Obama "Just choose what works"

op2

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I'm guessing you posting this means you disagree with it. It sounds pretty good to me. The problem is that although politicians talk sensibly like that to get elected, after they get elected they don't behave as sensibly.
 

BigLickMountee

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I'm guessing you posting this means you disagree with it. It sounds pretty good to me. The problem is that although politicians talk sensibly like that to get elected, after they get elected they don't behave as sensibly.

I'm guessing you posting this means you don't disagree with politicians you vote for/support who behave insensibly contrary to their pre-election sensibilities. Yet you say it's a problem. For whom, the critic or you the supporter?

Never mind. You rarely say what you mean the first time around.
 

op2

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I'm guessing you posting this means you don't disagree with politicians you vote for/support who behave insensibly contrary to their pre-election sensibilities. Yet you say it's a problem. For whom, the critic or you the supporter?

Never mind. You rarely say what you mean the first time around.

I don't know what you're getting at but what I'm saying is that what Obama says in the clip sounds good to me. AFAIC too many people think in terms of left or right or socialist or capitalist first instead of letting the particular specifics of a situation speak. For example, for a long time the federally run post office was the best way to do all kinda of mail. Okay, great. Then eventually FedEx and others (including the advent of e-mail) found better ways to do a lot of what the USPS does and now the USPS does less. That's great too because the USPS is no longer best.

Speaking of that topic, know what I think they ought to do with the USPS now? Cut mail delivery in half, from six days a week to three. With all the private deliverers plus all the stuff that can be sent electronically, is it really necessary to send someone from the federal government to everybodys house six days every week? I think not. I get mail delivered every day but I don't even check it but 2-3 times per week because it's not that important anymore.

But here's the problem. When people get accustomed to a certain level of service they don't want it to go away even if the service isn't that useful. So if you tried to drop USPS deliveries from six days a week to three, people would scream. OTOH if there was no USPS and you started one and said they were going to come to everyones house six days a week people would say it's ridiculous and unnecessary. And they'd be right.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I don't know what you're getting at but what I'm saying is that what Obama says in the clip sounds good to me. AFAIC too many people think in terms of left or right or socialist or capitalist first instead of letting the particular specifics of a situation speak. For example, for a long time the federally run post office was the best way to do all kinda of mail. Okay, great. Then eventually FedEx and others (including the advent of e-mail) found better ways to do a lot of what the USPS does and now the USPS does less. That's great too because the USPS is no longer best.

Speaking of that topic, know what I think they ought to do with the USPS now? Cut mail delivery in half, from six days a week to three. With all the private deliverers plus all the stuff that can be sent electronically, is it really necessary to send someone from the federal government to everybodys house six days every week? I think not. I get mail delivered every day but I don't even check it but 2-3 times per week because it's not that important anymore.

But here's the problem. When people get accustomed to a certain level of service they don't want it to go away even if the service isn't that useful. So if you tried to drop USPS deliveries from six days a week to three, people would scream. OTOH if there was no USPS and you started one and said they were going to come to everyones house six days a week people would say it's ridiculous and unnecessary. And they'd be right.
I'll agree about the USPS. I would hazard a guess and say 75% of the stuff in my mailbox goes in the trash unopened.
 

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I'm guessing you posting this means you disagree with it. It sounds pretty good to me. The problem is that although politicians talk sensibly like that to get elected, after they get elected they don't behave as sensibly.

Defining what works is the problem. Socialism and Communism are diseases. They work until you run out of money. We're just about out of blood from the turnip.
 

mneilmont

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Perhaps Postal should reconsider revenue source. Charge patron two cents for every non-essential that is filtered. I could have paid a couple months rent during this campaign season if I could reverse the charge to the sender. Everything I return unopened pays me 2 cents and Postal 2cents.
 

BigLickMountee

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Perhaps Postal should reconsider revenue source. Charge patron two cents for every non-essential that is filtered. I could have paid a couple months rent during this campaign season if I could reverse the charge to the sender. Everything I return unopened pays me 2 cents and Postal 2cents.
I've talked to my postal worker patients and they say the leadership of the PO want a tax on emails sent out to recoup, at least, what would have been used in stamp/letter processing.

there goes social media alone if that ever passed. parents couldn't afford it.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I've talked to my postal worker patients and they say the leadership of the PO want a tax on emails sent out to recoup, at least, what would have been used in stamp/letter processing.

there goes social media alone if that ever passed. parents couldn't afford it.
Or we could just reduce the footprint of the postal service, Kevin Costner be damned.
 

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The biggest problem is not the government. It's the people that run them. They turn into tyrants. Then that utopia crumbles. Communism will always fail. It's a lie it's against people not for them. It's been proven that our way of government is far from perfect but certainly is better for all. Bad people always wants to rule the good.