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Baxter48

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Did Ohio State have too many five stars? What about Oregon? A percentage of the Nebraska fan base is all riled up that Rhule is a bad coach and maybe he is. One thing we have to consider, though is the talent just look at the draft picks what Ohio State has what Oregon has even Indiana so maybe it’s not all coaching, but it’s a lack of talent. Plus, I think Kong oughta run for Regent.
 

Man Woman & Child

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Did Ohio State have too many five stars?

Nope, no such thing.

What about Oregon?

See above.

A percentage of the Nebraska fan base is all riled up that Rhule is a bad coach and maybe he is.

He is.

One thing we have to consider, though is the talent just look at the draft picks what Ohio State has what Oregon has even Indiana so maybe it’s not all coaching, but it’s a lack of talent.

It's both.

Plus, I think Kong oughta run for Regent.

Cool?
 
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GeorgeFlippin

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Talent and coaching not so good right now, although Nebraska did play USC and Michigan straight up for the most part last year. Just imagine better players and coaches for the Huskers, might win those close games for a change.
 

dm1330

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Did Ohio State have too many five stars? What about Oregon? A percentage of the Nebraska fan base is all riled up that Rhule is a bad coach and maybe he is. One thing we have to consider, though is the talent just look at the draft picks what Ohio State has what Oregon has even Indiana so maybe it’s not all coaching, but it’s a lack of talent. Plus, I think Kong oughta run for Regent.
As Coach Switzer once said, "It's not about the X's and O's but rather about the Jimmy and Joes! He was right on! Osborne's running teams allowed for many Midwest kids making the team and excelling. Since then the style the Huskers are trying to play requires much better athletes and NU cannot attract those. At least for now.
 
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dinglefritz

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As Coach Switzer once said, "It's not about the X's and O's but rather about the Jimmy and Joes! He was right on! Osborne's running teams allowed for many Midwest kids making the team and excelling. Since then the style the Huskers are trying to play requires much better athletes and NU cannot attract those. At least for now.
Switzer also said about Osborne “he’ll beat you with his guys then he could turn around and beat his team with yours”. Great coaching matters. We were spoiled.
 

Man Woman & Child

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As Coach Switzer once said, "It's not about the X's and O's but rather about the Jimmy and Joes! He was right on! Osborne's running teams allowed for many Midwest kids making the team and excelling. Since then the style the Huskers are trying to play requires much better athletes and NU cannot attract those. At least for now.

I think that phrase is often over-used. Of course it's true. But it's also about the Xs and Os. You need both.

Look no further than your example of OU. Pretty well documented John Blake had a ton of talented Jimmies and Joes there, but had no clue how to coach them. Enter Bob Stoops and he's winning a NC in two short years. Blake's (illegal) loaded roster of Jimmies and Joes still needed competent Xs and Os.

This is not and either/or thing.
 

Big bo fan

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Switzer also said about Osborne “he’ll beat you with his guys then he could turn around and beat his team with yours”. Great coaching matters. We were spoiled.
Ok I will play devils advocate here. You honestly think TO was a better coach in 94-97 during our run then he was when he wasnt winning the big games.? No he just got the Jimmies and Joes he always had the Xs and Os . as @Man Woman & Child said you have to have both.
 

orclover11

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It is. Look at what Indiana's recruiting rankings were and their players all going top of the draft.
There are so many limits on meeting, practice time plus unlimited transfers that I think "coaching" is overrated. What Indiana did well was talent evaluation, and putting a system together that matched the players they were able to get. This has a lot to do with coaching retention, and system retention but coaches can't really coach-up guys longer than a year or so, and they have limited time with the kids anyway. This isn't like the old days when you wouldn't see a lineman for 4 years and then they would be an all-conference player.

The #1 pick in the NFL draft was purely mediocre at California, he steps on the field for Indiana, the same player, and is the Heisman winner. It is because his offensive line, running game, and short passing game were built for him, or he was built for them and they just found him and brought him in. Rhule has never had a cohesive offensive game-plan, he will have had three defensive systems in four years, and although his coaching turnover shows his willingness to change it also means nobody is connected or cohesive, and he himself lacks vision as a coach, while being unusually stubborn for a coach.
 
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oldjar07

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There are so many limits on meeting, practice time plus unlimited transfers that I think "coaching" is overrated. What Indiana did well was talent evaluation, and putting a system together that matched the players they were able to get. This has a lot to do with coaching retention, and system retention but coaches can't really coach-up guys longer than a year or so, and they have limited time with the kids anyway. This isn't like the old days when you wouldn't see a lineman for 4 years and then they would be an all-conference player.

The #1 pick in the NFL draft was purely mediocre at California, he steps on the field for Indiana, the same player, and is the Heisman winner. It is because his offensive line, running game, and short passing game were built for him, or he was built for them and they just found him and brought him in. Rhule has never had a cohesive offensive game-plan, he will have had three defensive systems in four years, and although his coaching turnover shows his willingness to change it also means nobody is connected or cohesive, and he himself lacks vision as a coach, while being unusually stubborn for a coach.
This just seems like a long-winded way to say coaching really matters. You said yourself Mendoza was mediocre at Cal, then goes to Indiana and becomes the #1 player in the country. How does that not involve coaching?
 
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Cjlemke21

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Maybe draft picks are a result of good coaching?
I think you’re right here… better coaching and development will bring “better” recruits and get more kids drafted.

Bottom line for all of this is once we get better development, then we’ll get better recruits as well…

watching this draft and most of the drafts in the past really does reflect the sate of our program, as well as the quality of coaching\ development. I’m seeing programs that do not have half the funding or resources getting more kids drafted and drafted higher than us.

We can get all of the 5 stars in every recruiting class, but if we don’t develop them, then we’ll still be in the same place we’re at now. Coach better, develop better will equal more wins, and increased interest from better prospects, and then we’ll be producing more talent.
 
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dinglefritz

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There are so many limits on meeting, practice time plus unlimited transfers that I think "coaching" is overrated. What Indiana did well was talent evaluation, and putting a system together that matched the players they were able to get. This has a lot to do with coaching retention, and system retention but coaches can't really coach-up guys longer than a year or so, and they have limited time with the kids anyway. This isn't like the old days when you wouldn't see a lineman for 4 years and then they would be an all-conference player.

The #1 pick in the NFL draft was purely mediocre at California, he steps on the field for Indiana, the same player, and is the Heisman winner. It is because his offensive line, running game, and short passing game were built for him, or he was built for them and they just found him and brought him in. Rhule has never had a cohesive offensive game-plan, he will have had three defensive systems in four years, and although his coaching turnover shows his willingness to change it also means nobody is connected or cohesive, and he himself lacks vision as a coach, while being unusually stubborn for a coach.
The #1 pick was mediocre at Cal in part because he was surrounded by below average talent. Cal’s facilities are awful and their recruiting hasn’t been good. IF you’re a QB or WR though it’s been a good place to get on the field.
 

orclover11

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This just seems like a long-winded way to say coaching really matters. You said yourself Mendoza was mediocre at Cal, then goes to Indiana and becomes the #1 player in the country. How does that not involve coaching?
Mendoza was plugged into a perfect situation, he didn't develop suddenly he was just protected, could hand the ball off to good backs, and had an offensive system that required very little of him. Of course, this is system coaching but not development or technique. You will see this when he plays for the Raiders, as we see it for all young qbs. They aren't prepared for the NFL because good teams require very little from them in college.
 

king_kong__

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The #1 pick was mediocre at Cal in part because he was surrounded by below average talent. Cal’s facilities are awful and their recruiting hasn’t been good. IF you’re a QB or WR though it’s been a good place to get on the field.
He was pretty good at Cal
 
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SuperBigFan69

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The question really is...

What is a bigger deal? The difference in talent or the difference in coaching?
 

Charlie Marlow

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The question really is...

What is a bigger deal? The difference in talent or the difference in coaching?
It’s not even a question. Iowa beats us every year with better coaching. They’re not even great coaches. In fact, KF is the #1 losingest coach in the history of BiG TeN football. We would win these games with even average coaches, but that’s been a real challenge for us the last 10-20 years.
 

Nuts McClanahan

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Switzer also said about Osborne “he’ll beat you with his guys then he could turn around and beat his team with yours”. Great coaching matters. We were spoiled.
That was Bum Phillips talking about the great Bear Bryant, but maybe Barry borrowed that quote.
 

Nuts McClanahan

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This just seems like a long-winded way to say coaching really matters. You said yourself Mendoza was mediocre at Cal, then goes to Indiana and becomes the #1 player in the country. How does that not involve coaching?
It's complicated. Mendoza is very well coached and that offense makes any QB look better. But it's also about surrounding Mendoza with a bunch of 23 and 24 year olds that fit real good around him. Is that coaching or recruiting? A little of both. Indiana knows exactly what they are looking for and they go out and get them. They had a center from Notre Dame- fifth year I believe-- a tight end from Wisconsin also a fifth year.
 
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Huskergasms

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Ok I will play devils advocate here. You honestly think TO was a better coach in 94-97 during our run then he was when he wasnt winning the big games.? No he just got the Jimmies and Joes he always had the Xs and Os . as @Man Woman & Child said you have to have both.
BS on that-TO fcked up some of his best teams with bad coaching. The scoring explosion era comes to mind-Far too conservative in his early years