Dude this thing isn't a vaccine. You dont have to be double vaxxed and boostered 3 times in 9 months with a vaccine hoping it works.
Novax Djokovic denied entry into Australia
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One could make a fantastic argument that the COVID lockdowns are Baby Boomers' (who tend to have the most wealth and political power in the world) greatest act of selfishness, which is saying something for that generation.
All we've really done as a society is ruin younger and healthier people's lives on the flimsy premise that doing so will prevent deaths from people who were not in the greatest of health anyway. Two years in, it is still hard to find comparative statistics on expected years of life saved vs. expected years of life lost when it comes to COVID mitigation strategies. If we saved 1 million 80 year olds an extra year of life while causing an extra 20,000 30 year olds with a life expectancy of 80 to overdose or commit suicide, we've accomplished absolutely nothing in terms of years of life saved and, morally, probably took one of the most reprehensible acts this side of genocide.
That does not take into account the human misery created, which for most is worse than death. I don't know any ethically functioning adult who would not gladly give up a few years of life on the back end for the promise that their kids and grandkids will have happier lives -- and that is what governments the world over have forced onto society.
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Justice and intelligence prevails.
It’s sad you can’t see this for the political stunt that it was. Keep siding with authoritative gov’t and see where that get us…
Very classy comments from Djokovic after this circus finally ended. He'd have broken the record at this tourney but will probably break it at Wimbledon instead - a much more prestigious event.
"I am uncomfortable that the focus of the past weeks has been on me and I hope that we can all now focus on the game and tournament I love," the statement added.
"I would like to wish the players, tournament officials, staff, volunteers and fans all the best for the tournament."
"I am uncomfortable that the focus of the past weeks has been on me and I hope that we can all now focus on the game and tournament I love," the statement added.
"I would like to wish the players, tournament officials, staff, volunteers and fans all the best for the tournament."
I’m vaxxed and boosted. My kids are vaxxed (and currently have Covid). For any jerkoff to say that others should have to get vaccinated because that will stop Covid, especially with the info we have now, well he is a god damn fool. Vaccination only appears to lessen the impact this disease has on you. I recommend everyone gets it. But I don’t give a **** if you don’t.
^that should be everyone’s opinion. Well said.
You’re such a ***** touch boy. I guess America was due for the Beta males to get their way for a couple years.
Remember, tough times create strong men, strong men create easy times. Easy times create weak men, weak men create tough times.
You and your ilk (weak men) are only creating tough times for the future. If you can’t see that don’t worry, the good ol boys will pull you out of the muck and mire when you start begging for help…again.
You’re such a ***** touch boy. I guess America was due for the Beta males to get their way for a couple years.Remember, tough times create strong men, strong men create easy times. Easy times create weak men, weak men create tough times.
You and your ilk (weak men) are only creating tough times for the future. If you can’t see that don’t worry, the good ol boys will pull you out of the muck and mire when you start begging for help…again.
Well things are getting very interesting again down here. Planes are sitting on the runway for over an hour and it’s taking another 40 minutes plus to get the baggage off the plane after that one hour. There are only two baggage workers working today for over 100 flights today because of “Covid”. This is absurd.
They literally just asked for civilian volunteers to help unload and load baggage over the intercom at baggage claim. I’m sure that’s OSHA approved.
I guess @sagurocat is okay with this and it’s all part of Justice and intelligence prevailing and just doing business these days.
Noone sacrificed old people. It was a virus that couldn't be stopped. The vulnerable were the only people that should've had serious recommendations and efforts. Everyone else should've went about their life.
Yes people would've died, but they died anyway. From the beginning our mindset should've been mitigation rather than prevention. Now the ramifications of lockdown will kill exponentially more people than the virus in addition to the complete upheaval of society
Just read up on this and that quote is either being misinterpreted intentionally or those referencing it aren't actually looking at the full picture.
The 75% number was in reference to those that died from covid who were fully vaccinated.
It does not mean that 75% of all covid deaths are of people with 4 comorbidities.
The quote is italicized
You know really important study if I may just summarize it. A study of 1.2 million people who were vaccinated between December and October and demonstrated that severe disease occurred in about 0.015% of the people who received their primary series and death in 0.003% of those people. The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75%, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities. So really these are people who were unwell to begin with. And yes, really encouraging news in the context of Omicron.”
The quote is saying of those who are fully vaccinated only .003% of die from a breakthrough covid case and of those .003% 75% had 4 or more comorbidities.
I.E. fully vaccinated people have a .003% chance of dying from a breakthrough case. Much better odds than that of someone unvaccinated. Especially if the odds of dying are 1%, the number Fox mentions all the time.
It is not saying 75% of all 800k us covid deaths were of people with 4+ comorbidities.
I'll leave it at this. There's no reason to attempt to explain things anymore.
"We’ve dropped 50k staffed hospital beds in a year - many due to vaccine mandates."
Source? I'd expect the exodus of hospital staff can be mostly attributed to other factors and not mandates, notably excess stress and being overburdened. I cannot imagine being a nurse and seeing people with covid, most of which are unvaccinated. The stress of that and seeing people pass is unimaginable.
I really doubt most doctors and nurses who quit did so because of the mandate as most got vaccinated. Some did for sure but most ended up getting vaccinated. Seems like at least 70% healthcare workers are vaccinated while at least 90% of doctors are vaccinated.
"You have a really naive view of this pandemic. But it looks like you believed in an eradication possibility- and also a vaccine that would block infection and transmission. It’s tough to come back to reality if those were the long term held beliefs."
I never believed a vaccine would totally block infection or stop transmission, that's you making assumptions. They're used to ensure symptoms are as mild as possible in comparison to those who don't get the vaccine.
What I do believe is that the number of cases and deaths could've been greatly reduced if better action was taken at the start of the pandemic.
I think now pandoras box is open and really the only thing we can do is hope people get vaccinated. Other than that there's no reason to be shut down anymore as it's endemic because of the failure of this nation and peopke over the past few years.
If we would’ve locked down harder! So selfish!
Yes case numbers for vaccinated are higher per capita but emergency hospitalizations and deaths are not. That's the whole reason to get vaccinated and to not get one is selfish because it burdens our already understaffed hospitals.
Even the studies done in the UK show higher case numbers for vaccinated people but those in the hospital and deaths are higher for the unvaccinated. ER visits range from being 50% to 500% higher for the unvaccinated depending on the age group and death is 10% to 800% higher.
Age 30-39
Unvaccinated are 2x as likely of visiting the ER and 4x as likely to die.
Age 40-49
Unvaccinated are 3x likely to visit the ER and 7x more likely to die.
Page 43 of the most recent report.
No reason to say anything else. You speak of reality or coming back to reality but really I think a number of people here need to look in the mirror.
You not much as your post was rational. Others resort to name-calling when they have nothing else to say and for that, cheers to you.
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And don't forget....the airline industry mandated vaccination.
Hindsight is 20/20, but the correct decision when the **** hit the fan in March of 2020 would have been to encourage all people with major health risks to isolate for a couple of weeks and let the rest of society carry on as usual. We would be in a much better spot right now had that been the path taken. I don't necessarily blame anyone for it, since at the time the actual kill rate was unknown, but the steps taken almost certainly did more harm than good. It also caused a major rush to develop a vaccine that has been mostly ineffective in curtailing the spread of the virus. Overall, a complete pooch screw by everyone who was making decisions.
It's going to be amusing when Novak still ends up with 5-6 more majors minimum than Federer/Nadal even in spite of all this nonsense between the default at the USO for hitting the ballgirl to a country deciding they're going to deport him because of some sentiment he may incite in their populace (wild, btw).
Novak, somehow, is still underrated. Most will still name Fed and/or Sampras as the GOAT. Nadal is too single threaded to be considered IMO. Dude is a wizard on clay but the rest of the resume isn't awesome. I will go out on a limb and say Fed at his best is probably the best ever, but Novak will end with the better career.
The crazy thing to consider is that if Fed/Nadal/Djokovic didn't all intersect with each other's careers, they'd probably each have 30+ majors. It's incredible that the 3 greatest players of all time spent the majority of their careers duking it out with each other.
ETA - the DQ at the US Open was unfortunate but warranted IMO. He almost certainly would have won that tournament but he earned the DQ.
I really don’t think it’s selfish to not get the vaxx since we know it’s not really a vax. No other vax do you have to get over and over again even after it’s proven to not be effective like real vax.
I think it’s more selfish to say everyone get a vax AND shut the world down. Screw your business you worked your whole life for, we can’t have Bertha’s 300 pound pork rind-gargling *** go dying on us! Or her cousin Billy that smokes 2 packs a day for 50 years, gotta save that quality human.
People that haven’t give a **** about their health their entire life are now like, “MASK ON! GET VAXXED YOU UNWASHED HEATHENS!” They’d rather do that and hope it works because lord knows they’re not going to stop smoking, eating like **** or start exercising, they don’t have the willpower or they would e already done those things.
Let nature run its course, it’s not necessarily a bad thing.
No it didn’t. A certain company mandated it, but the others either never did or backed off their initial mandate.
After thinking about it, I’m very glad he was not allowed to play. I don’t want him breaking the record in that sh!thole of a country. Break it elsewhere…
Only one backed off it that I know, and it wasn't totally backed off. Just shelved for the time being after a strike that we were told was actually weather issues. You know....the kind of weather only one airline experienced.
Either way, all the major airlines required it and they all still cancelled numerous flights due to covid. So the point is valid.
The only major airline requiring vax or be fired is United. Several other airlines threatened it, but backed off. That said almost all require the vax to be hired.
Glad they kicked him out. He expects preferential treatment. Too bad. Get vaccinated Novak just like most of the rest of the tour and take your arrogant *** home until you do. Crying now just like he did before he became good. Pitiful.
Ahh yes, what an evil guy not taking a vax that literally helps no one else and does not make him a bigger threat. Makes sense. Also, please try reading, he’s been nothing but respectful and said very very little. The crybabies have been the Aussie gov’t who intentionally created this scene, and babies such as yourself. Djokovic handles himself in a very professional manner.
You are the baby for taking up him. He knew the law. He should have never applied for an exemption. He thinks he is special and deserves more because he is number 1. Nothing more, nothing less. Either get vaccinated or don’t play. See how simple that rule is.
Umm he applied for an exemption which was initially granted. Politics got involved from there. So yes you’re right, he did know the law. He applied for a legal exemption which is the law in Australia. Only a complete zombie thinks not getting vaccinated makes you a bad person that deserves to get punished. You are truly a mindless drone.
Also, Australian politicians have now openly said they deported him to prevent anti covid vax sentiment from spreading, not because he broke some mythical rule.
Now run along and do whatever your overlords tell you and try your best not to think for yourself.
While I think this entire thing has been a fiasco and totally unnecessary, Novak has potentially put himself in a really bad spot here. If he is barred from Australia for 3 years, he will likely not ever win another Aussie open. I think he may have miscalculated his strategy here. Probably would have been better off to skip this year's AO and take a wait and see approach for next year when things will likely be a lot different. With today's rules, he will miss this year's French as well, although he should be ok for Wimbledon. He may miss the US Open too unless NY changes their rules before then. After he won Wimbledon last year, I was sure he would put to rest any GOAT debate and win 6-8 more majors. Hopefully sanity wins out and he is back on the court soon.
He showed up on Australia because they granted his exemption and all was good. It was after he arrived and reached the point of no return the Australian gov’t decided to use him as a political pawn. This wasn’t Djokovic’s strategy, it was the Aussie Gov’t strategy.
I'm not taking their side here - and Djokovic also misrepresented information on his application. I think he should have played it differently. You're clearly too unhinged on the topic to have a civil conversation about it, so I'll move on. My guess is you are not even a tennis fan.