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jacksonreb

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some of you guys know relative stats and football. according to the c-l banks gave up 37 completions in 60 one on one thrown ats (if that's a word), or about 60 % completions. also about 12 yds per completion. and yet he's the best corner in the country? don't anybody go off....i'm not questioning that he's deserving, i'm just asking what the heck are the "bad' corners giving up? first time i ever saw that stat given.

its like baseball...you fail 75% of the time as a hitter and get paid 15mill/yr. i get it. but what do stats look for for ordinary corners?
 
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Your typical CB gives up a completion 19.83% of the time.
 
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skb124

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It's a national award. They don't have Clarion-Ledger writers voting for the winner. He obviously has shown enough to people to actually think that he is the best. I don't think that we should have to defend a guy for winning a national award. It speaks for itself.
 
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Railin Jemmye

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It's an interesting question, because if I had to answer truthfully, I sort of thought that Banks had a worse year this year than his previous three. I just see Moncrief and Amari Cooper streaking down the field. But there again, he created alot of turnovers and had some key interceptions.

But one thing to look at is that the QB/WR always has the advantage, because they know what they are going to do. I like to think of the QB/DL as one unit and the WR/CB another.....well in Banks case, his partner, the DL, wasn't doing their job. Neither was the S that was supposed to help out.

So that's one way of looking at it I suppose. And our defense asked Banks and Slay to do alot. I'm guessing they do alot more that we can't see, I guess when they have a WR covered well they don't get thrown to that much. I know it's a lot more complicated than a few one on one matchups.
 
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I would say that's not bad considering a non-existent pass rush all year. we got no pressure whatsoever. I bet his average cover time was beyond 5 seconds from the snap. more than 3-4 seconds for the qb makes any ANY corner average in straight man. he was probably the deciding factor for AU (ints) and UT (strip/recovery) for us. Not to mention a fantastic team leader.
 
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Christ. We never got any pressure on the QB. He was left on an island to cover the opposing teams best WR for 4-8 seconds, and rarely was their any safety help. I can't believe it wasn't 17n higher.
 
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I guess that's why NFL scouts have Banks so highly rated. I guess they should read the clarion ledger and talk to you the expert!
 
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Truthfully I've always kind of wondered about the validity of that stat. If Revis has a WR locked down all game long, then on one play he misses a step and the QB targets that receiver because he's wide open, he completes it. The % is 100.
 
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Just a quick calculation, since I question the validity of 19.83%

jacksonreb said:
some of you guys know relative stats and football. according to the c-l banks gave up 37 completions in 60 one on one thrown ats (if that's a word), or about 60 % completions. also about 12 yds per completion. and yet he's the best corner in the country? don't anybody go off....i'm not questioning that he's deserving, i'm just asking what the heck are the "bad' corners giving up? first time i ever saw that stat given.
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I’m too lazy to look specifically at the teams we played and their exact stats but perhaps here is why:
Plays per game avg ~72 (team 67 of 124, Ohio State)
Pass plays per game ~36 (at 50% run v. pass)
Receivers per pass play ~4 since the rb is often benefits from the dump pass or screen.
Average of 9 targets per game minimum for the No. 1 receiver.
Leads to 108 passes in db’s direction per season.
So Banks reduced the No. 1 receiver targets by roughly 45% 60/108.

Didn't look at any other DBs so I don't really know if it is comparably to any other starting DBs on any other team.
 
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My immediate guess is that stat includes times the receiver was near his area of responsibility when we were in zone, making it meaningless. We had tons of situations where we were either giving up the underneath, or someone else didn't properly pass a receiver into his area.
Honestly, the times he was beaten one-on-one can probably be counted on one hand, and on almost all of those he was expecting help he didn't get.
 
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Did you just question the validity of 19.83%? I know you didn't just do that.
 
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jacksonreb

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makes sense that there would be more to it than simple stat. the pass rush would sure factor in. that's just the first time i've ever seen really any kind of "stats" for a cornerback and found it interesting.
 
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"i'm not questioning that he is deserving..." sure you are not. So if someone questioned how a Conerly Trophy winning quarterback could throw 15 INTs in a season then that is not a question of if he is deserving. Nice try though.
 
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What NFL scouts look for in a cornerback. IN PICTURES...

 
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Dawg@Vandy

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Here's a link to NFL stats on CB from 2011...

jacksonreb said:
some of you guys know relative stats and football. according to the c-l banks gave up 37 completions in 60 one on one thrown ats (if that's a word), or about 60 % completions. also about 12 yds per completion. and yet he's the best corner in the country? don't anybody go off....i'm not questioning that he's deserving, i'm just asking what the heck are the "bad' corners giving up? first time i ever saw that stat given.

its like baseball...you fail 75% of the time as a hitter and get paid 15mill/yr. i get it. but what do stats look for for ordinary corners?
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http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2012/best-cornerback-charting-stats-2011

The highest rated guys had completion percentages of 60-70%. Yards per pass is the stat they are ranked on in the NFL. All the top 10 guys are under 6 yards per pass. Assuming the stats above are correct for Banks, he would have averaged 7.4 yards per pass.

You can also just consider the 60 targets this season. That means that QB threw at him an average of 5 times a game and were only successful on 3 of those throws. And he would have been covering the best WR each game .
 
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I'm not saying I don't believe the stats, but I know in the first four or five games, he was targeted something like 9 times and had 3 or 4 picks and a pass break up. So, if my memory serves me correctly, that would say he was targeted 50+ times in the last 7 games.

He may very well have been, but I am not sure I believe it...
 
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skb124 said:
It's a national award. They don't have Clarion-Ledger writers voting for the winner. He obviously has shown enough to people to actually think that he is the best. I don't think that we should have to defend a guy for winning a national award. It speaks for itself.
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Yes, and Jason White won the Heisman over Larry Fitzgerald and Eli Manning. A national award. Y'all should absolutely be proud of it, we would if it were our player.
 
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What I don't understand more than anything is the absolute hate and derision especially on Twitter
 
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croomin

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Jason White deserved the Heisman. He had some of the best QB stats in college football history and won ballgames. Not sure what your underhanded point was there.
 
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Some of you guys are 17in idiots. Do you not see the type defense State plays. Very loose on the corners, typically zone and very very little man and even less press man. This is basically the antithesis of Bama who always presses even in zone, they just bail in zone.

Regarding moncrief and cooper, in apart everyone of those plays the corner is picking up the receiver but the safety is suppose to take him deep. The corner is not suppose to follow him deep. If the corner takes him all the way deep they'll end up with 20 yard passes underneath them.
 
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