Ok, I almost hate to bring this up again

Seinfeld

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but my curiosity got the better of me this morning, and I wanted to take a quick look at Dak's current stats compared to Archie's from years ago. Anyway, in 1970, Archie finished 3rd in the Heisman voting which also happened to be his best career finish as it relates to that voting. These were his stats:

Passing: 51.9% Completion Rating, 1481 yards, 14 TDs, 14 Ints
Rushing: 113 yards, 1.4 yds/attempt, 6 TDs

My question: How in the 17 did this guy even get in the Heisman discussion, much less 3rd in the voting? A QB with numbers like that would get benched in today's game.
 

HD6

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Football is just a little different then than it is now.
 

Seinfeld

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Granted, and for that reason, I certainly wouldn't expect the EA Sports numbers that QBs put up today. That said, a 51% completion %, 14 picks, and a 1.4 yds/carry rushing average? Regardless of how that compares to today's game, if those numbers were considered Heisman worthy in 1970, I'm glad as hell that I wasn't around then.
 

patdog

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You can't compare stats from that era to this era. Those passing stats were actually above average for his era.
 

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The top two vote getters:
Jim Plunkett (winner) - 54.4%, 2980, 19 TD, 19 INT, 209 RYd, 3 RTD
Joe Theismann - 57,8%, 2429, 16 TD, 14 INT, 384 RYd, 4 RTD

And it wasn't even close in voting.

A QB who in 2013 got Manning's passing yards per game from 1970 would the be #100 ranked QB on that stat. It is a very different game. Plunkett's numbers would have gotten him #31.
 

BiscuitEater

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Much of the Archie 'mystique' stems ...

Yeah, passing QBs were unheard of back then. That is a really high success rate for the time.

from this game. In '68 few games were televised and this one was one of the first to be shown in prime time. I was in high school but remember it well.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ootball-first-major-primetime-game-stands-out

Ole Miss-Alabama game still legendary
When No. 2 Alabama (6-0) plays Ole Miss (2-3) on Saturday evening, the nation will not lift its head unless there's an upset. It will be one of 26 college football games that ESPN will televise Saturday, one of 11 it will show under the lights. We take that for granted these days. It is news when a game is not televised.

Once upon a time, in 1968, 11 years before ESPN was born, a regular-season college football game had never been televised in network prime time. ABC experimented with a late-season game between Alabama and Miami. A year later, it remained a novelty. If you want to know when the modern history of the sport began, go back 42 seasons to an early October night. A genius named Roone Arledge had the idea to show Alabama play Mississippi, and the game turned out to be one of the greatest in the history of the Southeastern Conference.

The game may have had that impact because it was televised. But it definitely had that impact because of a skinny junior quarterback who became a folk hero in the manner that Southerners have mastered throughout this nation's history -- in a losing cause.
On Oct. 4, 1969, at Legion Field in Birmingham, Ole Miss quarterback Archie Manning completed 33-of-52 passes for 436 yards and two touchdowns. He ran 15 times for 104 yards and three touchdowns. He gave the first indication that the program that coach Paul (Bear) Bryant had built at Alabama had begun to slide (the Tide would finish the season 6-5).

To put Manning's performance in perspective, no player had ever thrown for as many as 300 yards and rushed for 100 in a major-college game. Manning did all of that, and yet the No. 20 Rebels lost to the No. 15 Crimson Tide, 33-32.

"We couldn't rush Archie. We couldn't contain him, either," said Alabama athletic director Mal Moore. He was a defensive assistant that night.
 

KurtRambis4

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Go look at Dak's stats

through September, compared to Cam, Tim, and Johnny. Pretty good stuff. Some of the athletic department staff tweeted this the other day. I believe it was comparing each's first year as starters, for the month of September.
 

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but my curiosity got the better of me this morning, and I wanted to take a quick look at Dak's current stats compared to Archie's from years ago. Anyway, in 1970, Archie finished 3rd in the Heisman voting which also happened to be his best career finish as it relates to that voting. These were his stats:

Passing: 51.9% Completion Rating, 1481 yards, 14 TDs, 14 Ints
Rushing: 113 yards, 1.4 yds/attempt, 6 TDs

My question: How in the 17 did this guy even get in the Heisman discussion, much less 3rd in the voting? A QB with numbers like that would get benched in today's game.

I'm sure someone will call this "coming to the rescue." Whatever. I don't care. I just like stats and football.

So, let's break down Archie and Dak compared to their team totals.

In 1970, Archie Manning had 233 pass attempts and 80 rush attempts for 313 total AM plays. The team as a whole had 778 plays over the 11 game season. So, AM/team gives you 40%. Meaning Archie either passed or ran on 40% of Ole Miss' 1970 football plays. (For passing only, he threw on 30% of total plays.)

In 2014, Dak Prescott has 96 pass attempts and 62 rush attempts for 158 total DP plays. The team as a whole has 278 plays over 4 games. So, DP/team gives you 57%. Meaning Dak has either passed or ran on 57% of MSU's 2014 football plays. (For passing only, he has thrown on 35% of plays.)

As others have stated, you can't accurately compare across eras. For starters, QBs in the 60s and 70s weren't really taught proper mechanics, especially not in comparison to today.

If I have the time later today (I'll be on the road to a conference), I'll look at the the other two in the 1970 Heisman race and compare them to the top two finishers last year.
 

KurtRambis4

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The OM posters on

I'm sure someone will call this "coming to the rescue." Whatever. I don't care. I just like stats and football.

here don't get hazed for making valid points. They get hazed for trolling and posting complete ****. If you avoid the latter, you will have no problems posting here.
 

o_1984Dawg

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furthermore, when you pre-emptively insult your audience it makes making your point a lot more difficult.
 

Original48

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This is my favorite Archie Manning comparison to an MSU QB..

Credit to PassInterference for posting..

Relf's career stats:
Pct: 58.0%
Yds: 3297
TD: 28
INT: 18
Rating: 130.5


Archie Manning stats:
Pct: 52.8%
Yds: 4753
TD: 31
INT: 40
Rating: 108.2

Career rushing yardage
Relf: 1607 yards
Manning: 823 yards
 
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I looked quick at Cam's (box scores of the games). Dak's had a great start but he will have to keep it up to match Cam's 2010 starting with Auburn's game against Clemson at the end of September that year. He blew up then had monster games against LSU, Georgia, South Carolina (twice) and Bama plus some slaps. He finished with 1500 rushing and 20 rushing td's and 30 passing td's. It's a high bar.
 

Faustdog

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Credit to PassInterference for posting..

Relf's career stats:
Pct: 58.0%
Yds: 3297
TD: 28
INT: 18
Rating: 130.5


Archie Manning stats:
Pct: 52.8%
Yds: 4753
TD: 31
INT: 40
Rating: 108.2

Career rushing yardage
Relf: 1607 yards
Manning: 823 yards

That is both hilarious and awesome.