to Condit was charged with her murder.[88] Condit had often demanded that Bill Clinton "come clean" about his affair with Monica Lewinsky. (2001)[89]
• Ed Schrock, Representative (R-VA), announced he would abort his 2004 attempt for a third term in Congress after allegedly being caught on tape soliciting sex from a male prostitute after having aggressively opposed various gay-rights issues in Congress, such as same-sex marriage and gays in the military.[90]
• Strom Thurmond, Senator (R-SC), noted segregationist, fathered a child, Essie Mae Washington-Williams, with a 15-year-old African American in 1925 who was employed by the Thurmond family. (2003)[91]
• Steven C. LaTourette, Representative (R-OH), was elected in 1994 and had voted to impeach Bill Clinton for the Lewinsky scandal. He himself had a long-term affair with his chief of staff, Jennifer Laptook, while he was married. He married Laptook after his divorce. (2003)[92]
• David Dreier, Representative (R-CA), voted against a number of gay rights proposals, but was outed concerning his relationship with his chief of staff. (2004)[93] He is featured in the 2009 documentary film Outrage.
• Don Sherwood, Representative (R-PA), failed to win re-election following revelations of a five-year extramarital affair with Cynthia Ore, who accused him of physically abusing her. (2004)[94]
• Mark Foley, Representative (R-FL), resigned his House seat when accused of sending sexually explicit e-mails to teenage male congressional pages. He was replaced by Tim Mahoney. (2006)[95]
• David Vitter, Senator (R-LA), took over the House seat of former Congressman Robert Livingston, who resigned in 1999 following revelations of an extramarital affair. At the time, Vitter stated, "I think Livingston's stepping down makes a very powerful argument that (Bill) Clinton should resign as well...."[96] Vitters' name was then discovered in the address book of the DC Madam Deborah Jeane Palfrey. (2007)[97]
• Randall L. Tobias (R), Deputy Secretary of State and former "AIDS Czar" appointed by George W. Bush, stated that U.S. funds should be denied to countries that permitted prostitution.[98] He resigned on April 27, 2007, after confirming that he had been a customer of Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the DC Madam.[99]
• Larry Craig (R-ID) a US Senator for 18 years, was apprehended and arrested on June 11, 2007, with a charge of lewd conduct in a men's restroom at the International Airport in Minneapolis-St. Paul.[100][101][102] He did plead guilty to the lesser charge of disorderly conduct, but changed his mind and tried to revoke the guilty plea.[103][104][105] He announced his resignation three months later on September 1, 2007, but changed his mind again, although he did not seek re-election in 2008. (2007) [106][107][108][109][110][111][112][113]
• Tim Mahoney, Representative (D-FL) was elected to the seat of Mark Foley, who had resigned following sexual harassment charges from his congressional interns. Mahoney ran on a campaign promise to make "a world that is safer, more moral". In October 2008, he admitted he placed his mistress on his staff and then fired her, saying, "You work at my pleasure." He then admitted to multiple other affairs.[114]
• Vito Fossella, Representative (R-NY), was arrested for drunken driving. Under questioning, the married Congressman and father of three admitted to an affair with Laura Fay that produced a daughter. (2008)[115]
• John Edwards, Senator (D-NC), admitted to an extramarital affair with actress and film producer Rielle Hunter, which produced a child, seriously undercutting his 2008 presidential campaign.[116] (see federal political scandals)
• John Ensign, Senator (R-NV), resigned his position as chairman of the Senate Republican Policy Committee on June 16, 2009, after admitting he had an affair with the wife of a close friend, both of whom were working on his campaign.[117] Under investigation, he then resigned his Senate seat 20 months early in 2011[118] In 1998, Senator Ensign had called for President Bill Clinton (D) to resign after admitting to sexual acts with Monica Lewinsky. (2009)[119]
• Chip Pickering, Representative (R-MS): on July 16, 2009, it was announced that his wife had filed an alienation of affection lawsuit against a woman with whom Chip allegedly had an affair.[120] The lawsuit claimed the adulterous relationship ruined the Pickerings' marriage and his political career. (2009)[121]

 

[MountaineerWV]

For clarification, did you not say this:

If you really want to get down to facts, we can go there, but I don't think you do. You would lose.

 

[EEResistable]

Yeah, I know what you mean. This one time, I went to a church and afterwards they had prepared a nice dinner for everyone. Then I found out that my wife was not allowed to eat until I had FINISHED my meal. All men were told to eat, and sit, while the women served us and then they got what was left over. Oh, this wasn't in Saudi Arabia either.

Not defending Saudi Arabia at all, my point is clearly that ALL religious sects have peculiar "rules" regarding women.

Where was this?

 

[MountaineerWV]

The original discussion was about Trump's comments from that bus. I simply pointed out the hypocrisy on the left considering their supported for noted rapists and assaulters of both women and interns. Not sure why you are now deflecting onto something else.

If you stay focused on those comments on the bus, expect to get pushback from all the Dem Presidents I highlighted. Their behavior was far, far worse and the Dems still support them.

Please, provide me with the link where Bill, LBJ, or JFK were convicted of rape or assault?

 

[WVPATX]

Please, provide me with the link where Bill, LBJ, or JFK were convicted of rape or assault?

Give me a break. Convicted? Clinton paid out huge money and lost his law license. No one is disputing anything about JFK's intern's book (which is even worse than Clinton's activities in the Oval Office) or his many, many affairs. The Wash Post reported on LBJ's escapades.

Shocking that you would even compare Trump's bus comments to these actual actions.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Shocking that you would even compare Trump's bus comments to these actual actions.

What the HELL are you talking about? I didn't even bring up Trump.......AT ALL! You are delusional. I simply put out there the OTHER federal officials caught up in sexual misconduct or affairs, both Republican and Democrat. You, on the other hand, only focused on THREE Democrats.

And if you want to claim that Bill "paid off" people.....well.....could someone make that same claim about the Don?

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

It's a big country so I'm sure there are outliers here and there but by and large Christians don't do the extremely crazy stuff like they do in SA.

Here's the problem in an outline.

1. For a long time we had a Christian-dominated country. And we had the gender roles we had.

2. Then came the 60s and 70s and the feminist movement (among other changes in society, but I'm focusing on this one for now). By those particular feminism standards the gender roles in our Christian-dominated country were archaic and sexist and all that stuff. And the feminist movement let everyone know it, and without finesse. It was in your face.

3. And the thing is, it worked. The country is now very different with regards to women's roles. Even people that are socially conservative today would consider the roles of women 60 or 80 years ago to be backwards. In other words, feminism (in the form of equality of the sexes) won. And that's a good thing. We're better off for it.

4. Then eventually Islam becomes an issue. The reality is that, the way Muslims treat women as a whole today is not only as bad as the Christian-dominated US treated women 60 or 80 years ago, it's much worse. I'm talking on the whole. There are progressive Muslims here and there but "conservative Christian" and "conservative Muslim" mean two completely different things. By the standards modern feminism has put into place in the US, Muslims attitudes towards women on the whole (again, "on the whole") are backwards and extremely sexist.

5. But some people in the US for some strange reason don't think the standard for treating women that has become firmly established in this country should apply to Muslims. This comes off as (1) sexist, because feminism won in the US and thus treating women this way is seen as sexist and (2) hypocritical, because we've just come off of several decades of Christians getting battered for treating women 10 units of bad but now people are being called Islamophobes for saying it's wrong for Muslims to treat women 10,000 units of bad.

It comes down to having standards. Do you have them or don't you? If you don't apply your standards uniformly then you don't have standards at all. You can't call someone sexist for a little bit of sexism and then not call someone else sexist for a lot of sexism.

And I think that is why so many are angry with the Left and it's one reason Hilary lost the election. She's having her picture taken wearing a hijab to somehow show solidarity? Really? The hijab is probably the single most prominent symbol of female oppression in the world today. You can't go through a political career championing women's rights and then start normalizing social behavior that forces women to wear a tent without getting a negative reaction.

Two additional point:

1) Christianity led the way regarding women's. Private property ownership by women came about because of Christianity. The women's sufferage movement was a Christian movement closely tied to abolition.

2) Unfortunately it was too often Christian against Christian for the proper respect of rights. There are Christians who receive the Bible as a guide for their beliefs and life. There are Christians who use the Bible to justify there their beliefs and life. Over time the receivers always overcome the justifiers.

 

[wvu2007]

I have never seen anything like that my entire life. We always have women and children get their food first.

He's lying. He's an ISIS supporter.

 

[WVPATX]

What the HELL are you talking about? I didn't even bring up Trump.......AT ALL! You are delusional. I simply put out there the OTHER federal officials caught up in sexual misconduct or affairs, both Republican and Democrat. You, on the other hand, only focused on THREE Democrats.

And if you want to claim that Bill "paid off" people.....well.....could someone make that same claim about the Don?

You inserted yourself after Boreman mentioned Trump's bus comments by bringing up Eisenhower. That is when you got involved. I am focused on Presidents since that is what we were talking about. First Boreman than you.

Like I said before, it you want to go after Trump with women, do so. But be prepared to defend Dem Presidents who did far worse.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]