Now, we're down to enrollment smack.
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I just saw a list of this years entering class at the dental school down there. We had over double the number of grads in it they did. They started counting UMC when they realized they would never pass us otherwise. When I was at UMC it was NOT counted as part of UM enrollment.
Yep, I know several that went to MSU undergrad with me, that later went to UMC.
Wonder who they support now?
Jackson and Oxford are on two different planets.
Wonder who they support now?
Jackson and Oxford are on two different planets.
We count Meridian and used to count Waterways in Vicksburg. We boasted about it the past few years - now they got the title.
There is a legitimate gripe going on here. But it's not what you think about off campus enrollees.
It's about the fact that there are an incredible amount of kids that cannot get into Georgia, Texas and other law schools because they have restrictive FRESHMAN enrollment requirements for a degree in law.
What those very same schools dont have are restrictive enrollment requirements for transfer students. Thus, get a year behind you somewhere, and you are able to transfer into a highly respected law school with a much more relaxed standard than you had when you wanted to be a freshman there.
Thus, the enrollment rate at the school that first accepts the kids looks great if one only looks at freshmen enrollment. Party for a year while biding your time, then go to get the degree you wanted in the first place.
I'll let the pack fill in where those kids are enrolling.
It's about the fact that there are an incredible amount of kids that cannot get into Georgia, Texas and other law schools because they have restrictive FRESHMAN enrollment requirements for a degree in law.
What those very same schools dont have are restrictive enrollment requirements for transfer students. Thus, get a year behind you somewhere, and you are able to transfer into a highly respected law school with a much more relaxed standard than you had when you wanted to be a freshman there.
Thus, the enrollment rate at the school that first accepts the kids looks great if one only looks at freshmen enrollment. Party for a year while biding your time, then go to get the degree you wanted in the first place.
I'll let the pack fill in where those kids are enrolling.
Uh, really? I'm not that far removed from law school
and I don't recall many, if any, second year transfers. There were a few dropouts though. So I'm just going to assume that you either pulled that straight from your *** or are listening to people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
and I don't recall many, if any, second year transfers. There were a few dropouts though. So I'm just going to assume that you either pulled that straight from your *** or are listening to people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
Law school is a graduate program, not a program a freshman can enter in to.
As for the UMC gripe, their degree does say "University of Mississippi" on it, so I don't see the issue. As for the two or 3 year program, some are actually the 3rd and 4th year of their program (post-pre requisites) and some are graduate programs. The medical residents are paid a measly salary, but they also are still "graded", go to "classes" every day, and I believe even required to do journal club, etc etc.
As for the UMC gripe, their degree does say "University of Mississippi" on it, so I don't see the issue. As for the two or 3 year program, some are actually the 3rd and 4th year of their program (post-pre requisites) and some are graduate programs. The medical residents are paid a measly salary, but they also are still "graded", go to "classes" every day, and I believe even required to do journal club, etc etc.
But to be enrolled in Georgia or Texas as a freshman
with the intent on graduating with a degree in law, or anything for that matter, the standards are restrictive. That is not so with transfers and what I was getting at. What tells the tale is that the number of kids that enroll at UM and transfer back out to schools with tougher entrance standards for freshmen as opposed to what they can delare later, is staggering.
If you dont believe me, so be it. Truth nonetheless.
with the intent on graduating with a degree in law, or anything for that matter, the standards are restrictive. That is not so with transfers and what I was getting at. What tells the tale is that the number of kids that enroll at UM and transfer back out to schools with tougher entrance standards for freshmen as opposed to what they can delare later, is staggering.
If you dont believe me, so be it. Truth nonetheless.
You can believe what you want.
didnt pull it from my ***. What matters is this: an inordinate number of kids from states that have schools that offer law degrees have FAR greater entrance standards for freshmen. Those same schools have far LOWER entrance standards for transfers.
There is a school that benefits from this.
didnt pull it from my ***. What matters is this: an inordinate number of kids from states that have schools that offer law degrees have FAR greater entrance standards for freshmen. Those same schools have far LOWER entrance standards for transfers.
There is a school that benefits from this.
Stating that freshman enroll at Ole Miss and then transfer is much different
than stating that people enroll in Ole Miss law school and then transfer to another law school. The latter is what you originally posted, whether you meant to or not. I'm not sure anyone is debating you on the issue of 18 year old freshman who later transfer.
than stating that people enroll in Ole Miss law school and then transfer to another law school. The latter is what you originally posted, whether you meant to or not. I'm not sure anyone is debating you on the issue of 18 year old freshman who later transfer.
Where they are gaining is out of state students plain and simple. OM
is taking better advantage of in particular TX students that cannot get in at TX or A&M. TX now only auto accepts the top 6% of graduating SRs. and A&M top 10%. LSU, OK, OK St, OM are making out like bandits with these students. Until this year, MSU did not have a recruiter in Houston, but even Miss. College did. Now we have 2 this year. But, OM has had one just in Houston for 5-6 years. MS does not have enough college qualifying kids to keep MSU, OM, and USM growing. MSU is going to have to look out of state. Secondly, based on the top recruiter that I met last year, we need a change there.
is taking better advantage of in particular TX students that cannot get in at TX or A&M. TX now only auto accepts the top 6% of graduating SRs. and A&M top 10%. LSU, OK, OK St, OM are making out like bandits with these students. Until this year, MSU did not have a recruiter in Houston, but even Miss. College did. Now we have 2 this year. But, OM has had one just in Houston for 5-6 years. MS does not have enough college qualifying kids to keep MSU, OM, and USM growing. MSU is going to have to look out of state. Secondly, based on the top recruiter that I met last year, we need a change there.
The problem is that the residents aren't counted as students according to federal standards. UM used this group to jump back over State in head count a couple of years ago, and when the federal guidelines were clarified to exclude them, UM kept including them for publicity purposes.
I think this is what gravedigger was getting at. It's not that it's tougher to get into UT law school, it's that its tougher to get into UT or A&M undergrad. UGa and others, too.
Unless he was talking about post-1L transfers, which I think is off base.
A friend of my sister's did exactly that--her first year of law school was at Ole Miss then she transferred to Brooklyn Law School because it was much easy to qualify as a transfer than to get into it initially.
Mississippi State has been actively recruiting Texas for at least 5 years running for quality high school students who cannot get into Texas or A&M. This effort has been driven in some locations by local alumni association chapters. Having a full time recruiter or two in Houston helps, but efforts have been successful in the east Texas area despite a recruiter presence in Houston or not. Now that I think about it, I'm quite certain State had a full time guy in Houston for one year a few years back, but he moved on to a better paying job elsewhere.
You're off base on the law school transfer issue.
There used to be a handful in each class that were open about the fact that they were only at UM b/c it was the best place they could get in and wanted to use their 1L grades at UM to transfer to a more prestigious law school. Not sure how many people had it in their mind but didn't make good enough grades to do it. Can't remember more than a person or two each year that actually did it, either because they didn't perform well enough or because they decided they were fine at UM.
So I don't think it's a significant enough number of people to actually affect anything at the law school, but it was (is?) definitely something that happened.
There used to be a handful in each class that were open about the fact that they were only at UM b/c it was the best place they could get in and wanted to use their 1L grades at UM to transfer to a more prestigious law school. Not sure how many people had it in their mind but didn't make good enough grades to do it. Can't remember more than a person or two each year that actually did it, either because they didn't perform well enough or because they decided they were fine at UM.
So I don't think it's a significant enough number of people to actually affect anything at the law school, but it was (is?) definitely something that happened.