Official PSU - Indiana '25 game thread

m.knox

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Between last week and today opponent receivers made some unbelievable catches.

I was once in Las Vegas playing Blackjack. Had a 19 and the dealer had some ****** cards. She hit like 4 times and landed 21. She apologized and said, "that shouldn't happen."

Those unbelievable catches, and there were three that stand out to me, shouldn't have happened. Reminds me of MN in 1999.
 

WaffleShopper

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I'm counting the Oregon game as a tie since it went into OT.

PSU's 5 losses (not counting OSU) have been by a total of 10 pts. Has there ever been a worse team in the clutch?
We’ve been snakebite but I think Indiana won it more than we lost it. Did you watch the end of the Oregon-Iowa game? Great teams just win those kinds of games and unfortunately we’re not a great team. You’d think we’d get one of them though.
 
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It depends on the game. Ohio State and UCLA were definitely defensive collapses, but at least against Ohio State, it's understandable; they're legitimately good.

The problems on offense have been far more consistent throughout the season, though. Kotelnicki has had zero games where he hasn't managed slam the offense into a brick wall with ridiculous play calls. Many of us were sounding the alarm during our weak OOC schedule where it was evident the play calling was poor, and that AK wasn't using the proper personnel.
I understand. But all PSU had to do to win the games outside OSU was for the defense to make a stop in a critical situation in the final minute of the game. That's it. Prevent the teams from driving down the field relatively unposed and you win. That's all you needed to do to win those games in the end. Make a stop and you win.
 
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84lion

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That never was going to happen anyway, and I think that we all know that. Historically, the hiring of a temporary coach based on some phyrhic successes very seldom ages well.
Most likely...but I could see Kraft's HC search going south and basically not having a decent alternative...and someone looks at him and says, "well, there's Terry, y'know - he did win that big game against Indiana."
 

NoSoup4U

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My girl definitely thinks there’s something wrong with me the way I flipped out about that. What a classless idiot.
Well its exactly what has embodied every problem the program has had for a long time. The players have no mental toughness or discipline to know GAME SITUATION. Its a reflection of the culture BGJ allowed. Look at me is more important than doing your job. Probably could be applied io BGJ in a lot of ways. or its it just me and the "act like you have been there before" approach I have always appreciated under Joe is no longer valued?
 

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pendal1

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IU played all 11 within 5 yds of LOS. A quick pass over the middle gets us a 1st down and the game but the staff lacked the courage.
Agreed. Terry has been talking about throwing behind the linebackers. That was the time to do it. Indiana was in zero coverage and was totally selling out against the run. We should have tried to punish them for that at least once on that series.
 

pendal1

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My girl definitely thinks there’s something wrong with me the way I flipped out about that. What a classless idiot.
I couldn't believe the selfishness and stupidity of Durant after that play. He's had a terrible year and he makes a sack and suddenly he thinks he's on Soul Train. And he didn't get lined up in time for the next play. Mind boggling.
 

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I was once in Las Vegas playing Blackjack. Had a 19 and the dealer had some ****** cards. She hit like 4 times and landed 21. She apologized and said, "that shouldn't happen."

Those unbelievable catches, and there were three that stand out to me, shouldn't have happened. Reminds me of MN in 1999.
You watch too much TV.
 

SleepyLion

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It's not a penalty unless it's done excessively (at which point it would be Unsportsmanlike Conduct).
I think this is a loophole in the rules. IU basically got a free time out.

I think the situation was the clock was running. IU made a substitution and snapped the ball before it was allowed. Ref blew the play dead and started the clock on the next whistle.
 

millerjs32

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I think this is a loophole in the rules. IU basically got a free time out.

I think the situation was the clock was running. IU made a substitution and snapped the ball before it was allowed. Ref blew the play dead and started the clock on the next whistle.
I am still completely confused as to why the ref gave them that "time out". There was still like 20 seconds on the play clock. Maybe 15.
 
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MrTailgate

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I’m not sure how you teach mental toughness. I’m not just talking about Ohio State overcoming double digit leads to beat Penn State, there are a ton of lesser ranked teams that won late ( Iowa walk off field goal, Indiana infamous pylon game, and more than a statistically appropriate share of late losses).

I’m sure I am just forgetting but absent the Trace Iowa walkoff, when did the Nits last manufacture a come from behind late score.

A piece of it has to be lack of laser focus and lack of mental toughness. BOB had the Ficken walk off, a Barkley walkoff, and a Belton late score against Michigan.

What Franklin teams won late other than the Trace Iowa walk off. Was there ever a walk off FG?
 
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Erial_Lion

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I think this is a loophole in the rules. IU basically got a free time out.

I think the situation was the clock was running. IU made a substitution and snapped the ball before it was allowed. Ref blew the play dead and started the clock on the next whistle.
They did basically get a free timeout...but the Center Judge wasn't over the ball stopping the play. The officials hustled back into position likely anticipating that Indiana was going up-tempo, and missed that they had a player head straight to the sideline with an injury. We smartly saw that they made a sub and tried slowing it down making a sub ourselves; had the officials been on top of it, we could have burned another 10 seconds. But there is no way to rectify it after the fact.
 
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Calabrin

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I understand. But all PSU had to do to win the games outside OSU was for the defense to make a stop in a critical situation in the final minute of the game. That's it. Prevent the teams from driving down the field relatively unposed and you win. That's all you needed to do to win those games in the end. Make a stop and you win.
For sure there have been breakdowns in tight situations. But there are multiple factors here. Yes, Knowles's scheme looks inexplicably soft in crunch time, but the defense has also seen a ton of action due to the offense's inability to sustain drives. It's understandable that their backs get tired in the 4th quarter after carrying the offense for the entire game.

The most consistent issue with the defense has been their total inability to deal with scrambling QBs, which is inexcusable. Maybe Nico torches you in the UCLA game. But after that, you should be making an adjustment to prevent that from happening again. Instead, they just shrug and let the abuse continue.

I know people are going to say, "What about the secondary woes against Ohio State?" Sure. But Ohio State has an excellent quarterback who was dropping 50-yard bombs on a dime, and two NFL wide receivers, and an NFL TE that were exploding out of their coverage.
 

bdgan

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We’ve been snakebite but I think Indiana won it more than we lost it. Did you watch the end of the Oregon-Iowa game? Great teams just win those kinds of games and unfortunately we’re not a great team. You’d think we’d get one of them though.
UCLA, Northwestern, and Iowa aren't great teams either. This team just finds a way to lose. Lack of confidence must be part of it. Coaches who get tight in close games doesn't help.
 

Calabrin

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I was once in Las Vegas playing Blackjack. Had a 19 and the dealer had some ****** cards. She hit like 4 times and landed 21. She apologized and said, "that shouldn't happen."

Those unbelievable catches, and there were three that stand out to me, shouldn't have happened. Reminds me of MN in 1999.
I was playing blackjack on a cruise ship two years ago, and in the span of 2 hours, the dealer got blackjack 7 times.

I got it once.

THAT shouldn't happen.
 
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bdgan

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I was once in Las Vegas playing Blackjack. Had a 19 and the dealer had some ****** cards. She hit like 4 times and landed 21. She apologized and said, "that shouldn't happen."

Those unbelievable catches, and there were three that stand out to me, shouldn't have happened. Reminds me of MN in 1999.
I understand that Indiana made some great catches. I can also see the difference between a team that plays to win vs a team that hopes to hang on.

Did Franklin leave his "book" for Terry?
 

Calabrin

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UCLA, Northwestern, and Iowa aren't great teams either. This team just finds a way to lose. Lack of confidence must be part of it. Coaches who get tight in close games doesn't help.
A lot of it comes down to scheme, and Franklin was notoriously conservative in situations that were close-and-late. He was constantly trying to nurse single-possession Q4 leads and milk several minutes off the clock instead of going for the throat, and that, right there, is "playing to not lose" rather than playing to win.

And that's why we never win against good opponents.

Today was a perfect encapsulation of Franklin's late-game failures: with a slim lead, take your foot off the gas, and pray. It's total cowardice, and it eventually becomes insanity when you keep getting the same negative result and continue doing it, anyway.
 

BillDiehlNorstar

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Why is Psu's Middle Linebacker lined up vs Wr's on 3rd and 10?

I think this is a loophole in the rules. IU basically got a free time out.

I think the situation was the clock was running. IU made a substitution and snapped the ball before it was allowed. Ref blew the play dead and started the clock on the next whistle.
Didn’t Lanning do this in the Osu reg. Season game last year or was that some other loophole
 

BillDiehlNorstar

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They did basically get a free timeout...but the Center Judge wasn't over the ball stopping the play. The officials hustled back into position likely anticipating that Indiana was going up-tempo, and missed that they had a player head straight to the sideline with an injury. We smartly saw that they made a sub and tried slowing it down making a sub ourselves; had the officials been on top of it, we could have burned another 10 seconds. But there is no way to rectify it after the fact.
It stopped the clock
 

Erial_Lion

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Didn’t Lanning do this in the Osu reg. Season game last year or was that some other loophole
Last season was on the other side of the ball. Oregon had too many guys on the field on defense and burned some of the clock...the rule was changed this season to prevent it (the clock goes back to the time before the start of the play for illegal substitutions).
 
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1st down Allen run for 0 yds
2nd down Allen run for 1 yd

3rd down 2 yd lateral swing pass to Rapp

The time to throw was maybe on 1st and 10 but definitely on 2nd and 10 when IND completely sold out to stop the run.
I'm late to the thread and apologize if I'm repeating someone else's thoughts. This is and has been my problem with Kotelnicki. The clock would stop after the3rd down play because of the 2 minute warning. Indiana was out of timeouts. An incompletion means nothing. Ten yards and the game is over. No matter how conservative and unimaginative the first and second down calls were, 10 yards and it's over. So, what does he call? A 3-yard pass to the slowest eligible receiver on the field. He refuses to throw a 10-yard pass when the team needs a 10-yard gain. That area of the field that Indiana exploited with 87 yards to go and no timeouts is a spot that Kotelnicki absolutely refuses to attack. Seams do not exist in the PSU offense.