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WVPATX

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Related to finding the truth to the relevant goal of the investigation. Mueller wasn't appointed law enforcement Czar of D.C. He was appointed to investigate Russian influence in the election, and what if any extent the WH was involved. Period. All else is in the jurisdiction of the FBI and the DOJ.

You have ZERO idea how a special prosecutor works. There is not a limited scope on the investigation. He takes it where it leads him. He is not restricted at all with regard to scope. Look at the White Water investigation. It ultimately lead to a blue dress and Monica Lewinski.

In January 1998, Tripp discovered that Lewinsky had sworn an affidavit in the Paula Jones case, denying a relationship with Clinton. She delivered tapes to Kenneth Starr, the Independent Counsel who was investigating Clinton on other matters, including the Whitewater scandal, the White House FBI files controversy, and the White House travel office controversy. During the grand jury testimony, Clinton's responses were carefully worded, and he argued, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is,"[6] with regard to the truthfulness of his statement that "there is not a sexual relationship, an improper sexual relationship or any other kind of improper relationship."[7]
 
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countryroads89 just bragged in this thread about having "9 inches". Is that fake news or outright lying?

 

Boomboom521

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You have ZERO idea how a special prosecutor works. There is not a limited scope on the investigation. He takes it where it leads him. He is not restricted at all with regard to scope. Look at the White Water investigation. It ultimately lead to a blue dress and Monica Lewinski.

In January 1998, Tripp discovered that Lewinsky had sworn an affidavit in the Paula Jones case, denying a relationship with Clinton. She delivered tapes to Kenneth Starr, the Independent Counsel who was investigating Clinton on other matters, including the Whitewater scandal, the White House FBI files controversy, and the White House travel office controversy. During the grand jury testimony, Clinton's responses were carefully worded, and he argued, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is,"[6] with regard to the truthfulness of his statement that "there is not a sexual relationship, an improper sexual relationship or any other kind of improper relationship."[7]
Great! Maybe we will find out who killed Kennedy then.

Some specific wrongdoing is always a part of the appointment. Information that is uncovered during that investigation of a SPECIFIC wrongdoing is relevant to any other investigation that occurs as a result of that information being uncovered.
 

WVPATX

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Great! Maybe we will find out who killed Kennedy then.

Some specific wrongdoing is always a part of the appointment. Information that is uncovered during that investigation of a SPECIFIC wrongdoing is relevant to any other investigation that occurs as a result of that information being uncovered.

I see you are deflecting and changing your mind. A special prosecutor has the discretion to take an investigation where it leads and in this case can easily include the leaks. Why would you be against this? Could it be you're worried it will point at the libs?
 

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Related to finding the truth to the relevant goal of the investigation. Mueller wasn't appointed law enforcement Czar of D.C. He was appointed to investigate Russian influence in the election, and what if any extent the WH was involved. Period. All else is in the jurisdiction of the FBI and the DOJ.
Hahaha, are you just now realizing what the right has been saying for weeks? As soon as that special counsel was initiated, the scope of the investigation exploded. It's all on the table now.

For instance, Mueller gets in and discovers, like the rest of the IC, there was no collusion. So, where did that story line come from? Well, obviously it started as a result of shady FISA warrants, illegal unmasking, Gov't abuse of power. So you go down that road as well. Then Comey spouts off about Loretta Lynch and you have that angle, and look for the nexus of that and the previous stuff. You have leaks fueling stories of collusion and you have to investigate those, are they intertwined with the FISA and unmasking activities? All need to be investigated.

As I've said numerous times, this thing is likely going to touch both sides of the aisle. Bigly. Or, it will quickly go away. Regardless, Trump won't be impacted by it unless it's some shady accounting practices, which, I concede is highly likely.
 

Boomboom521

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I see you are deflecting and changing your mind. A special prosecutor has the discretion to take an investigation where it leads and in this case can easily include the leaks. Why would you be against this? Could it be you're worried it will point at the libs?
Not at all. I just don't think his friendship with Comey should warrant conflict of interest.
 

Boomboom521

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Hahaha, are you just now realizing what the right has been saying for weeks? As soon as that special counsel was initiated, the scope of the investigation exploded. It's all on the table now.

For instance, Mueller gets in and discovers, like the rest of the IC, there was no collusion. So, where did that story line come from? Well, obviously it started as a result of shady FISA warrants, illegal unmasking, Gov't abuse of power. So you go down that road as well. Then Comey spouts off about Loretta Lynch and you have that angle, and look for the nexus of that and the previous stuff. You have leaks fueling stories of collusion and you have to investigate those, are they intertwined with the FISA and unmasking activities? All need to be investigated.

As I've said numerous times, this thing is likely going to touch both sides of the aisle. Bigly. Or, it will quickly go away. Regardless, Trump won't be impacted by it unless it's some shady accounting practices, which, I concede is highly likely.
Whatever, his relationship with Comey shouldn't warrant his dismissal. Whatever information he uncovers should be (and will be) looked at, and prosecuted if proven illegal. But calling for him to be removed because he's friends with someone that isn't a focus of the investigation is ridiculous at this point. We should remove him because he's not going to pursue Comey for leaking information?

I'm saying: that's not what he's appointed to do. DOJ should file charges today, if that's what happened, you don't need a special prosecutor to investigate something that was admitted to by the person in question....do you?
 

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Not at all. I just don't think his friendship with Comey should warrant conflict of interest.

I was not talking about his relationship with Comey. I was talking about Meuller's investigation moving into leaks and unmasking. After all, that is very, very likely to point directly at the Dems.
 

Boomboom521

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I was not talking about his relationship with Comey. I was talking about Meuller's investigation moving into leaks and unmasking. After all, that is very, very likely to point directly at the Dems.
What's the conflict then?
 

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What's the conflict then?

Comey and Meuller are very, very good friends. If Comey is suddenly under investigation because of leaks (not just the one we know about, but others as well), Meuller cannot be in charge of that investigation. It is a huge conflict of interest. In addition, Comey was fired by Trump and Meuller is his good friend and now Meuller is investigating things that may involve Trump. I view that as a potential conflict. And the fact that Meuller has only hired Dems thus far, is an issue.
 

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Comey and Meuller are very, very good friends. If Comey is suddenly under investigation because of leaks (not just the one we know about, but others as well), Meuller cannot be in charge of that investigation. It is a huge conflict of interest. In addition, Comey was fired by Trump and Meuller is his good friend and now Meuller is investigating things that may involve Trump. I view that as a potential conflict. And the fact that Meuller has only hired Dems thus far, is an issue.
Ah, took till the end of your post, but the real reason finally comes out. So Meuller is now partisan?
 

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Really? Mueller was told to investigate......everything then?

He is authorised to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation”
 

WVPATX

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Really? Mueller was told to investigate......everything then?

What part about Meuller having investigative discretion do you not understand? From a lib article:

Mueller will also have discretion to take the investigation where he sees fit and will likely be well resourced, in terms of manpower and his own vast experience, and will be able to convene a grand jury and lay indictments.

“He will have the powers of a United States attorney, he will be able to issue subpoenas, get access to all the documents, potentially interview the President himself,” said Susan Hennessey, managing editor of the Lawfare blog and a CNN national security and legal analyst. “He is going to be incredibly empowered. Bob Mueller has a remarkable, impeccable reputation.”

Most concerning for the White House may be Mueller’s investigative freedom. He could for example subpoena the President’s tax returns, which Trump has refused to release publicly, and which his critics say could contain evidence of exposure to Russian debt or investments that could pose a conflict of interest or cloud his judgment. The White House would likely fight such a step in court, triggering what would be a damaging showdown that would have damaging political reverberations.

This one from Andrew McCarthy:

“It looks like Mueller has been given a very broad mandate. It’s actually, as a practical matter, with a special counsel it’s hard to rein in their mandate. This one I think is extraordinarily broad, because it’s the kind of a case that you shouldn’t have a prosecutor for in the first place. It’s an intelligence matter, it’s not a criminal matter,” he contended.

“So he’s going to have a wide berth to pursue issues. What that means is that Congress is going to have to back off on a lot of stuff, and maybe you’ll stop having these high-profile hearings. Maybe that will mean Trump can go on his foreign policy trip, which is a big trip starting this weekend, and maybe he gets some movement on health care, and tax reform, and all the other stuff that he committed to do,” McCarthy speculated.

Marlow asked if Mueller’s appointment might reduce the huge number of leaks coming out of the White House.

“It’s certainly within his mandate, Alex, to pursue that,” McCarthy replied. “I actually think one prosecution would do the trick. If they could just get the unmasking of Flynn and find out who gave that name to the Times.

“This is Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act wiretapping. There’s not a lot of people who have access to that information,” he elaborated. “It ought to be possible to figure out who did the unmasking, and from there to go from who did the unmasking to who got access to the information, and try to find the narrow world of people who may have been able to give that to – was it the New York Times that got it? No, it was the Washington Post.

McCarthy predicted that “only one prosecution along those lines, or even if you couldn’t find the leaker, one aggressive attempt” might be sufficient to bring the flood of leaks under control.
 

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He is authorised to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation”
That's not a focus?
 

WVPATX

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Ah, took till the end of your post, but the real reason finally comes out. So Meuller is now partisan?

I said indisputably that Meuller and Comey are very, very good friends. Do you deny this? If Comey comes under criminal investigation for leaks, should Meuller lead that investigation?
 

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I said indisputably that Meuller and Comey are very, very good friends. Do you deny this? If Comey comes under criminal investigation for leaks, should Meuller lead that investigation?
One: how the **** do I know who is and isn't "good" friends with James Comey?

Two: as I said....the DOJ can investigate that "criminal" act at any point couldn't they?
 

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If an illegal leak arises from his investigation, he has full authority to pursue. Not hard to understand. Meuller is not operating in a box. He has wide latitude.
The man just told Congress about it....it's not like Mueller has to uncover the fact.
 

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The man just told Congress about it....it's not like Mueller has to uncover the fact.

But he may have to pursue it as part of the investigation. In addition, we have no idea how many other leaks Comey may have initiated.
 

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They would possibly be stepping on Meuller's investigation. Did you read how wide Meuller's latitude is? I posted two articles.

You're wasting your time Pax.

The Left only wants to get Trump on something, anything will do. Meantime the collusion story they are overlooking is the one for Loretta Lynch and her meetings with Comey over Hillary's e-mail server, where if what I'm hearing correctly today involved possible obstruction of Justice when she attempted to have Comey change the focus of his investigation.

No one in the media is concerned about that, and there is a lot of evidence behind it. She should be testifying today instead of Sessions.
 

TarHeelEer

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You are kidding right. What you described is slander.

Interesting. Let me change the statement a little bit. How about... I spread around town that I was fired from a job because country was sleeping with my boss and country like me. Should country welcome the investigation by his..wife? I think I'm sorted on that now.
 

TarHeelEer

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Interesting. Let me change the statement a little bit. How about... I spread around town that I was fired from a job because country was sleeping with my boss and country like me. Should country welcome the investigation by his..wife? I think I'm sorted on that now.

Now change the statement to... Hillary spread around town that Trump was elected because Trump was sleeping with the Russians. Various MSM outlets have continued the slander ever since. And even now, idiots like country say Trump should welcome the investigation.

Go fly a kite, both of you.
 
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Now change the statement to... Hillary spread around town that Trump was elected because Trump was sleeping with the Russians. Various MSM outlets have continued the slander ever since. And even now, idiots like country say Trump should welcome the investigation.

Go fly a kite, both of you.

Sweetheart, I don't think Hillary has ever said that little hands donnie colluded. In fact, this has nothing to do with Hillary. Everyone is saying "investigate". There is an investigation ongoing. And yes, everyone that loves democracy should welcome the investigation.
 

atlkvb

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Sweetheart, I don't think Hillary has ever said that little hands donnie colluded. In fact, this has nothing to do with Hillary. Everyone is saying "investigate". There is an investigation ongoing. And yes, everyone that loves democracy should welcome the investigation.

Sure...investigate.

Just like James Carville said if you drag a 100.00 bill through a trailer park you never know what you'll find?

(He made that comment after Paula Jones accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault)

https://thisisthenewnormal.wordpres...-trailer-park-you-never-know-what-youll-find/