ObamaGate
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Well, to be fair, the only abuses we know about stem across all 8 years of Obama’s Presidency.
It's all about the benjamins. How about the environment, worker safety, consumer protection, etc.?
But...I thought @WVUBRU was on the side of truth? He must be like his lord and savior Groping Joe Biden... "We believe TRUTH over FACTS!" [laughing]
I thought @countryroads89 said Trump colluded with Russia?
Silly, brainwashed leftists....[jumpingsmile]
Feel free to post links to FISA abuses under Trump or Bush for that matter.
We know they happened a lot under Obama starting with Snowden’s revelations.
That was about the Patriot Act
A declassified FISC order from 2002 gives a glimpse into how serious the omissions were: In one case the FBI failed to tell the court that the person they were seeking a FISA warrant to surveil was, in fact, one of their own informants.
The court expressed concern that “misinformation found its way into the FISA applications and remained uncorrected for more than one year despite procedures to verify the accuracy of FISA pleadings.”
I can't believe I missed this thread last week as I surely would have offered a few choice perspectives from my "Negro" experience with Democrat politicians. However let me ask this to the folks on the Left who claim Democrats care so much more for the economic prosperity of Black folks.
If that's true, why don't Democrats support changes in community banking regulations that would make it easier for small community based lenders to capitalize in their primary neighborhoods and begin making small business loans to minority owned businesses? Every time that legislation is brought up, Democrats in the Senate banking committee, or the House Ways and Means committee oppose changes in either the tax laws or banking regulations under FDIC holding requirements that would allow more of these types of institutions to flourish in inner cities.
Republicans support the changes, Democrats oppose them. Why?
Also, why don't Democrat teacher Unions and school boards support changes in the funding formulas for local school districts that would free up dollars to be given directly to poor Black parents so they can shop for the types of alternative schools to educate their kids as they see fit? School choice vouchers are wildly popular in Black communities except among Educators and Bureaucrats. Republicans support allowing that type of flexibility to Black parents in need of financial assistance to place their kids into better private or charter schools. Democrats oppose that. Why?
Others ITT mentioned enterprise zones, and the increases of Black wages since Trump's come into office, I won't re-hash those...but as to the prediction that Trump will not gain more Black support this election cycle than any other Republican candidate in history....I'll just remind you the same people telling you that also told you Hillary Clinton would defeat Trump with better than 92% African American support.
How'd that prediction work out?
If that's true, why don't Democrats support changes in community banking regulations that would make it easier for small community based lenders to capitalize in their primary neighborhoods and begin making small business loans to minority owned businesses? Every time that legislation is brought up, Democrats in the Senate banking committee, or the House Ways and Means committee oppose changes in either the tax laws or banking regulations under FDIC holding requirements that would allow more of these types of institutions to flourish in inner cities.
Republicans support the changes, Democrats oppose them. Why?
Also, why don't Democrat teacher Unions and school boards support changes in the funding formulas for local school districts that would free up dollars to be given directly to poor Black parents so they can shop for the types of alternative schools to educate their kids as they see fit? School choice vouchers are wildly popular in Black communities except among Educators and Bureaucrats. Republicans support allowing that type of flexibility to Black parents in need of financial assistance to place their kids into better private or charter schools. Democrats oppose that. Why?
Others ITT mentioned enterprise zones, and the increases of Black wages since Trump's come into office, I won't re-hash those...but as to the prediction that Trump will not gain more Black support this election cycle than any other Republican candidate in history....I'll just remind you the same people telling you that also told you Hillary Clinton would defeat Trump with better than 92% African American support.
How'd that prediction work out?
FISC was a byproduct of the Patriot Act.
The example you listed, that’s what you’re using as abuse? Whoa Nelly. You better strap in if that’s how low you’re setting the bar. It’s gon get bumpy for ya, son.
No one is saying only liberals do things that are unconstitutional. But leftists do seem to want to destroy the Constitution.
Of course. We can’t know the long-term affects of what President Trump is doing now. We know the immediate effects of what he did caused the economy to Boom.
How many boom-bust cycles do we have to see before we stop only judging success by the boom?
Like separation of powers? Ignoring subpoenas? Outright ignoring the law? Dropping charges against someone who has pleaded guilty? Throwing out convictions of war crimes?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Well this post makes it pretty clear that you don’t understand what unconstitutional means.
Attorney General Bill Barr said Monday he does not expect U.S. Attorney John Durham’s review into the origins of the Russia probe will lead to a “criminal investigation” of either former President Barack Obama or former Vice President Joe Biden -- while noting that their concern of “potential criminality” in the conduct of that probe is “focused on others.”
Again, there is a direct correlation between the activity of the president and the boost to the economy. It’s not about a boom-bust cycle. It’s about deregulation increasing business opportunity.
Take a note from moe. He’s not trying to argue the facts of the economy. He’s attacking on the environmental impact. He may have something there. But when you argue against the facts of this economy, you lose credibility.
It’s not great right now. And I’m pissed he gets to slime his way out of the actual results we would have seen in several yearsGlad to see you admit Trump is responsible for the great economy.
W played the same hand - to the tune of the biggest bust in 70 years, no? I’m arguing that the “direct” impact of economic policy as driven by the WH and Congress expands a little further than the next Q
what policy decision did W create causing the bust?
Did he wait too late to react too?
You calling someone, anyone, a moron is like Hitler lecturing people on multiculturalism’s positives.
To answer your question, no. Bush and Obama operated under the same economic theory. They differed on how to manage the economy under that theory. President Trump has a different economic theory under which he operates. It is the one held by true economic conservatives for nearly 100 years.
Great economy? Ummmm did you just wake from a months long coma?Glad to see you admit Trump is responsible for the great economy.
The country will be in an economic depression when Trump leaves office in a few months.
There wasn't a chance that Trump would attempt to do what they attempted to do. Trump will just punish them in the media and twitter.
You're the one who claimed to support someone "defending the Constitution" who has literally attacked it at every single opportunity and then you post garbage on here as evidence that you believe just the opposite. You trumpers are supporting the biggest con man in the history of this country and yet believe the previous administration was corrupt. It is the most hilarious thing I have ever seen. I would have never imagined that any person in this country could have got 38%-40% of the country to believe the main stream media is "corrupt and lying" while he, one of the biggest con men, is honest. It's both funny and sad at the same time. It's sad to believe that this many people in America are this stupid. Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Stone, Cohen, Papadopoulos, Van der Zwaan, and Pindeo. That's 8 people in the trump campaign who have either been convicted or have pleaded guilty. But Obama, but Hillary, "Lock Her Up," unmasking, yadda yadda yadda.
Need to start working on a really good name for the next one. I got it! Bidengate.