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I will be happy as hell if we make the tourney this year, but I will once again be disappointed atour poor seeding due to the lack of coaching.
Now that I am off the ledge about our basketball team.....
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I will be happy as hell if we make the tourney this year, but I will once again be disappointed atour poor seeding due to the lack of coaching.
...however, going 6-2 with our remaining schedule after we just went 4-4 playing the easy half of the schedule is just highly unlikely at this point. In fact, there is no reason to hope for that until we go, say 4-0 in the next 4.
You made a post last week talking about how we were fixing to break out of our slump. We lost two more games.
You're just not being realistic with this situation. I'll happily eat crow if we get an at large bid, but as of right now, it's a very long long shot. Hell, read what Lunardi said.
You made a post last week talking about how we were fixing to break out of our slump. We lost two more games.
You're just not being realistic with this situation. I'll happily eat crow if we get an at large bid, but as of right now, it's a very long long shot. Hell, read what Lunardi said.
Weight Training and MSU basketball teams are obviously 2 thing that do not go together.Coach34 said:
that we had tosuffer with two 6'10 250 lbs post guys when Dampier needed rest? And excuse me for asking whatthe '96 team has to do with this?
Benock, Turner and Osby (sorry Romero but I forgot about you) are it. No backup PG and nobody down low to spellJarvis. Thisis our main problem. You call it a ******** arguement because I'm notblaming Stansbury for Beckham, Bailey and Smith being hurt, or for Sidney being ineligible. If I started this off with something about the coach, you'd be in total agreement.
Benock, Turner and Osby (sorry Romero but I forgot about you) are it. No backup PG and nobody down low to spellJarvis. Thisis our main problem. You call it a ******** arguement because I'm notblaming Stansbury for Beckham, Bailey and Smith being hurt, or for Sidney being ineligible. If I started this off with something about the coach, you'd be in total agreement.
if I'm going to blame one player, I'm blaming Kodi "The Virus" Augustus...he's sucked easily as badly as Dee or anyone else on the team, and on top of that he whines and bitches incessantly like a little girl to Dee, during games no less.BriantheDawg said:
You have to put blame on Stansbury for the way the team has performed this year but also some has to be on the players. I have seen more boneheaded plays this year in games than I have ever seen them do before. It also doesn't help that we have no one in the post that can score.
38843dawg said:
Winning the SEC basketball tournament is not a big deal to you? I suggest you find another MSU sport to follow if your standards arethat high..........on second thought, you might want to give up MSU sports all together. Might I suggest UK for basketball and Alabama for football.
Some of you beat all for never being happy with what wehave accomplished over the years. I guarandamntee if we make it to the Sweet 16 some jerk off will be on here saying we should have been in the Final Four. Am I happy with this year? <17> NO. If we don't get better then I want changes too but I am not going to **** on everything that Stansbury has accomplished at MSU.
DowntownDawg said:
I would not wipe my nose with an NIT ticket and it will be a colossal failure if that is all we get. I just have a feeling that we are about to get it together but I have been wrong about that a time or ten.
My issue is with these folksacting like we have sucked for 12 years under Stansbury just because we suck this year. It is like dealing with 5 year oldswith ADHD.
that we miss the 8 minutes Beckham gave us last year and the many turnovers...remember how many times he would make the first pass in our offense and then go stand in the corner to get out of the way?
Jarvis' back-ups last year over 36 games averaged 6 points and 3 rebounds....I just dont think we miss that either that much.
Jarvis' back-ups last year over 36 games averaged 6 points and 3 rebounds....I just dont think we miss that either that much.
How many titles did Fla state have before Bobby Bowden? Wasnt he still expected to compete nationally?
Miami was awful before Schellenberger...he got players there and now they expect to win
Miss State basketball when Stansbury took it over was not the same Miss State basketball of the previous 100 years...we were beginning to put more money and expectations into it. We had just been to a Final Four. Quit acting like it was the program Richard Williams took over- it wasnt even close. </p>
Stansbury took over a program that had been to the NCAA Tourney 3 of the last 7 years</p>
Miami was awful before Schellenberger...he got players there and now they expect to win
Miss State basketball when Stansbury took it over was not the same Miss State basketball of the previous 100 years...we were beginning to put more money and expectations into it. We had just been to a Final Four. Quit acting like it was the program Richard Williams took over- it wasnt even close. </p>
Stansbury took over a program that had been to the NCAA Tourney 3 of the last 7 years</p>
So that's what you're telling me. And, the 3 of 7 trips we had before he became head coach were due to the players he recruited. So, one could make an argument that Rick Stansbury has had a large hand in pretty much every single NCAA Tournament appearance we've ever had. We definitely could do better though.
if you really think the top 65 teams get in.
Making the NCAA tourney would be like going to the Independence Bowl.
Making the Sweet 16 would be like playing in the Cotton or Outback bowl.
I want to know how long Mullen has to get us to the Cotton before he is held to the Stansbury-standard.</p>
Making the NCAA tourney would be like going to the Independence Bowl.
Making the Sweet 16 would be like playing in the Cotton or Outback bowl.
I want to know how long Mullen has to get us to the Cotton before he is held to the Stansbury-standard.</p>
The problem is that Stans has consitently under-achieved as head coach and has failed to get over the hump. Part of the problem is that we lose to weak OOC teams year after year, there is a clear pattern. It all comes back to Stans not having his team ready to play, this year might be the worst b/c we had 5 returning starters from last year's team. He usually gives the excuse about how there is no team chemistry, that just doesn't fly with me anymore.[b said:
....all I know is that right now, we are a semi-miraculous run away from missing the NCAA tournament. Next year, we almost assuredly won't make it. The next year, we'll likely have a new coach. The sooner you accept this, the better.
For me, it's not so much about debating that Stansbury has always been terrible. To be fair, the basketball excitement around 2002 - 2004 kept the university athletics program from being a total abortion and those were good days, even though we didn't go as far as we should've. That said, it's fairly obvious that he is on a decline and his coaching life cycle is running out. This team is the biggest evidence of that.
Basically, as you and I have said, we need to go 6-2. Failing to do that, we won't make the tournament, and Stansbury, for all intents and purposes, will be wrapping up his career next year, barring something totally unforeseen like signing a big time post player that gives us a double-double every night or Sidney sticking around and being that guy or the team playing better with Bailey/Riek than Varnado. In short, very unlikely.
For me, it's not so much about debating that Stansbury has always been terrible. To be fair, the basketball excitement around 2002 - 2004 kept the university athletics program from being a total abortion and those were good days, even though we didn't go as far as we should've. That said, it's fairly obvious that he is on a decline and his coaching life cycle is running out. This team is the biggest evidence of that.
Basically, as you and I have said, we need to go 6-2. Failing to do that, we won't make the tournament, and Stansbury, for all intents and purposes, will be wrapping up his career next year, barring something totally unforeseen like signing a big time post player that gives us a double-double every night or Sidney sticking around and being that guy or the team playing better with Bailey/Riek than Varnado. In short, very unlikely.
1. conferences only got 1 bid until something like 1980 or so when the Tourney was expanded right? So, that appearances in the NCAA Tourney is a little weak...I'd suggest using the more modern system we have in place today. If you want to use the archaic system of old, Stansbury would only have 1 NCAA appearance
2. Is Stansbury the only basketball at Miss State that recruits or has ever recruited? He gets credit for recruiting Williams players, he gets credit for recruiting his own players now...shouldnt Kirby, Cunningham, and Grant at least try to recruit a little? It's unfair that Stansbury has to recruit everyone and still do all the coaching. No wonder he doesnt have time to install an offense.
2. Is Stansbury the only basketball at Miss State that recruits or has ever recruited? He gets credit for recruiting Williams players, he gets credit for recruiting his own players now...shouldnt Kirby, Cunningham, and Grant at least try to recruit a little? It's unfair that Stansbury has to recruit everyone and still do all the coaching. No wonder he doesnt have time to install an offense.
Mississippi was in a 3-way tie for 4th in the SEC,3rd place in the Westand went to the Cotton- thats how damn tough it is and how good the teams are in football
What would a 3-way tie for 4th in SEC basketball, with a 3rd place finish in basketball get you? We may be finding out come March
To compare the two is laughable and you know it
What would a 3-way tie for 4th in SEC basketball, with a 3rd place finish in basketball get you? We may be finding out come March
To compare the two is laughable and you know it
You are right. I stand corrected because we may not of been a top 65 team last year. This year we are sure as hell not a top 65 team. So let me re-phrase. 65 teams get in the tournament and all are at the very least decent. They may not be the top but it is still 65 teams which is a lot. So, just because we make that field of teams should not secure his job...unless we want to settle for mediocrity. I don't know about you, but I don't consider it fun when we make the tournament and everyone knows we are not going to make it past the second round. With our non-conference schedule every year, there should be no excuse to not make the tournament. And please never compare Stansbury's lack of success to Mullen's quick success in one year. They are quite the opposite. Mullen takes a severely inferior SEC talented team to a 5-7 record against the hardest schedule out of any team this decade in the NCAA. Not a good record, but takes our previous years' offenses and installs his and gives the team a spark offensively we haven't seen in quite some time. They are only seeming to get better. Next, we have Rick. Takes a team returning 5 starters and a few bench players...basically loses one player and even gains a couple freshmen. We lose our opener to Rider, Richmond, WKU, and then four out of the last five...WITH EVERYONE BACK. Hell no, please do not ever put Stansbury and Mullen in the same sentence ever again. Mullen has a clue about the sport he coaches. And the biggest difference is that Mullen knows how to utilize his players to their strengths. If Mullen ran an offense like Stansbury we would run 3 straight go routes, maybe even a deep post mixed in there to keep the opponent guessing and hope O'Neal super glued his hands before the play and came down with it. Kind of like our bball team running, stopping, and jackin up a three and Rick having no control of what they are doing...and either air-mailing the damn ball or building houses with all the bricks.MadDawg said:
Stansbury and Mullen aren't comparable at this point. Stansbury has done so, so, so, so much more. If Mullen would ever reach the success Stansbury has (making the NCAAT 6 out of 8 years = going to a bowl game 6 out of 8 years) we would erect a statue of him on campus and name a couple of streets "Dan Drive" and "Mullen Avenue".
Having said all that:
1. I like Mullen and think he has things going in the right direction
2. I am disappointed in our basketball season thus far.
Having said all that:
1. I like Mullen and think he has things going in the right direction
2. I am disappointed in our basketball season thus far.
for the lackluster performance of this team is ignorant. I'm cool with pointing out where a player played like ****, or what he can do to make us better, but don't try to blame them for having the worst offensive scheme maybe in the history of the SEC. Just like everybody got on Crooms *** when he wouldn't take blame for the way the team played, and then people are turning around and saying its the players fault and not Stans when we lose. Thats just as one-sided as it can get. I like Stans as a person, but he sucks dick as a coach. Its his fault we are playing like ****, he recruited the players, he is responsible for their development.
...that really adds to the board.
Let me ask you this. If Bury misses the tourney this year and next, do you want him fired? Is that ok with you?
Let me ask you this. If Bury misses the tourney this year and next, do you want him fired? Is that ok with you?
No, I would not want him fired. He would be on a very short leash going into the 2011 season, but no, I would not fire him. Whether you like it or not, he's the most successful coach we've ever had in basketball. Sure, his offensive schemes and handling of some of his players sometimes leave something to be desired, but for the most part, he gets the job done and has us competing year in, year out for an NCAA Tournament birth. Some of y'all are going to realize one day how good we've had it under Rick Stansbury, when he's gone. Just like Jackie.
If we fail to make the tournament these next few years he should probably go. If we fail to make the tournament these next few years, and he misses out on these top guys in the state of Mississippi that are coming out next year then his *** needs to definitely be gone
and if that's the case, we miss the Tourney these next 3 years and he loses out on the top MS recruits, I agree that he should be gone as well. If we don't make it this year or next, with the success he's had at State, he gets at least one more year to turn it around. We owe him that much, just like we owed it to Sherrill. And Stansbury has come nowhere close to the disaster that was Sherrill's last 3 years.
following that with 2 seasons without making the tournament would then be a trend. We do that and miss out on this top talent coming out of Mississippi and we are screwed
...22 wins ain't gettin' it done, period, unless we beat UT and Kentucky, and maybe one of them aGAIN in the SEC tourney.
8Dog is right...those early losses are nothing short of devastatingfor us.
8Dog is right...those early losses are nothing short of devastatingfor us.
...I don't want to diminish a SEC tourney championship. But he has a point...last year, the conference was flat-out ******. Winning that championship was like winning a sprint in the special olympics because the retard in front of you tripped. I'm glad we won, but it says a lot that we won 23 games, mostly against nobodies, and still needed to win our tournament to get into the big dance.
I guess what I'm saying is that you can give Stans a lot of credit for what he's done to date, and it's deserving. But crowing about last year is kinda hollow.
I guess what I'm saying is that you can give Stans a lot of credit for what he's done to date, and it's deserving. But crowing about last year is kinda hollow.