Nothing like a succesful program to divide our fanbase
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Im just going off the data that you gave me, which is that the SEC sucks in basketball. If its so easy for MSU to do better than a tourney 6 of 8 years, why can't more schools do it?
And even if we can hire Tulsa's coach, it might be Buzz Peterson.
And even if we can hire Tulsa's coach, it might be Buzz Peterson.
he deserves to be in that list as much as anyone. Plus he was already the answer for the "anybody would be better than ****" crowd.
us to the tournament 6 out of 8 years rather than rolling the dice.
And to be clear, you don't want him fired? Hell, I am with you that I want more tournament success but I, in no way, draw a line in the sand and say Sweet 16 or bust as long as he gets us in the tournament. So what is your take on that?
And to be clear, you don't want him fired? Hell, I am with you that I want more tournament success but I, in no way, draw a line in the sand and say Sweet 16 or bust as long as he gets us in the tournament. So what is your take on that?
it fits your argument. ****, every good coach was hired by someone somewhere.
Sure, we could can Stans, hire someone new and hope he does better. What are the odds of that? Probably not good.
We own the state of MS in recruiting. We win championships. We have continuity.
To want to throw that away because you think we could hire the next Billy Donovan is not very smart.
I like being able to tune in on selection sunday and see our name called.
Sure, we could can Stans, hire someone new and hope he does better. What are the odds of that? Probably not good.
We own the state of MS in recruiting. We win championships. We have continuity.
To want to throw that away because you think we could hire the next Billy Donovan is not very smart.
I like being able to tune in on selection sunday and see our name called.
You mean the guy UK just fired for not taking them to "the next level"?
Hell lets just cut the middle man and hire Coach K or Roy Williams themselves. It is a testament to how well Stansbury has done that we expect to win the West most years. Look at the money and fan support that Arkansas has and yet they struggle to even compete in theWest. LSU and Alabama only show up every 4 years or so despite pulling in good recruiting classes most of the time. It is easy to take it for granted but fans of these schools would love to have the consistency we have had.
Hell lets just cut the middle man and hire Coach K or Roy Williams themselves. It is a testament to how well Stansbury has done that we expect to win the West most years. Look at the money and fan support that Arkansas has and yet they struggle to even compete in theWest. LSU and Alabama only show up every 4 years or so despite pulling in good recruiting classes most of the time. It is easy to take it for granted but fans of these schools would love to have the consistency we have had.
you said the SEC sucks. So obviously, SEC schools aren't making great hires. So why aGAIN should we can a guy that's 6 for his last 8 (the first 3 years were clearly an aberation--pretty obvious at this point) in NCAA tourney appearances? Its obviously pretty damn difficult to make a great hire in the SEC.
This should be all you guys need to hear, and makes more sense than anything.OMlawdog said:
Judging a coach based on 1 hot weekend as opposed to the entire season, year after year, what a novel idea.
Dominating the state in recruiting to where top prospects don't even consider anyone else, what other coach in the state has done that EVER?
UK fired Tubby because he wasn't winning enough in their eyes, and that worked out wonderfully for them.
I still haven't heard who MSU should hire. Im assuming you are thinking about a young assistant, but who do you like to replace Stans?
By the way, Tubby won a National Title and not a single player was his. That is what killed him at UK, went from winning a national title with Rick's players, to going back to back 9-7 record. Does that prove anything since UK won a national title in 1996. He took over a great program and kept it great for a while and then made it average by UK standards.
The best example I would think you could point to is Bruce Pearl. So who is the next Bruce Pearl that you see out there?
I still haven't heard who MSU should hire. Im assuming you are thinking about a young assistant, but who do you like to replace Stans?
By the way, Tubby won a National Title and not a single player was his. That is what killed him at UK, went from winning a national title with Rick's players, to going back to back 9-7 record. Does that prove anything since UK won a national title in 1996. He took over a great program and kept it great for a while and then made it average by UK standards.
The best example I would think you could point to is Bruce Pearl. So who is the next Bruce Pearl that you see out there?
I understand what you're saying, but are you ignoring the fact that this guy gets ***-hammered at a phenomonal clip in big games played outside of the league?whatever said:
Yes, you own the less accomplished division of a decent basketball league, and that's surely cool, but do you realise you CAN do more? The coach from 15 years ago proved as much and this guy has so much more of a running start and more to work with.
This fan base should have expectation, not acceptance.
Some of you folks who have watched decades of MSU's football team flailing around hopelessly have been browbeaten into gobbling down the first bit of success that you have and being content. This is not 1992 any more.
Coach34 said:
You cannot open your mouth without contradicting yourself. How did LSU do in the NCAA tourney since that is your barometer of success. For the record, Trent Johnson did a great job but by your definition he is a failure. Seems like MSU did the same damn thing once by winning the SEC and then losing in the 1st round. How did you feel about that?
was better than just being average.
Trent Johnson had 3 tourney appearances out of 4 seasons at Stanford and only one sweet sixteen. He had one tourney appearance at Nevada in four years, and it was sweet sixteen.
So in 8 years he had 4 tourney appearances, and two sweet sixteens.
In John Brady's 9 years, he had 4 tourney appearances, one sweet sixteen and one Final Four.
I think you would agree that the Final Four appearance trumps anything Johnson did at Stanfor or Nevada, so by using your formula, Brady was the better coach.
Trent Johnson had 3 tourney appearances out of 4 seasons at Stanford and only one sweet sixteen. He had one tourney appearance at Nevada in four years, and it was sweet sixteen.
So in 8 years he had 4 tourney appearances, and two sweet sixteens.
In John Brady's 9 years, he had 4 tourney appearances, one sweet sixteen and one Final Four.
I think you would agree that the Final Four appearance trumps anything Johnson did at Stanfor or Nevada, so by using your formula, Brady was the better coach.
But I do believe Florida won the National title a few times so that dog won't hunt either. The fact is, we have a coach who is loyal to MSU, has great character, is a good family man, and has established MSU basketball. Coach is sitting on his *** on a couch somewhere armchair coaching. This argument every day for the entire season is a joke and until I see coach and his compadres do any better, I'll just consider the source.
mediocre at best. You made the comparison of SEC bball to SEC football, not me. By the way, nobody on this board has ever challenged RS character, loyalty to MSU, or his love for his family, NO ONE ON THE PACK has ever made that mistake. If you don't understand the concerns raised by some of us, then don't post, because you're just taking up space.
We have a successful coach. Have we done as well as I'd like every year? No> But the constant bitching and moaning about a guy who is sucessful is absurd. We aren't Duke and we aren't North Carolina! Get over it. I will wait until you fools run this guy off and then you wiill be happy. Some of us are smart enough to know we have a good coach.
No, what you guys don't understand is that just b/c we haven't gotten there yet, doesn't mean we can't.SuperSportJayDub said:
I just don't subscribe to the "this coach can't win the big game theory." Bob Stoops hasn't won a BCS game in what, 9 years??? But he keeps getting them in one, and I by no means think that he can't win one.
If you have a coach that keeps giving you a chance to win big games, then it's entirely possible that you're going to break through. So, we don't necessarily have to hire another coach to get us to that next level, our coach that we have now has just as good of a chance to break through as a random guy that isn't even guaranteed to give us the opportunity
Yeah...id leave Marquette out of that group. Sure they may have to replace a coach if he is offered one of the few elite jobs in the country, but thats about it. They themselves are an elite program.8Dog said:
Based on UK's entitled view of the world. By their standards he hadnt done enough.Hanmudog said:
But since he has consistently won at EVERY place he has gone, even UM right now(with a solid recruiting class, which has been his weakness), id say it only further solidifies that fact that UK fans arent planted anyhwhere close to reality and feeling National Championships are their birthright makes em nuts as can be.
That's 100% understandable and I personally don't disagree with you at all.whatever said:
For you personally, when do you draw the line with the "almost making it?" When does it wear thin?
and then stops happening consistently. You see, if in football, we next year started a run of 10 win seasons and BCS bowl appearances, then in 2017 started only winning 7 a year and going to the Liberty Bowl, I'd be mad. But if starting next year we reel off 10 straight 7-8 win seasons, I'll be ecstatic. I don't assume that because we went to the Final Four one time with a team that had two first round NBA choices in it's starting lineup, that we have some birthright to be there consistently.
I feel that we are getting about the maximum we can expect out of our program. While I would agree we have made some missteps in the tournament, we certainly should not believe that any of our teams the past decade were on par with the Duke, UNC, Kansas, and UConn's of the world. And the lack of Bulldogs on NBA rosters backs me up.
We've had good players and good teams. The 2002-2003 team in particular should have been able to handle Butler, but upsets happen. But it is ridiculous to even entertain the notion of firing Stansbury. You simply cannot justify replacing a coach with his resume with an up and comer from a mid-major who made one lucky run into the second weekend. When you replace a coach with his winning percentage, his number of division, conference, and SEC tourney championships, and NCAA tournament appearances, you damn well better have a Roy Williams caliber replacement waiting on the other side.
I'll throw out a Family Guy reference. Do you want the boat or the mystery box?
I feel that we are getting about the maximum we can expect out of our program. While I would agree we have made some missteps in the tournament, we certainly should not believe that any of our teams the past decade were on par with the Duke, UNC, Kansas, and UConn's of the world. And the lack of Bulldogs on NBA rosters backs me up.
We've had good players and good teams. The 2002-2003 team in particular should have been able to handle Butler, but upsets happen. But it is ridiculous to even entertain the notion of firing Stansbury. You simply cannot justify replacing a coach with his resume with an up and comer from a mid-major who made one lucky run into the second weekend. When you replace a coach with his winning percentage, his number of division, conference, and SEC tourney championships, and NCAA tournament appearances, you damn well better have a Roy Williams caliber replacement waiting on the other side.
I'll throw out a Family Guy reference. Do you want the boat or the mystery box?