Notre Dame ain’t playing…

Drebin

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Nobody cares. At the end of the day, there's very good justification for Miami getting in over Notre Dame. Less for Alabama getting in over them. But it's close. Notre Dame has no legitimate complaint with the end product. Neither would Alabama or Miami if they'd been left out and Notre Dame in.
Notre Dame's best win is Pitt. They have no justification for getting in. Forget Miami and Bama... Vandy and Texas had better resumes. It's an abomination that Notre Dame was the first team out.

the ACC gets a lot of blame too. Their shlt conference with their shlt tiebreaker rules created a scenario that put another G6 school in there that didn't belong.
 

Drebin

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I can see ND being upset over Alabama being in, but Miami beat them. Maybe there are other points of contention.
On what planet does Notre Dame even remotely have an argument that they belong in ahead of Alabama? There's no metrics to support that argument, there's no eye test to support that argument, and there's no common sense that supports that argument.
 

She Mate Me

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On what planet does Notre Dame even remotely have an argument that they belong in ahead of Alabama? There's no metrics to support that argument, there's no eye test to support that argument, and there's no common sense that supports that argument.

Here's a consensus of 65 different rating systems that ranks Notre Dame as the 7th best team in the country and Alabama as the 12th.


Does that count as a metric??
 
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ND would be at best probably the 5th of 6th best team in big 10 they start playing big 10 ball they never see the playoffs either and they know it. The blue bloods of that conference won't stay down forever.
Michigan
Penn state
Ohio State
Now Indiana
USC
Oregon
Even Washington

if notre dame had to play a current full big 10 schedule they would severely struggle to finish with just 3 losses

hell even Nebraska and Iowa can be tough games

I feel like you may have forgotten that Notre Dame went 14-2 last year, ending it's season with a loss to Ohio State in the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

They also beat Indiana and Penn State in getting to that game. The non Big 10 playoff win was, uh, Georgia.

FWIW...
 

Perd Hapley

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Notre Dame beat USC. Which is a much bigger win than any BYU has.
??????

First off, I was comparing Miami’s resume to BYU’s, not Notre Dame’s.

But secondly, what you stated is false. BYU’s win over Utah trumps ND’s win over USC. Utah finished 15th in the final CFP rankings. USC finished 16th.
 

Drebin

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Here's a consensus of 65 different rating systems that ranks Notre Dame as the 7th best team in the country and Alabama as the 12th.


Does that count as a metric??
I should've clarified. "Metrics that matter." Or, more relevant in this case, "metrics that the playoff committee use in their ranking systems."
 

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Copying and pasting from the other thread, but here’s how. Obvious bad actors were influencing the committee to make sure the ACC had at least one representative in the playoff:

ALL of these moves happened over the past several weeks, all of which were every bit as questionable as the last minute leap frog over ND, and ALL of which directly led to Miami / ND being nearly side by side in the rankings for the final week:

1) From Week 10 to Week 11:

- Miami (7-2) goes from #18 to #15
- Miami goes 5 spots ahead of a Louisville team that’s also 7-2, and that Louisville team beat them in Coral Gables.
- Miami passes 8-1 Georgia Tech, who didn’t even play that weekend
- Miami goes 4 spots ahead of 8-2 Virginia, who had a road win over that 7-2 Louisville team above.

2) From Week 11 to Week 12:

- Miami goes from #15 to #13
- Miami leapfrogs Vanderbilt, who didn’t play that weekend. Vandy had the same record as Miami, but had that record against the #25 SOS whereas Miami was playing against the #45 SOS. Really no justification at all for this move.
- This happens from no discernible data other than Miami beating NC State at home. NC State finished 7-5, in the awful ACC, and at no point was anywhere near the CFP rankings.
- Meanwhile, ND stays at #9. Oklahoma moves ahead of them all the way from the #11 spot to #8 from the Bama win. This one was understandable but still a bit questionable. Bama falls right behind them to #10, which becomes important later.

Week 12 to Week 13

- Miami moves up AGAIN over a team with the same record, without that team losing. This time it’s Utah…a team with no bad losses.
- Vanderbilt somehow does not move past Utah in spite of having a superior profile as well.
- Miami now at #12, ND at #9

Week 13 to Week 14

- Remember when Bama fell back behind ND after OU game? Now, suddenly Bama jumps back ahead of ND, from nothing other than barely scraping by a bad Auburn team with an interim coach.
- Meanwhile, Texas beats Texas A&M, and now has wins over two CFP teams in OU and Texas A&M (both better than any Miami win) Yes they are 9-3, but have that record strictly due to scheduling Ohio State on the road instead of a Sun Belt or FCS school. Regardless, they do not get the same favorable treatment Miami got a few weeks prior with Georgia Tech and Virginia, and later on with BYU.
- ND falls back to #10, Miami still at #12.

Week 14 to Week 15
- Miami and ND do not play, and no previous opponent of either team plays.
- Bama falls back zero spots after getting absolutely pummeled by UGA, when that would have allowed ND to move back up to #9. BYU doesn’t get the same treatment.
- Miami still moves up two spots from #12 to #10.
- ND moves back one spot to #11 as has been discussed ad nauseum.
- What has not been discussed is this, which is 17ing nuts: Miami also passed 11-2 BYU. BYU had a better record, a stronger SOS (#22 vs. #45), no bad losses, and a win over Utah that was every bit as good as Miami’s win over ND. You can explain the Miami vs. ND somewhat based on H2H. You cannot explain this one at all.

Add it all up, there are NINE other completely unjustifiable moves that either directly benefitted Miami or directly hurt ND. All of these happened over a period where neither team lost a game, or picked up a quality win. Incompetence and idiocy is random. A baffling shuffle happens once, a tad suspicious but maybe just a mistake. 9 or 10 times? GTFO. This was calculated. I don’t see how any objective person can look at all those facts and reach any other conclusion.
I think everyone knows and understands all of that. Still, I don't think anyone cares. Why? Notre Dame starts every season vastly overrated based on what they did 60+ years ago. In the recent past, they've been boat raced almost every time they got gifted a spot they probably didn't earn in the playoffs. This year, they lost their 2 high profile games, then went and played some weird mish mash of a schedule afterwards. Speaking of, they refuse to join a conference and play real schedules, because....???? "We're Notre Dame"? Ok, well, this is what you get. Join a conference already. Or, roll the dice every year by having no way to become an AQ. Pick one, live with it, don't cry when it doesn't go your way. People are tired of attitudes of entitlement. ND is the most entitled team that's ever existed. Time to join the modern era and deal with it.
 
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I think everyone knows and understands all of that. Still, I don't think anyone cares. Why? Notre Dame starts every season vastly overrated based on what they did 60+ years ago.

Is that true?

They literally finished last season in the national championship game. Pretty much impossible to start overrated when you end up #2.

I haven't researched exactly how vastly overrated they typically are, but I'm pretty sure they have finished most recent seasons in the Top 20 and often in or near the Top 10. I don't think they start out ranked in the Top 2 or 3 most years.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the perception they are overrated consistently might be more common than them actually being overrated.

Again, I may be wrong.
 

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They are both a .000 winning percentage.
It’s still not the same.

So if given the scenario below which one makes more sense

notre dame is 0-2 against the playoff teams
Miami’s is 0-0 against playoff teams

Miami and notre dame have similar SOR and similar SOS AND the same record

given the above info would you say 0-2 and 0-0 against playoff teams is relevant?
 

Dawgg

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I read the transcript of some of today’s press conference and watched some of the clips. What a whiny bitсh.

I think it’s painfully obvious that Notre Dame really overestimates its value to the ACC and college football. It sounds like their AD has spent the last few weeks demanding apologies and fealty from various ACC administrators and/or their social media teams and hasn’t been getting the handjobs he’s expected in return.

The ACC gave ND a real sweetheart deal and bailed them out during Covid. At this point, where does Notre Dame add value to the ACC? Women’s basketball? Soccer? Fencing? Lacrosse? Any sport that actually makes money?

If they drop the 5 ACC games, where are those Power 4 replacement games going to come? Squeezed into a 9 game Big Ten or SEC conference schedule? The Big 12?

Also, the ACC has ND in their grant of rights for sports other than football until 2036. I assume ND has more money than Clemson and FSU, but I still think it’s going to be a bitсh for them to get their “24 other sports” out of that conference.
 
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patdog

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I read the transcript of some of today’s press conference and watched some of the clips. What a whiny bitсh.

I think it’s painfully obvious that Notre Dame really overestimates its value to the ACC and college football. It sounds like their AD has spent the last few weeks demanding apologies and fealty from various ACC administrators and/or their social media teams and hasn’t been getting the handjobs he’s expected in return.

The ACC gave ND a real sweetheart deal and bailed them out during Covid. At this point, where does Notre Dame add value to the ACC? Women’s basketball? Soccer? Fencing? Lacrosse? Any sport that actually makes money?

If they drop the 5 ACC games, where are those Power 4 replacement games going to come? Squeezed into a 9 game Big Ten or SEC conference schedule? The Big 12?

Also, the ACC has ND in their grant of rights for sports other than football until 2036. I assume ND has more money than Clemson and FSU, but I still think it’s going to be a bitсh for them to get their “24 other sports” out of that conference.
Yeah. A lot Sabre rattling. But Notre Dame needs the ACC as much as the ACC needs them. This will blow over & nothing will change. ACC did nothing wrong here. As if they could have influenced the committee anyway.