NYT front page editorial calling for outlawing certain guns

[WVUBRU]

http://news.yahoo.com/york-times-rare-front-page-editorial-calls-outlawing-071431605.html

100% support from me as my viewpoints would take it even further. But this isn't a new opinion and the usual rebuttals will happen which I won't participate in as everything has already been said many times over. The interesting part to me is there might be a move by more Americans to this line of thinking. I guess we will see.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

http://news.yahoo.com/york-times-rare-front-page-editorial-calls-outlawing-071431605.html

100% support from me as my viewpoints would take it even further. But this isn't a new opinion and the usual rebuttals will happen which I won't participate in as everything has already been said many times over. The interesting part to me is there might be a move by more Americans to this line of thinking. I guess we will see.

Well we know it isn't going to happen anytime with the current congress in office.

 

[WVUBRU]

Well we know it isn't going to happen anytime with the current congress in office.

That is a very true statement

 

[WVPATX]

Well we know it isn't going to happen anytime with the current congress in office.

The '94 assault weapons ban did not work as even Pro Publica admits:

http://www.propublica.org/article/fact-checking-feinstein-on-the-assault-weapons-ban

Heck, even the NY Times admits it may not work as they noted: "but at least other countries are trying." Libs want to do something that makes them feel good. Conservatives want to do something that will actually save lives like focusing on crime prevention. But libs don't want any part of that. Why? It would mean increased police presence, programs like stop and frisk and much harsher penalties for crimes committed with guns, illegal possession of guns and illegal buying of guns (straw purchasers).

 

[Mntneer]

Which guns? I'm assuming long guns? AR's?

Well... people know my stance as well. I'm not sure we'll see a major shift in a call to ban any guns, considering the lack of effect in areas that bans have taken place, but then again this country has done a lot of things I never saw coming.

 

[rog1187]

Which guns? I'm assuming long guns? AR's?

Well... people know my stance as well. I'm not sure we'll see a major shift in a call to ban any guns, considering the lack of effect in areas that bans have taken place, but then again this country has done a lot of things I never saw coming.

I'm thinking of grabbing a Mini 14 or an AR...just can't decide which way I want to go.

 

[Mntneer]

I'm thinking of grabbing a Mini 14 or an AR...just can't decide which way I want to go.

Get both. The Mini is a fun little rifle, and fairly accurate these days, though I think I would opt for an M1.

However the AR platform just can't be beat. The combination of calibers you can run on an AR make it so versatile. Easy to shoot and accurate out to 500+ yards. Those that say you can't hunt with one don't understand the first thing about them.

 

[mneilmont]

Get both. The Mini is a fun little rifle, and fairly accurate these days, though I think I would opt for an M1.

However the AR platform just can't be beat. The combination of calibers you can run on an AR make it so versatile. Easy to shoot and accurate out to 500+ yards. Those that say you can't hunt with one don't understand the first thing about them.

What the hell are you hunting? Do you want to kill them or give them a heart attack.

 

[EERs 3:16]

"Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership," the New York Times editorial said.

They can't even give specifics....kind of makes you wonder if they know what they're talking about.

 

[TarHeelEer]

What the hell are you hunting? Do you want to kill them or give them a heart attack.

I've always wanted an AR, but it's just not been the right place and time yet. Maybe when the kids are out of the house. The best thing about it compared to others is the modularity, plug and play baby. It could replace 2 or 3 of my current rifles. It's not anymore lethal than other guns of the semi-auto long gun variety.

 

[EERs 3:16]

What the hell are you hunting? Do you want to kill them or give them a heart attack.

Depends on how good of a shot you really are.

 

[mneilmont]

Depends on how good of a shot you really are.

I guess that was sorta what I was talking about. I could normally drive a nail with my rifle - hit the nail at times with my revolver.

 

[Mntneer]

I guess that was sorta what I was talking about. I could normally drive a nail with my rifle - hit the nail at times with my revolver.

What the hell are you hunting? Do you want to kill them or give them a heart attack.

You can hunt a wide variety. Whether it's .223, .308, 300 Blackout, 6.7mm, etc. you can put together pretty much any combination and have the same accuracy you'd get with most bolt actions.

Hell, hitting 18" gongs at 300 yards with a .223 round and iron sights can be done, takes practice, but accuracy of the rifle is not an issue. My first deer was with a Mini-14.

 

[Mntneer]

I guess that was sorta what I was talking about. I could normally drive a nail with my rifle - hit the nail at times with my revolver.

What the hell are you hunting? Do you want to kill them or give them a heart attack.

You can hunt a wide variety. Whether it's .223, .308, 300 Blackout, 6.7mm, etc. you can put together pretty much any combination and have the same accuracy you'd get with most bolt actions.

Hell, hitting 18" gongs at 300 yards with a .223 round and iron sights can be done, takes practice, but accuracy of the rifle is not an issue. My first deer was with a Mini-14.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

You can hunt a wide variety. Whether it's .223, .308, 300 Blackout, 6.7mm, etc. you can put together pretty much any combination and have the same accuracy you'd get with most bolt actions.

Hell, hitting 18" gongs at 300 yards with a .223 round and iron sights can be done, takes practice, but accuracy of the rifle is not an issue. My first deer was with a Mini-14.

I can put 9 of 10 in human silhouette target at 500 yards with iron sights with an AR.

People really have no idea what they are talking about when they start suggesting changes with firearms. The only thing that "could" cause an impact is magazine capacity (which Cali already has).

 

[WVUBRU]

I can put 9 of 10 in human silhouette target at 500 yards with iron sights with an AR.

Ok, we get that these type of weapons are good at hunting down humans. We see it with all the murders in this country. This is the point being made by those that want change to the gun rights and laws in the country.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Ok, we get that these type of weapons are good at hunting down humans. We see it with all the murders in this country. This is the point being made by those that want change to the gun rights and laws in the country.

I can put 10 of 10 with a bolt action into a 12 inch target at 500. My point was there is no difference.

 

[WVUBRU]

I can put 10 of 10 with a bolt action into a 12 inch target at 500. My point was there is no difference.

The difference in my viewpoint that there are legitimate purposes for certain weapons and no purpose for others in today's society.

 

[TarHeelEer]

The difference in my viewpoint that there are legitimate purposes for certain weapons and no purpose for others in today's society.

? He just told you the purposes.

 

[Mntneer]

The difference in my viewpoint that there are legitimate purposes for certain weapons and no purpose for others in today's society.

But the purposes are exactly the same. Accurately delivering a round at a long distance. Can be done with a scary looking black rifle or a non-scary wooden rifle.

 

[WVUBRU]

Accurately delivering a round at a long distance.

And is it possible if we change how society thinks and uses these type of weapons, an impact in violent crimes could be reduced?

 

[TarHeelEer]

And is it possible if we change how society thinks and uses these type of weapons, an impact in violent crimes could be reduced?

The low hanging fruit is handguns.

 

[BigLickMountee]

I can put 9 of 10 in human silhouette target at 500 yards with iron sights with an AR.

People really have no idea what they are talking about when they start suggesting changes with firearms. The only thing that "could" cause an impact is magazine capacity (which Cali already has).

I have a Sig Sauer M4 with iron sights and you'd hit 10 of 10. The Nikon scope I zeroed yesterday will place all 10 exactly where you want them.

I enjoy target shooting at all distances. The AR, IMO, is the best all around rifle for the money.

If the AR isn't good enough then the M14A1 is. It's 308 round, larger than a 223, in competition shooting is well proven. The navy still uses them on ship. West Point still issues them as well.

I have a CZ 75 so-01 pistol and can, and have, shot out the center bullseye at 20 yards. This is another competition shooting level pistol. Very smooth.

 

[mneilmont]

I can put 9 of 10 in human silhouette target at 500 yards with iron sights with an AR.

People really have no idea what they are talking about when they start suggesting changes with firearms. The only thing that "could" cause an impact is magazine capacity (which Cali already has).

What would be the application for hunting with this type armament?

 

[mneilmont]

I can put 10 of 10 with a bolt action into a 12 inch target at 500. My point was there is no difference.

That too is some fine shooting. You changed targets as you changed guns - why? Bolt action with 12" disc, and you are scoring 10/10. Bolt action results would suggest more precision? What would be the game you hunt with each?

Your bolt action gun in line with old "long rifle" or buffalo gun?

As you can readily tell, I have no experience with this kind of firepower - nor distance.

 

[rog1187]

What would be the application for hunting with this type armament?

To kill a deer or other large game. My dad shot a buck at 490-500 yds this past Saturday - right through the heart. Of course he was using a 7mm with a Nikon scope...he is 72 years old so the ole eyes need the help.

 

[WVUBRU]

The low hanging fruit is handguns.

I know. My viewpoint would address all guns and legal ownership bringing the second amendment relative to today's society. Again, this is old discussion points and too busy to rehash same stuff as it is nowhere near reality of anything changing

 

[mneilmont]

To kill a deer or other large game. My dad shot a buck at 490-500 yds this past Saturday - right through the heart. Of course he was using a 7mm with a Nikon scope...he is 72 years old so the ole eyes need the help.

Never had a place that was clear for 5-700 yds. Watch those Alaska TV shows and those people don't seem to want to fire at a target beyond 300 yds. Maybe those people just cannot shoot worth a ****. Have suspected that on some of the deer that they miss a kill-spot or the entire deer at 300. Think they could be nervous because they are shooting for family meals?

 

[rog1187]

Never had a place that was clear for 5-700 yds. Watch those Alaska TV shows and those people don't seem to want to fire at a target beyond 300 yds. Maybe those people just cannot shoot worth a ****. Have suspected that on some of the deer that they miss a kill-spot or the entire deer at 300. Think they could be nervous because they are shooting for family meals?

We have a farm with some long range shots. Most of what I look into is 180 max - although we have a new gas line that has cleared a shot of 270 yds and I'm hoping to get a chance at that this weekend.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

I can put 9 of 10 in human silhouette target at 500 yards with iron sights with an AR.

I call ********.

 

[Popeer]

I call ********.

I wouldn't, if he's a Marine-trained marksman.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

I wouldn't, if he's a Marine-trained marksman.

That's a VERY tall order even for a Marine trained marksman. Iron sights at 500 yards, you would be very lucky to even hit a vehicle.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I call ********.

Call it all you like. We train in the Marine Corps at the 500 yard line. The lowest I ever shot at the 500 yard line was a 6 and that was with full value winds. All with iron sites.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I wouldn't, if he's a Marine-trained marksman.

5th award expert on the rifle and 3rd award pistol.

 

[moe]

That's a VERY tall order even for a Marine trained marksman. Iron sights at 500 yards, you would be very lucky to even hit a vehicle.

I can drive a tack at a 1,000 yards with a slingshot and I know everything there is to know about slingshots but I digress. It's a message board and you say anything, true or not.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

That too is some fine shooting. You changed targets as you changed guns - why? Bolt action with 12" disc, and you are scoring 10/10. Bolt action results would suggest more precision? What would be the game you hunt with each?

Your bolt action gun in line with old "long rifle" or buffalo gun?

As you can readily tell, I have no experience with this kind of firepower - nor distance.

Bolt action has a scope on it generally. At least I've never shot one that didn't.

You asked what you hunt with them each. That's what we have been saying, the caliber of bullet is basically the same. Most ARs are 5.56mm or more commonly the .223 caliber. You can easily kill a deer with this round. However, shooting prairie dogs out west is a lot of fun with it.

The higher caliber is a 7.62mm or .308 caliber. This is about the best round there is in my opinion. .270 was used in the M70 (bolt action sniper rifle of the Vietnam war).

Honestly, other than magazine capacity, there is nothing special about an Assault Weapon from any other semi-auto weapon.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I can drive a tack at a 1,000 yards with a slingshot and I know everything there is to know about slingshots but I digress. It's a message board and you say anything, true or not.

When I get back, I'll post a pic of my shooting badges if I can remember. I've long since trashed my range books.

And yes, I have shot at the 1000 yrd line as well with some higher caliber stuff.

 

[Mntneer]

I call ********.

At that range it's more about wind, bullet drop, etc. If you know the round, you can compensate for it and hit at 500.

What would be the application for hunting with this type armament?

Hunting is about the round, not the weapon. Small game, large game.... action of the rifle isn't the issue.

 

[mneilmont]

At that range it's more about wind, bullet drop, etc. If you know the round, you can compensate for it and hit at 500.



Hunting is about the round, not the weapon. Small game, large game.... action of the rifle isn't the issue.

What would you use for Elfnut or Rhino? I have never killed an animal in my life. 1st grade, I Killed a bird with a slingshot and it didn't really feel good. would not say the same about a man.

I didn't think the autos were that precise. Practice with Thompson sub-machine, I could not hit a barn with the second round and beyond. That was the root of earlier post, "shoot, or try to scare to death".

 

[mneilmont]

What would you use for Elfnut or Rhino? I have never killed an animal in my life. 1st grade, I Killed a bird with a slingshot and it didn't really feel good. would not say the same about a man.

I didn't think the autos were that precise. Practice with Thompson sub-machine, I could not hit a barn with the second round and beyond. That was the root of earlier post, "shoot, or try to scare to death".

Deviating a little, within my family, we/they had blueprint and design of a Korean shotgun that was recoilless. Keep squeezing (or hold down) and it would shoot double 0s into the same pattern. Saw film demonstration of it shooting a hole into cinder/concrete blocks that the shooter walked thru the hole shot into the wall after one clip. Patent office and Firearms would not give permission to manufacture the guns in the US - too much killing power was reason given for turn-down.

I thought it would be a hell of weapon to take into a drug bust or close range military ckirmish.