Oh yeah, since we all love rumors around here...

[Shmuley]

Why can't he be "right" and our program actually succeed? Those things don't have to be mutually exclusive.

This basketball program is run like a japanese nuclear plant. F'n smoke everywhere, leaking **** everywhere, and nobody wants to get close enough to do something about it. It's pretty damn obvious what the problem is and it's not this message board or a particular poster.

Personally, I don't care if he's proven right once and for all. I just want the f'n basketball program to stop being an embarrassment. Some idiot in this thread blamed 34 for embarrassing the athletic programs at the university. Seriously? How big of a f'n homer do you have to be to post that?

 

[dawgstudent]

like I said in my previous post - it's like he is wanting Sidney and Moultrie to not play so we can suck.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Most of us would love to win, and to do so at the level of expectation we should have for our program. Without uttering the words "Sweet 16" let's go back through the last seven years and see how many of those met expectations.

2011- not even close
2010 - preseason ranked to the NIT; below reasonable expectations
2009 - a nice run in Tampa saved us from the NIT; below reasonable expectations
2008 - the most underachieving team in a long time; entered the NCAAs as an 8 with Rhodes, Gordon, Varnado, Stewart and the future Big East player of the year.
2007 - NIT, but that's about what we deserved
2006 - horrible, but we were rebuilding
2005 - four starters including a first team all American back from a 2 seed, and we ended up an 8 seed; HUGELY disappointing

So in my estimation, five of the last seven have been below expectations, and the other two were bad to mediocre. Combine that with the constant roster flux, the off the court drama, and the continued inability to do certain things well (like zone offense), and that's why people are frustrated with this program. It doesn't have anything to do with being right on a message board.

 

[dawgstudent]

if it was up to me, Stansbury would have been gone after this season. But at the same time, I want State to do well. So if we get back to the tourney next season, I am happy. Coach is hoping we don't so Stansbury can be fired for the "betterment of the program".

Like I said, Coach would rather we suck so he can be right about Stansbury than State make the tournament next season.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

The best way to shut Coach up, if one exists, is to win. He complained about Croom too, but he was one of a large group doing that. With Mullen on board and us winning, there is no complaining.

If Stansbury's teams were meeting expectations on and off the court, I seriously doubt 90% of the posts about Stans would even get started, whether by Coach or anyone else. People, including Coach, would post about the team and games and stuff, but not Stansbury specifically.

I will grant you this, after the last seven years, and most specifically the last three, I know several State fans who would be just fine with a losing season if it meant a change in coaches. I can't say I am there....I like to win too much and don't want to sacrifice a season......but I can see how people would be at that point.

 

[dawgstudent]

I will grant you this, after the last seven years, and most specifically
the last three, I know several State fans who would be just fine with a
losing season if it meant a change in coaches

Even with Croom, if he would have made a 6th season - I would have never rooted for State to lose going into the season in the hope the coach would be fired.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Croom's last year I was cautiously optimistic, but also skeptical knowing that our 8-5 record in 2007 was a whisker away from about 5-7. So anyway, I go to Ruston and we lay a huge egg. There goes about 85% of my optimism. Another 14 % went away in the 3-2 debacle, and the remaining 1% left in the first half of the Ga Tech game, which I was watching on TV. I turned that one off and didn't attend another game that year. I saw most of the loss to Alabama and about a quarter and a half of the Egg Bowl. I just didn't care any more.

That's where we are heading in hoops with many people. To start with, you have a smaller base. Some people just don't care about basketball, and that's fine. Those that do care are getting worn down by the constant underachievement, the roster turnover, the perceived weak staff we have, and the on court product. We've gotten by for a while because we compete well in the SEC, and casual fans figure if we are competing in the SEC then we will be competitive nationally and that's not the case.

The point I was originally going to try to make was that the only thing worse than wanting the coach fired is to not care, and that's where we may be heading with Rick - having people who are too worn out with the same old results to care about the program any more. With a smaller fan base to start with, it's dangerous to alienate them.

 

[dawgstudent]

on your points. I don't disagree with it. And as soon as we lose our first OOC game that we shouldn't, more and more people will be jumping off the bandwagon a lot earlier b/c things have not changed. But going into a season, I can't root for players being suspended and hoping we lose. And I really think Coach does.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Just like with Croom, nothing would make me happier than to win with Rick.

Just like with Croom, I am doubtful that it will happen.

 

[croomsgone]

the NCAA drug tests like once a semester, the rest of the time the school drug tests you. now, you are SUPPOSED to let the NCAA know about any infractions. all drugs except marijuana warrant a first fail suspension. 1st failed marijuana test is a warning, notification to your guardian, and drug counseling. not sure if you get a clean slate each semester or year or what or not at all. after the first failed marijuana test it begins at step 1 of the repercussions for the other drugs - so basically you get 4 fails with marijuana and 3 with other drugs.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

The point I was originally going to try to make was that the only thing
worse than wanting the coach fired is to not care, and that's where we
may be heading with Rick - having people who are too worn out with the
same old results to care about the program any more. With a smaller fan
base to start with, it's dangerous to alienate them.

Great point and I have to admit that I'm in that column right now. I just didn't care what happened this year. With Bost being an idiot and RSS not playing until December our season was doomed from the beginning. It was the first time in 11 years I never went to a state basketball game and we have season tickets. If a change had happened I wouldn't have complained but since nothing did let's hope for the best and if he tanks again next year he needs to go.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Every die hard dog should 17ing hate you.

I think he likes it that way.

 

[fishwater99]

Look at the NBA, over 50% of all players blaze on a daily basis. Some guys actually shoot better when high, they will tell you that themselves. As long as they are in shape and work hard in practice, I care less what they do on their own time. Just don't show up to practice and games Stoned.......

 

[Coach34]

like I said in my previous post - it's like he is wanting Sidney and Moultrie to not play so we can suck.

When did disciplining our players when they 17 up become the wrong thing? Do we have a different set of rules for football and basketball?

Its like some of you want to let Stansbury get away with murder just so that I will be wrong

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

despite what the other haters have to say.

 

[tenureplan]

should we fire Mullen?

 

[dawgstudent]

how each coach chooses to handle the situation. Just win. If they don't - then they should be gone.

I never knew you cared so much about discipline.

 

[Coach34]

Just like with Croom, nothing would make me happier than to win with Rick.

Just like with Croom, I am doubtful that it will happen.

The simple difference in me and you DS is that I havent thought The Recruiter can get the job done for quite some time. I dont think the guy can win if he has to play a decent schedule. You, on the other hand, actually think he is capable of coaching the team to a Sweet 16. I've got alot more evidence backing my side up than you have on yours.

 

[Coach34]

should we fire Mullen?

but so far we have seen that he handles his business...would you like to compare the discipline we have in the football and baseball programs and compare them to basketball?

 

[dawgstudent]

as long as we get to the tourney.

 

[patdog]

That's beyond ridiculous.

 

[AshleySchaffer]

Are you saying that if we had a coach other than Stansbury we would NEVER have basketball players who would fail a drug test???

I honestly dont see how college athletes dont fail more drug tests. I dont see how a new basketball coach would stop this from happening. Just because somebody smokes weed, does it make them a bad person???

I think that you have gone beyond OVER THE TOP with your constant belittleing of our basketball program, our players and our coach.

 

[Cousin Jeffrey]

if it was up to me, Stansbury would have been gone after this season. But at the same time, I want State to do well. So if we get back to the tourney next season, I am happy.

I wantState to do well, too. And the best thing for any of our programs is tosucceedwith the current coach.

But there are a lot of things I've wanted from our current basketball coach for a long time...
...discipline on and off the court.
...fewer off-season defections.
...be prepared to win early OOC games.
...have an offensive game-plan.
...actually meet reasonable expectations.

But none of those things have happened.So while it would be best for our current coach to succeed, I don't think he's capable. That doesn't mean I want him to lose. Wanting him to lose and not thinking he's capable of meeting my expectations are not the same.

I won't be happy with simply making the tourney. With what we have returning, and what we're bringing in, I think a 5-seed is a reasonable expectation (not a prediction).

 

[VegasDawg13]

We had lost Gordon and Rhodes who were our entire offense from the year before and also lost Hansbrough to a transfer. Also, we had been banking on Scottie Hopson to come in and fill in the offensive void left by Gordon, but he switched to Tennessee very late in the process. Anyone who was expecting much out of that season was fooling themselves. Winning the SECT and making an NCAAappearancewas more than a reasonable fan could've hoped for that season.<div>
</div><div>On the other hand, you correctly called 2005 for the disappointment it was. Considering what we were bringing back that year, expectations were at an all-time high. People look back on it and see that we made the tournament and almostbeatDuke in the second round and consider it a good season, but 9-7 in the SEC and an 8-seed with what we had returning was unquestionably disappointing.</div>

 

[Coach34]

from you heard a second hand rumor to accepting it as true. Is your source the same guy that told you that a booster paid Jarvis' tuition?

After some posters accusing me of just making this up because I supposedly hate Stansbury, you really dont want to go there with me.

 

[tenureplan]

First offense = warning. Don't act like Stans hasn't suspended a player for drugs before...Slater.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

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[KurtRambis4]

because I know for a fact and without a doubt, 110% that Jarvis having his tuition covered by a booster or anything illegal dealing with his tuition is flat out false. I don't know who you're talking to, but they're full of it.

 

[bonedaddy401]

Please. This guy has every right to post whatever he wants to just like you do.

 

[Coach34]

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[KurtRambis4]

so why do you continue to insinuate something happened that would go against the NCAA's rules? We've gone through this once already, and you are dead wrong. Just because you heard from Billy Joe Dubmass at the coffee shop in Ackerman that something else went down, doesn't mean it's true. You have no clue what you're talking about in this instance, as others.

 

[Coach34]

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[tenureplan]

nm

 

[hatfieldms]

While I do think this should have been kept off the board if they are trying to keep it quiet, where was all the outrage when rumors leaked on here that relf failed a drug test? All I read on here was how big of a dumb *** Relf was, nothing about bashing the poster for posting the rumor. Why is it with these guys they are being defended while the poster is being bashed? If true Sidney's dumbass is the one that needs to be bashed

 

[msudeltadawg1971]

don't know if you coached at a private or public school, but it doesn't matter because every school, private and public has it's share of drugs. How many of the kids that you coached that you either knew personally where hitting the pipe orwere told they liked the pipe did you discipline? All the years you coached I know you had some that smoked a little herb and you either knew it or heard it, you can't make me believe anything different. So what did you do about it? Yeah, we all know, You did the right thing!**

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

[No message]

 

[klerushund]

Coach34 wrote:Its like some of you want to let Stansbury get away with murder just so that I will be wrong

...you fail to get the message.<div>
</div><div>I've wanted Stans gone longer than most. But you've so annoyingly belabored the point (not surprisingly since you are the Douche34) that you are turning those on the fence back toward the Stans camp.</div><div>
</div><div>Am I shocked that we have a fat, lazy basketball player smoking weed? Of course not. But I am shocked that the Douche34 thinks he has "buddies." I'm just going to assume his "buddies" are the ticket holders who, by some random design of Satan, have seats next to the Douche34 and must endure his douchery for every game.</div><div>
</div><div>It's already tough enough to be a State fan. Even tougher to endure the heartbreak in close proximity to the Douche34.</div>

 

[captaindawg]

as facts then people need to be reminded about the times that you post baseless crap for the sake of hoping that you right. If you don't want to be called on it then check your facts before you post or if you are not willing to give a source then don't post it. Otherwise don't cry when you can't handle the heat.

 

[KurtRambis4]

You have no idea what you're talking about.</p>

 

[Foronce]

Stansbury continues to show he is let the program get out of control. at some point you have to be accountable...


... IF they failed the first one and the staff's first thought was to cover it up, we got 10 other players seeing the wrong message sent