You’re just really bad at sarcasm. Care to debate the points or do you want to keep deflecting and throwing the straw man around?
Novax Djokovic denied entry into Australia
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You’re just really bad at sarcasm. Care to debate the points or do you want to keep deflecting and throwing the straw man around?
Dude, you thought I was actually bragging about an old polio mandate for public schools. Pointing out that you don't know what quotations are used for isn't a straw man argument, it's an illustration of your overall remarkable ignorance.
You don't think the vaccine works...yet you got it. What...umm...yeah, what do I gain out of this? The last guy wants to debate the polio shot.
There isn't a point to debate, you don't understand how science works or what actual freedom is.
You’re right, I can’t make any sense of the junk you’re spewing. What’s that saying about arguing with an idiot? I get it now…
Hope that saying is void of any sarcasm or irony or it'll go right over your head.
Cite me one credible peer reviewed scientific study that shows the current vaccines don't mitigate the severity of the virus to the majority of those who get it. Then, in generic terms, I want you to explain the efficacy of a vaccine without using the word "cure." Lastly, in relation to your certitude about absolute freedom, I'd like you to give me examples of global health pandemics being halted without any intervention on the part of the state or centralized government.
Then maybe we can debate, K?
Before I get into any of that and waste more of my time, find me one case of a universally mandated drug or vaccine by the US gov’t. Answer that and I’ll give you your requested info.
They have literally back tracked on every single promise they made about the shot. They continually rewrite the narrative on the efficacy because it keeps coming up short. It started with 95% proficiency in keeping you from getting it and spreading it to it seems to reduce symptoms.
The kicker being now it loses its potency in 10 to 12 weeks. To we aren't sure how effective it is to the new variants?
They have to restructure their arguments because it has failed every single thing it was supposed to do. You can't it reduces symptoms with a straight face because they can't even day they anymore. The WHO even came out against continued boosters because they don't know what that is doing to our immune symptoms.
The only thing we know for sure in the short term is its causing heart inflammation blood clots and heart attacks in otherwise healthy ppl and children.
The vaccines as you call them have failed tremendously.
The kicker being now it loses its potency in 10 to 12 weeks. To we aren't sure how effective it is to the new variants?
They have to restructure their arguments because it has failed every single thing it was supposed to do. You can't it reduces symptoms with a straight face because they can't even day they anymore. The WHO even came out against continued boosters because they don't know what that is doing to our immune symptoms.
The only thing we know for sure in the short term is its causing heart inflammation blood clots and heart attacks in otherwise healthy ppl and children.
The vaccines as you call them have failed tremendously.
As I posted earlier on this thread, at what point did you leftists adopt authoritarianism as your guiding philosophy? 1960's Leftie, 'Eff the man', 2020's Leftie, "do what you're told". Pathetic. By the way, seat belt laws suck, but I'm totally in favor of non-smoking sections, and the murder analogy is ludicrous. And, no, it's not the flu, but it is a Hell of a lot closer to the flu than it is to smallpox, the Bubonic Plague, or Ebola.
Jeez, what a world in which six Supreme Court justices are "Jenny McCarthy", though I'm sure that McCarthy has more sense than to claim that 100,000 children in America are in "serious condition".
Get ready for the left or the media, same thing, to say she meant all of the America's. North, South, Central, and all the islands. And remember everyone is an American to the left.
But I didn't argue in favor of a universal mandate, I support the right of a country to keep out an individual tennis player they deem a threat, or at least not in compliance with their rules, during a global pandemic. Same reason I support the United States in situations of denying legal residency to a criminal. That's not government overreach, thus my mocking of your buffoonery.
The intrinsic problem, or at least implied "trick" of your request, is in using the U.S. alongside the word "universal." One would have to put aside our unique history, and though many refuse to acknowledge that federal law trumps state law, nothing I even argued in favor of, save for a tongue-in-cheek remark about murder (surely you don't think I believe you support legal murder?), was "universal." Seat belt laws, non-smoking sections - these things aren't "universal" or federally mandated, but I as an individual citizen with concerns about public safety am allowed to support their implementation in necessary form.
In direct relation to a federal vaccine mandate, I'm not here supporting the specifics of the Biden administration's request. I merely mocked your celebration of its defeat. Rather, I'm in support of trusted science and common sense, those of which FIRMLY tell me a tested and retested, peer-reviewed medical solution should be mandated in situations where it's of paramount importance - healthcare workers, those who works in close quarters, those who gather in large amounts (restaurants, concerts, etc.) - i.e. are in direct relation to how the deadly virus is spread.
It's of personal disappointment to me that certain citizens deem appropriate and easy medical intervention of a communicable (key word) disease as an infringement of their personal freedom. The government, both local and national, have greatly helped in preventing the death of many thousands of people since the vaccine's accouchement. That's hardly the authoritarian takeover you portend it to be.
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I’m not anti vax at all, I’m pro vax if you want to get it get 38 of them for all I care. But it’s unAmerican and illegal to force a vax on an entire country.
Also, there is not a measles and polio mandate, you have to get them to go to public schools not all private schools, so at least spout the most truthful incorrect truth you can please.
I now live my life as I did before. No masks, no vax and do whatever I want besides wearing one when I fly and that’s only because you liaises have let them make that a thing. But by all means if you want to live like we’re in the movie Outbreak, you do you. You can go hangout with doomsday prowlers and whatnot.
Wow, such a tough guy. If only we could all be as manly as you.
You sound like a walking stereotype about this state.
What state? I don’t live in KY, cool assumption though. And yes I will do whatever I want, that’s literally the main principle upon which this country was created.
It 100% was not created to do whatever your govt tells you to do, quite the opposite in fact.
I get it though, you all feel like you’re in the smart club and it’s not cool til everyone does what you did to get in and until you’ll make fun of them and call them dumb. Let it play out pal. Think of the difference of what you knew and thought 2 years ago about all this until now, let’s wait a few more and see who made the smarter choice.
It 100% was not created to do whatever your govt tells you to do, quite the opposite in fact.
I get it though, you all feel like you’re in the smart club and it’s not cool til everyone does what you did to get in and until you’ll make fun of them and call them dumb. Let it play out pal. Think of the difference of what you knew and thought 2 years ago about all this until now, let’s wait a few more and see who made the smarter choice.
It's closer to 75% of Americans with at least one vaccine. The numbers you cite are for anyone above 50.
As for the "at minimum half" quote I cannot find evidence of this. There definitely appears to be a significant party split as it relates to vaccine hesitancy.
Lastly, Australia has rules and Joker made a joke out of said rules. Read up on the story and you'd see how truly selfish his actions are.
Remember Trump was praised for taking lockdown measures back in early 2020. He made sure people couldn't come in from other countries. Australia does the same and yall go crazy.
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NY state has had 900k breakthrough cases or about 6.7% of the vaccinated population. Not quite 95% efficacy but 93.7% isn't bad.
Only 25k hospitalizations of fully vaccinated people or .19%
As for blood clots, heart attacks and heart issues in general yes this has happened but the number is miniscule.
If yall can go about saying Covid only kills 1 out of 100 people then I'm sure 1 out of 6000 of those vaccinated developing heart issues isn't a problem. There's also a higher probability of developing the same issues if you get covid and are unvaccinated.
Lastly for those saying the vaccine doesn't work, here's a study done by Republican led Texas. It's linked in the first sentence of the article below and the numbers are alarming.
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But none of those studies ever mention people with natural immunity, it’s completely thrown out because it doesn’t help prove their point.
Boosters have been shown in the UK to lose 20-60ish% of their efficacy after two months.
I’m so sick of fighting about this. If someone wants to risk dying and not get vaxxed why do you care? Seriously, let them die or whatever, who gives a ****? You’re not going to convince them to get vaxxed now, they’ve had 2 years to get it for free, why would they change now?
Boosters have been shown in the UK to lose 20-60ish% of their efficacy after two months.
I’m so sick of fighting about this. If someone wants to risk dying and not get vaxxed why do you care? Seriously, let them die or whatever, who gives a ****? You’re not going to convince them to get vaxxed now, they’ve had 2 years to get it for free, why would they change now?
You're correct about natural immunity but the problem is you have to get Covid and survive to get those immunities. It makes more sense to get vaccinated rather than risking getting covid while unvaccinated.
As for caring I'd say that's something you just have to do ir should do. The more people get vaccinated the fewer deaths we'd have and the quicker we could open up.
Remember that NY study I linked showed only .19% of vaccinated going to the hospital for covid. If people got vaccinated you'd have less stress on our hospitals.
I look at the fight versus covid and vaccines the same way as America in WW2. Rather than fighting a group of countries we're fighting a global virus and rather than rationing goods for our troops and collective benefit of society we're getting vaccinated to protect ourselves and those around us.
This is a global war and most countries are doing better than the greatest country on earth and that's a problem. Because of this people make excuses and say our cases are inflated while other countries are undercounted. In reality it's likely we've just performed poorly in comparison.
Psaki said just yesterday during her propaganda conference that 90% of Americans over 18 took one shot, over 80% fully vaccinated. If you couldn't find that information, then you didn't look hard enough or were looking at old information.
Plenty of people choose not to get vaccinated for whatever reasons, like being young or black Americans with their justified distrust. Those are not significant Trump voting blocks. Again, you're not researching well enough. If party affiliation were causal, then 95% plus of those over 65 wouldn't be vaccinated.
Lastly, the purpose of a border control vaccination mandate is to limit the spread of the virus within borders. Rules aren't just rules for no reason, at least they shouldn't be in a competently run functional society. He recieved a waiver. That's not making a joke of any rules. Djokovic, in peak health and having recently contracted the virus itself, is more immune than virtually anyone. The vaccinations currently provide zero protection against infection of the omicron variant, which Djokovic likely already had.
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Fully indoctrinated…
Comparing this to WWII??? Good god…
I will say you’re a good little soldier.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that as of December 14, roughly 85% of adults ages 18 and over in the United States had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine but 15% remained unvaccinated.
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Fair point with regards to vaccine numbers. The source I used is including all age groups including those under 18 which would explain the difference. I thought you were referencing the overall rate but you mean 18 or older. I missed that in your original post.
I think once you're a certain age you're going to worry more about survival than politics. So someone could be far right and 65 and still get the vaccine. I think the split is more so with the younger age groups, the 30-50 range.
"the purpose of a border control vaccination mandate is to limit the spread of the virus within borders. Rules aren't just rules for no reason, at least they shouldn't be in a competently run functional society"
Today agree with this and it's exactly what's going on in Australia.
The issue is Djokovic or his team falsifying information. He arrived in Australia on January 5th and claimed he hadn't traveled anywhere in the past 14 days when in fact he was in Spain just a week prior. While I don't think he or his team were intentionally misleading they did make the error in filling out the forms incorrectly and that's why the visa was originally revoked.
How is that indoctrination?
WW2 Americans rationed goods so our soldiers could win the war.
Something like that wouldn't happen today because people are selfish which is my point about vaccinations.
Back then society would've come together and get vaccinated.
I’m almost in tears over this laughing. I was beginning to type out a long history lesson and show the absurdity of what you’re saying, but it isn’t worth it.
You’re not a soldier, and you’re not fighting for some greater cause. There are absolutely no comparisons to be made here and attempting to do so is just asinine.
As far as unifying, you’re wrong, there just isn’t a major event to bring us together. 9/11 taught us that, although it also showed unity never lasts very long.
Please go into detail. Nothings wrong with learning.
You say I'm not a soldier which is true but that would also pertain to the Americans who rationed goods for our soldiers.
I'm not saying people today are soldiers. I'm equating the sacrifice made by the citizens of that day by rationing with vaccinations of today.
The greater cause is to protect fellow Americans . We're eventually going to pass the per capita death totals in WW2 and that's a depressing thing to even think about.
The major event you speak of is literally the pandemic. You mention 9/11 briefly bring us together and you're right it did; but during the worst part of this pandemic Dec 2020 to Feb 2021 we were literally having a 9/11 every day in terms of deaths.
Appreciate the response. If you think everyone being 100% vaccinated would make everything open back up that’s just not true. In NYC you have to have a vaxport but they still have it everywhere. Israel is basically 100% vaxxed and they continue having problems. Sweden or whoever said screw you sisies we’ll just go about our business have done great, weird.
Here’s the key to opening up and it’s worked fantastic in Florida where I live, just go about living life whether you’re vaxxed or not. Act like there’s nothing to worry about,
now you’re open again! Crazy idea. If you are worried about dying from Covid, mask up and get vaxxed, stay home whatever you want.Don’t want to die in a place crash, don’t board a plane.
Don’t want to die a miserable death in a hospital bed due to smoking and obesity, stop smoking and exercise while eating healthy.
This **** is SOOOOO SIMPLE, it’s just people don’t have the willpower or ability to deny themselves these things. You’re no different than a heroin junkie your smack is just legal. Same with Covid.
Few are more selfish than those accepting a vaccine then believing they're entitled to tell others what they need to do. You got your shot so STFU.
^Furthermore, if you’re pro vax and believe they work well, then why would you ever care if anyone else got vaxxed? You should be good to go, correct?
Can you imagine applying super vaxxers’ stance on everyday life? Some lady in a restaurant orders fried chicken and Mac n Cheese…next table over. “Ma’am how DARE you order fried chicken!? You don’t care about your health and are okay with possibly dying from it!? For SHAME!!??”
Can you imagine applying super vaxxers’ stance on everyday life? Some lady in a restaurant orders fried chicken and Mac n Cheese…next table over. “Ma’am how DARE you order fried chicken!? You don’t care about your health and are okay with possibly dying from it!? For SHAME!!??”
This guy lmao. This is exactly the guy who would be working for Hitler's SS going door to door rounding up da juuus.
These vaxxer nutcases have far surpassed the vegan ( @Gassy_Knowls ) ******** that preach you to death about what they eat and what you should and shouldn't consume lol
These vaxxer nutcases have far surpassed the vegan ( @Gassy_Knowls ) ******** that preach you to death about what they eat and what you should and shouldn't consume lol
Do we take polio vaccines so we get less severe polio? Was that the goal, take a polio vaccine so it’s not too bad and we won’t take up hospital beds?
Having tempeh bbq tonight on the grill coated with marsala wine, liquid smoke, liquid aminos, and nibbles baby potatoes with rosemary oil
Court hearing for Djokovic streaming on YouTube just started. My wife hates Djokovic and hopes he gets bounced from Australia.
Wow I’d rather get vaxxed than sit through watching a YouTube stream of a tennis player’s Covid court hearing, Jesus. You could just wait and hear what is said afterwards without watching you know.
My wife really dislikes Djokovic that much to watch this…. Apparently this was just a preliminary hearing…. to be continued…. LOL