It seems everyone's on the same page as long as we suck. But let a program actually have some success, even long sustained success, and the fanbase will soon fracture as one group will bemoan and point out incessently that we're just not successful enough. Sometimes I wonder if people would be happier if we just completely sucked if we can't run the table.
Nothing like a succesful program to divide our fanbase
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It seems everyone's on the same page as long as we suck. But let a program actually have some success, even long sustained success, and the fanbase will soon fracture as one group will bemoan and point out incessently that we're just not successful enough. Sometimes I wonder if people would be happier if we just completely sucked if we can't run the table.
It seems everyone's on the same page as long as we suck. But let a program actually have some success, even long sustained success, and the fanbase will soon fracture as one group will bemoan and point out incessently that we're just not successful enough. Sometimes I wonder if people would be happier if we just completely sucked if we can't run the table.
It seems everyone's on the same page as long as we suck. But let a program actually have some success, even long sustained success, and the fanbase will soon fracture as one group will bemoan and point out incessently that we're just not successful enough. Sometimes I wonder if people would be happier if we just completely sucked if we can't run the table.
because we have yet to take the next step. Just like in 2000, people were getting somewhat anxious to stop going to Independence Bowls and take the next step as a football program. We saw where football went and that is one reason why I am apprehensive to even have a thought about getting rid of Stansbury.
I have do not want to fire Stans, I just want his *** to be a better coach and if he can't then he needs to hire an assistant who can help him with the offensive side of the ball. He has to know that that is his main liability as a coach. It's time to ditch the damn motion offense and try something else as your go to option, but he lacks the knowledge and ability to implement such. He should have gotten over the hump by now in the Big Dance and made it to the Sweet 16.
your position gives credibility to the anti-Stansbury faction. The man that took us to several mid/lower tier bowls ran his course and sent the program on a downward spiral we have yet to come out of. The reasons why are complicated but questionable recruiting was certainly one.
When I look at the basketball program, I see similarities. And I'm absolutely a Stansbury fan.
When I look at the basketball program, I see similarities. And I'm absolutely a Stansbury fan.
for recruiting better players and maybe even coaches if necessary. I think alot of us just feel like the program has plateaued under RS, and it might take someone else to get us to the next level. You have to admit that everyone knows what RS is going to do offensively regardless of what defense our opponent is in at the time, thumb up, thumb down, or index finger up with a rotating motion, take your pick. You made the comparison in football, but that is different because before JWS came to State we were not a bleep on the radar for conference or bowl contention. In bball, we have been over the last 8-10 years, but we absolutely suck in the tourney. There is the disconnect, JWS could recruit and coach, but RS can only recruit and shows glimpses at times that he can coach but never consistent against well coached teams.
Our facilities and the atmosphere that surrounds our basketball program has alot to do with RS, and that is greatly appreciated, but there needs to be more accountability for the shortcomings in the post season. Why not shake up the assistants, if you want to keep RS?
Our facilities and the atmosphere that surrounds our basketball program has alot to do with RS, and that is greatly appreciated, but there needs to be more accountability for the shortcomings in the post season. Why not shake up the assistants, if you want to keep RS?
Things can turn south in a hurry. Then again, he could turn the corner this year and become great.
Something to chew on: Jackie's fall came after about 10 years at MSU. Stan's has been HC about the same amount of time.
Something to chew on: Jackie's fall came after about 10 years at MSU. Stan's has been HC about the same amount of time.
It's the inconsistency that is so maddening to me. We can look great offensively at times, even in motion, then at times it is like watching the West Coast offense. We have had good defensive seasons, not just games, then there are periods where it is like watching a Ron Cooper defense. I have no idea what the identity of this team is or will turn out to be. Almost nothing would shock me.
...is on Internet messageboards.
You have a small percentage of the MSU fanbase posting on sixpackspeak.com & genespage.
Then you have maybe a dozen anti-everything bitchers & whiners driving the dialogue on sixpackspeak.com & genespage.
Just because coach34 posts here 15 times a day & uses 13 of those posts to bash Stansbury, that does not mean coach34 speaks for a majority of the MSU fanbase.
coach34 & his small cabal of messageboard asshats do not speak for anybody but the tiny minority of nutcases within the MSU fanbase.
I would speculate that if you polled 50,000 MSU fans about Stansbury, around 80% of those polled would be pro-Stansbury.
You have a small percentage of the MSU fanbase posting on sixpackspeak.com & genespage.
Then you have maybe a dozen anti-everything bitchers & whiners driving the dialogue on sixpackspeak.com & genespage.
Just because coach34 posts here 15 times a day & uses 13 of those posts to bash Stansbury, that does not mean coach34 speaks for a majority of the MSU fanbase.
coach34 & his small cabal of messageboard asshats do not speak for anybody but the tiny minority of nutcases within the MSU fanbase.
I would speculate that if you polled 50,000 MSU fans about Stansbury, around 80% of those polled would be pro-Stansbury.
I would say 80 to 90% and half of those who whine are simply reading message boards and don't have a clue. Fish talks about our offense and yet we normally shoot the ball with a high percentage. we lost our first game due to bad defense, yet Stans teams have always defended decently based on our oppnents shooting percentages. Anybody who has ever played the game knows that teams have bad nights. I will still put my money on Stans and his staff and if we ever came close to his success in basketball with our football program, these same folks who love to be "so-called" experts, would be trying to give out 10 year contracts.
right Ronny? As long as we win the WEST everything is fine. That would be fine if we were talking SEC football or baseball, in which this conference is very strong, and well recognized, but in basketball, outside of UK or UF, the SEC is in the shadows of several conferences. RS has done a lot for this institution, but there is a time in every business when your growth has plateaued that some changes or reorgs have to occur to stimulate your growth and reinvigorate your sales force/fanbase. Since we all love RS, let's start with some staff changes. What's wrong with admitting that after 10 years we would like to see more success on a national level?
Hey Dawgbreeze, please don't compare success in the SEC west in bball to that of football. You come off as someone who knows nothing about either. Ask anyone in the sports industry, if they think that SEC basketball is equilavent to SEC football in power, national recognition, athletes, coaches, hell, trainers and managers, and I will guarantee that 99.9% of them will say that without hesitation NO!!
Hey Dawgbreeze, please don't compare success in the SEC west in bball to that of football. You come off as someone who knows nothing about either. Ask anyone in the sports industry, if they think that SEC basketball is equilavent to SEC football in power, national recognition, athletes, coaches, hell, trainers and managers, and I will guarantee that 99.9% of them will say that without hesitation NO!!
I'll take consistantly winning the West and occasional conference championships. I'll even take going to the tourney 3-4 times out of every 5 years. I don't mind it at all. I remember very well when we sucked complete *** and would be damn happy to get in the NIT. If making the NCAA 3 out of 5 years sucks, then I'll take us sucking in basketball for years to come. Archive that and feel free to bring it up often.
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Shumley
First, who give a **** about Terrico White? I still don't know who he is, & don't give a flying f.
Second, I realize coach34 recieves the most grief here for being an ignorant, attention ***** pest, but you & your constant barrage of corny crap is definitely in the same league with coach34 & the sixpackspeak.com rebel sweetheart, jackoff.
Signed,
Shumley
First, who give a **** about Terrico White? I still don't know who he is, & don't give a flying f.
Second, I realize coach34 recieves the most grief here for being an ignorant, attention ***** pest, but you & your constant barrage of corny crap is definitely in the same league with coach34 & the sixpackspeak.com rebel sweetheart, jackoff.
lost total control of the football program. That's why we went straight to hell. I don't think Rick has had that happen yet. Look at the Kodi press conference- do you remember any Tommy Kelly press conference or Jackie benching guys like Dontae thay had no business being on the field?
Sure, Rick has his favorites like Randy, but at least he still plays people that should be playing like Phil Turner. Unlike Jackie with Jerious Norwood and Dontae.
Rick's problem has always been that it takes him about a month to figure his team out and his insistance on working on things like playing zone for an entire game against someone and if it costs us the game, so be it style.
But he always has us ready for the SEC, at least.
Like I said, it's too early to get worried about the basketball team, but if we lose to SELA, it will be time to start.
Sure, Rick has his favorites like Randy, but at least he still plays people that should be playing like Phil Turner. Unlike Jackie with Jerious Norwood and Dontae.
Rick's problem has always been that it takes him about a month to figure his team out and his insistance on working on things like playing zone for an entire game against someone and if it costs us the game, so be it style.
But he always has us ready for the SEC, at least.
Like I said, it's too early to get worried about the basketball team, but if we lose to SELA, it will be time to start.
Dear level headed fan,
There are 73 basketballing schools in the 6 major "BCS" leagues.
55 of those 73 have played on the second weekend of the men's tournament at least once since 1996.
That leaves 18 of 73 who haven't.
Guess which group Mississippi State is in?
Stans is coaching in the 25th percentile.
But hey, Rider is a good team.
Love,
Statistical Evidence
There are 73 basketballing schools in the 6 major "BCS" leagues.
55 of those 73 have played on the second weekend of the men's tournament at least once since 1996.
That leaves 18 of 73 who haven't.
Guess which group Mississippi State is in?
Stans is coaching in the 25th percentile.
But hey, Rider is a good team.
Love,
Statistical Evidence
how many have made the tournament 75% of the time the last 8 years?
You see, Statistical Evidence plays both sides of the fence and even speaks/posts in 3rd person.
Sincerely,
Statistical Evidence
You see, Statistical Evidence plays both sides of the fence and even speaks/posts in 3rd person.
Sincerely,
Statistical Evidence
There won't be a whole lot. I absolutely do not get you retards that somehow think it is better to win one or two more games in the NCAA tourney one year than to have a decade of consistent winning with some conference titles mixed in. Freaking baffles me. Basically some of you are saying that you would rather play well for one weekend than for a decade.
how about having someone that can do both? That is possible. ****, we had Williams who was a great coach but didnt like the recruiting side- so we get Stansbury who recruits very well but doesnt seem to like the coaching side....there is somebody out there that can do both- I've seen it- other schools have found them....</p>
And we only have 1 SEC championship in 12 and 2 SEC Tourney titles in 12 years from Stansbury...all the SEC West title crap is for is to see who plays on Thursday or Friday...getting the SECW 1 seed is not that big of a deal</p>
Some of us want to play well for a decade and then advance from time to time in the NCAA Tourney- and thats possible- I've seen it happen
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And we only have 1 SEC championship in 12 and 2 SEC Tourney titles in 12 years from Stansbury...all the SEC West title crap is for is to see who plays on Thursday or Friday...getting the SECW 1 seed is not that big of a deal</p>
Some of us want to play well for a decade and then advance from time to time in the NCAA Tourney- and thats possible- I've seen it happen
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we are in a Super-Conference now. And we have put money into our program. Its not going back to the way it was in the 1970's and 1980's...</p>
Some of us just dont think being happy with the football equivalent of the Independence Bowl 6 out of 8years is enough now</p>
Some of us just dont think being happy with the football equivalent of the Independence Bowl 6 out of 8years is enough now</p>
No, Retard...Hanmudog said:
I want the guy to be consistant AND win in the tournament. Ya know, like the programs that everyone rattles off by heart at the beginning of every season do. (i.e. Duke, UNC, UK, UConn) Do you honestly believe that STans is maxing out the club's ability every season?
so let's say he continues this run and we go to the tourney 12 out of 16 years and makes 1 Sweet 16 - do you want him gone?
For some reason MS cranks out a straight to the Pros player every 4-5 years, and next year there two (Bryant and Ross) that I think would both gone straight to the pros if that was an option. Now that it isn't an option, I think Stans will land at least one, maybe both. I consider MSU the leader for any in-state player that Stans really wants, until I see differently.
The 2011 class looks ridiculous with 6-7 Top 100 players in MS, which is nuts. If Stans signs 4-5 of those guys, that is a top 5 class in the country.
I have been in favor of MSU firing Stans for years. Of course, Im an Ole Miss fan.
I understand the desire to get to the sweet sixteen, I get it. The regular season has to count for something right? He is the only coach on campus with an outright regular season SEC title. I think once everyone gets healthy, MSU will be in the hunt for a SEC title this year again.
Stans has developed recruitng relationships that are going to bring great players to MSU, and make MSU an annual tourney team.
Lots of coaches have gotten to the sweet sixteen, that are horrible, but they just got hot at the right time. Does that mean they are better coaches than Stans? Of course not. That is like judging a coach by his bowl record, which is ludicrous.
Look at the body of work, his conference record, home record, and his ability to keep the program as an upper echelon team in the SEC and a team that normally goes to the tourney. That is a succesful coach. Stan Heath got hot one tourney run and parlayed it into a gig at UPIG, that was a disaster, Mike Davis was the worst coach I have ever witnessed, but he took Indiana to the National Championship game, I could list dozens of coaches that made minor runs in the tourney only to get hired by a name program, and get paid for 4-5 years and then get fired.
The 2011 class looks ridiculous with 6-7 Top 100 players in MS, which is nuts. If Stans signs 4-5 of those guys, that is a top 5 class in the country.
I have been in favor of MSU firing Stans for years. Of course, Im an Ole Miss fan.
I understand the desire to get to the sweet sixteen, I get it. The regular season has to count for something right? He is the only coach on campus with an outright regular season SEC title. I think once everyone gets healthy, MSU will be in the hunt for a SEC title this year again.
Stans has developed recruitng relationships that are going to bring great players to MSU, and make MSU an annual tourney team.
Lots of coaches have gotten to the sweet sixteen, that are horrible, but they just got hot at the right time. Does that mean they are better coaches than Stans? Of course not. That is like judging a coach by his bowl record, which is ludicrous.
Look at the body of work, his conference record, home record, and his ability to keep the program as an upper echelon team in the SEC and a team that normally goes to the tourney. That is a succesful coach. Stan Heath got hot one tourney run and parlayed it into a gig at UPIG, that was a disaster, Mike Davis was the worst coach I have ever witnessed, but he took Indiana to the National Championship game, I could list dozens of coaches that made minor runs in the tourney only to get hired by a name program, and get paid for 4-5 years and then get fired.
we are the Marquette, UW-Milwaukee, Tulsa in this instance. Those coaches are at schools that can wait and see who the clear winners are and cherry pick.
However, Marquette, UWM and Tulsa don't have that luxury. They have to hope they make great hires..which isn't easy. If they got a guy that went to the tourney 6 of 8years, they'd been damn happy to have him.
However, Marquette, UWM and Tulsa don't have that luxury. They have to hope they make great hires..which isn't easy. If they got a guy that went to the tourney 6 of 8years, they'd been damn happy to have him.
So are you saying that this is NOT what you expect Byrne to be striving for? If the answer is no then he and Stans are stealing money from season ticket holders and the university.8Dog said:
I wholeheartedly believe that we can hire UW-Milwaukee's or Tulsa's coach if we want them...we pay well and will have a practice facility- we are in a power conference, have had a solid program for 20 years now...where was Donovan before Fla got him? Marshall. I got news for ya- we can hire Marshall's basketball coach anytime we want him.
Got to quit being so small-minded...hell, half of you thought there was no way we could hire Fla's offensive coordinator in football...
Got to quit being so small-minded...hell, half of you thought there was no way we could hire Fla's offensive coordinator in football...