This is sad to read. Mr. Tubman wanted to stay at UK, but our ultra liberal student board wouldn't give the allegations against him close to the same scrutiny that one of the toughest prosecutors in Kentucky did.
Of course: Lloyd Tubman might be playing for UL this fall
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Oh no you don't.
They have come close to making a mockery of one of my prime philosophical standbys, "cheaters never prosper".
Of course the "Hall" may still open a lot of things to questioning, like how in hell did hurtt win the NCOTY at Transfer U when they know exactly how he did it at the U--------although the NCAA is truly incompetent and after showing it with their investigation of the U (that really did get a slap on the wrist considering what hURTT did there, with the help of the $940,000,000 his friend swindled people out of) they just wanted to run and hide and get that mess over with. jurich really hit it lucky there IMO.
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[I hate Otis worse than probably anyone , but I do not blame them here
16 sluggercatfan, Today at 5:47 PM
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"jauk11, post: 4518867, member: 5222"]
Oh no you don't.
They have come close to making a mockery of one of my prime philosophical standbys, "cheaters never prosper".
Of course the "Hall" may still open a lot of things to questioning, like how in hell did hurtt win the NROTY at Transfer U when they know exactly how he did it at the U--------although the NCAA is truly incompetent and after showing it with their investigation of the U (that really did get a slap on the wrist considering what hURTT did there, with the help of the $940,000,000 his friend swindled people out of) they just wanted to run and hide and get that mess over with. jurich really hit it lucky there IMO.[/QUOTE]
16 sluggercatfan, Today at 5:47 PM
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"jauk11, post: 4518867, member: 5222"]
Oh no you don't.
They have come close to making a mockery of one of my prime philosophical standbys, "cheaters never prosper".
Of course the "Hall" may still open a lot of things to questioning, like how in hell did hurtt win the NROTY at Transfer U when they know exactly how he did it at the U--------although the NCAA is truly incompetent and after showing it with their investigation of the U (that really did get a slap on the wrist considering what hURTT did there, with the help of the $940,000,000 his friend swindled people out of) they just wanted to run and hide and get that mess over with. jurich really hit it lucky there IMO.[/QUOTE]
Don't blame them but it's still amusing how they continually live off others leftovers and pretend like the rest of the country doesn't notice.
That statement can be true with Tubman not being an example of it...
I disagree with the first part of your post, I for one am not at all amused and am tired of them doing anything and everything to win------I do agree with the second part of your post though-------Although I am quite surprised at how little the rest of the country seems to notice.
And ESPN in particular seems to be determined to pretend that the real NROTY at UL never existed and have conferred that honor 100% on Strong.
But then UL seems to have taken the same tack, geez, an adulterer for both your main sports, and wasn't Strong just involved in some divorce case, it looks t me like jurich has enough image problems to furnish several colleges..
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tammefan.... I haven't read ALL the threads about LT's incident but your post is the first time I've read much about "the other one"....Too much about the alleged encounter sent my BS indicator moving into the danger zone.... To be honest when I look back on our AD's body-of-work; the fiesta surrounding Brooks hire, Tubby leaving in a lurch, BCG, CJP, the LT thing, and now MM ... i'm left with this thought...
Some people can eat and thrive on foods that some just don't have the stomach to handle... So when it come to BS (what comes to mind whenever MB opens his mouth) some just can't get enough of it... It don't make any of them bad people... Just means that the people that put it out there will always have a market for folks willing to buy what they're selling.
BCG was the point when I got off the MB bus... Had he not been the biggest dumbass (or maybe a better runner) to ever make $1,000,000 a year, then he might still be here...
This situation was out of Stoops hands, was out of Barnharts hands, and hell largely out of Pres Eli's hands
blame a political environment ginned up by false misleading sexual assaults on campus figures which caused the President of the United States to threaten all colleges in the country to treat sexual assault allegations with a much harsher presumption of guilt than in the district attorney offices
the girl accused him. the girl & her family threatened UK with unflattering media exposure if Tubman was allowed back on the team.
blame a political environment ginned up by false misleading sexual assaults on campus figures which caused the President of the United States to threaten all colleges in the country to treat sexual assault allegations with a much harsher presumption of guilt than in the district attorney offices
the girl accused him. the girl & her family threatened UK with unflattering media exposure if Tubman was allowed back on the team.
The girl doesn't even go to UK anymore, correct? And her threat of unflattering media exposure kind of lost its luster when he was not indicted.
BS, BS, BS. Mitch has shown he doesn't have the balls to do anything outside the box. I guarantee you Tom Jurich wouldn't let this slide at UL, 0% chance.
You go to the top and you make a scene, whatever it takes.
Mitch didn't hire calipari the first time around because of his moral compass, he didn't hire petrino because of his own moral compass, he couldn't or wouldn't get Tubman reinstated etc. The guy is a piss poor AD.
I took the comment about UL to be an aside - just a matter of fact comment to throw in whenever they are in the running for a transfer.
He was not the one who refused to give Cal and chance the first time, so you are wrong about that. He probably did not want Petrino because of his moral compass. I don't want him either. He has no authority to reinstate Tubman, as much as I would like to see him reinstated. Jurich would also have no power to have him reinstated.
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WRONG WRONG WRONG
The AD had ZERO input - this was a campus EDUCATION DEPARTMENT action that no one from AD to CMS to EC had any say so with - it was left up to the Student council and it failed their passing TWICE (1st and appeal) and could not be overturned by the AD
1000% agree with this. If the university won't back his player why should Stoops stay?
What are the odds that when UL takes the field at CWS in 2017 Tubman will be at one DE and Hatcher at the other? 'bout 100% I'd say.
It's true that Tubman's academic standing did not involve the athletic department and so far as I know the UK President either.
However to tie this back to the governments involvement in dealing with a huge problem of sexual abuse on college campuses is patently false.
The president formed a task force to study the issue of universities complying with federal laws including Title 9. their mission was to identify areas where universities were not complying with federal laws. There were no "threats" and nothing about "harsher presumption of guilt" only to make sure current federal law was being complied with.
Separate and apart from that Congress passed the The Campus Sexual Violence Elimination (SaVE) Act
on a bipartisan basis which dealt primarily with prevention.
I have no more information about Tubman than everyone else who read the news and reports but I always thought there were some serious questions about rather or not this was a consensual situation, and Title 9 may have been a factor in the actions that UK took in this case. Also the fact that this was a high profile situation and all over the news may have impacted their decisions. The committees report was and never will be made public so unfortunately we'll just have to live with it.
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The bigger black eye is UK will line up Miggins/Bell as Jucos in the spot Tubman was targeted to play and so far...they both look like UK players of old that played alot but were dominated often (Taylor Wyndham, Collins Ukwu, etc..).
So thank you whomever at UK that closed the door on an "non indicted (not even to the point of non guilty)" kid that wanted to be a UK and was told to hit the bricks.[sick]
So thank you whomever at UK that closed the door on an "non indicted (not even to the point of non guilty)" kid that wanted to be a UK and was told to hit the bricks.[sick]
Have no facts, but I think that BP was black balled by sec schools as a whole after the Arkansas fiasco...we shall see if he is a candidate at any when the time comes.
Just know what I was told and that EC had to get involved and from the looks of things he chose not to do so.WRONG WRONG WRONG
The AD had ZERO input - this was a campus EDUCATION DEPARTMENT action that no one from AD to CMS to EC had any say so with - it was left up to the Student council and it failed their passing TWICE (1st and appeal) and could not be overturned by the AD
Its because if they aren't your biggest rival or troubled players from the team you pull for haven't transferred there, no one gives a crap about them, they are irrelevant to other college football fans. Nothing more than Cincinnati or Tulsa, cities with colleges named after them that have football programs.
Think about it, do you really believe a school that has covered up sexual assaults for 20 years would have any issues hiring someone who had an affair and gave her a job in the athletic department? I don't. AU would hire him and will if Malzahn has a subpar season this fall, they hired Bruce Pearl didn't they?
Lloyd was not found not guilty, they found they didn't have enough evidence to press charges. It was a he said/she said situation which was the second worst outcome for him. It also was not Mitch Barnhardt who made the call, it was the universities Student government who voted not to take a risk on Tubman if I recall correctly.
UofL might not have a tradition like UGA's, but it's pretty funny that an "irrelevant" team has 2 BCS bowl wins to UGA's 1 over the last decade.
And like I said, no one other than UL fans cares, or even knows. All I know is we played Louisville in a bowl game Georgia didn't even want to play in and beat the holy crap out of them, made them quit like little girls. I know you remember it too.
I see the typical SEC "we weren't even interested" nonsense is thrown around after both victories and losses. I was hoping you'd say something that actually refuted my argument that UofL is relevant in the world of college football, but I guess I expected too much.
By the way, here's a link to a composite preseason top 25 for next season. #21 isn't too bad for an irrelevant football team. It's actually right above other irrelevant teams, like UGA.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...football-rankings-top-25-2016-early-preseason
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Only because the Dogs didn't have the easy path to a BCS bowl opportunity like the Cards thus less changes
Not going to dispute that for one second Grump, but my contention is that maybe that was possibly a league directive that all the ads were told to abide by, but like I said we shall see...TJ had sure has made it an expensive venture if someone chooses to do so.
They actually had the same number of chances but lost to WVU in the Sugar Bowl in 2006. I bet Grumpy will be surprised to find out that you're not aware of every bowl game UGA has played in, since they're so relevant.
Now that you are in a division with FSU & Clemson come tell us the next time you play in something other than a "Banjo" bowl as you all use to call it...