Oklahoma 44, Oklahoma State 17
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Yeah Bama turned the ball over if I recall like 4 or 5 times but yeah they beat Bama.
The biggest difference that I see between Bob & Mark is depth & talent, especially in the upperclasses. OU looks to have more experience and/or talent at EVERY position. And I mean every position. OU runs the EXACT same defense that UK runs, so it's not the scheme. Also, give Dawson OU's O and I bet he'd suddenly appear to be a better play caller.
Most won't like to hear this, but the only remedy is giving Mark more time & him stringing together several top 15-25 recruiting classes in a row. That's just the reality of the situation and changing coaches won't fix that.
Most won't like to hear this, but the only remedy is giving Mark more time & him stringing together several top 15-25 recruiting classes in a row. That's just the reality of the situation and changing coaches won't fix that.
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As long as our recruiting is 13th in the SEC, our ceiling is 7-5.
We need to move into top 5 classes in SEC if we want to surpass that ceiling plus with a coach that knows how to coach and develope players. Which I do not see on our sideline.
We have closed the gap some in the recruiting. Never going to be at the top, but still need to inch up closer to the others. The unfortunate thing is that we have not shown much competence on the sideline.
OU winning tonight like they did eliminates the fighting Domers unless Clemson or Bama chokes next week correct?
Of course you never know with the committee. I gotta figure it stays Clemson, Bama, OU and MSU/Iowa winner no matter what. I will say ND fans have a right to be pissed as they beatdown Texas and OU lost to them while they lost to Clemson. OU appears to have better wins, but two of their best three wins came against backup QBs (which should matter but is being ignored for some reason).
Of course you never know with the committee. I gotta figure it stays Clemson, Bama, OU and MSU/Iowa winner no matter what. I will say ND fans have a right to be pissed as they beatdown Texas and OU lost to them while they lost to Clemson. OU appears to have better wins, but two of their best three wins came against backup QBs (which should matter but is being ignored for some reason).
I was talking about recruiting. In recruiting Bob has not cracked the top 10 nationally over the past 5 years & this is how his classes would have ranked in the SEC...
7th in 2011
4th in 2012
8th in 2013
8th in 2014
7th in 2015
That's middle of the pack in the SEC & yet, as you stated, they beat Alabama a couple years ago & they are playing very well this year.
My point is that brother Bob is proving that back to back to back to back to back top 15ish recruiting classes is good enough to get the job done at a pretty high level with the same (or very similar) schemes as UK is currently using.
We don't need to move into top 5 in the SEC. We will never recruit better than the big boys. What we need to do is recruit 4th best in the SEC East behind Florida, Tennessee and UGA (I don't see us getitng top 10 classes nationally like they do) and ahead of Mizzou, South Carolina and Vandy, which would most likely put us ahead of Mississippi State, who we play every year. That would give us more talent than 4 of the teams we have in conference. Of course, you then need someone to coach that talent to their level.
Get an elite quarterback and what looks like a 10th or 12th rated class in the SEC can translate to top 5. Unfortunately, we haven't done that since Couch. Woodson was close.
And Utah smoked Bama a couple of years before that. Do you stack Utah up with Bama too? There is no doubt OU is tremendous this year but it doesn't mean they would win the SEC a lot of years.
How is it very telling that the hottest names coming through the ranks decided to work for one of the top programs in the nation over us? If you was moving through the ranks and had intentions of being a head coach. What looks better on a resume?
Neither would we, but you can't sit there with a straight face and say you wouldn't trade brothers right now.
And who was Utah's coach when they smoked Bama?
It's even more detailed than that. You can't just look at a class rank. If you have a superstar QB and a dismal OL you are going to go 6-6 at best. It's all about WHERE the recruiting is going.
Why would we ever recruit better than USCjr or mizzou? Those school's fans are sitting there saying "if a lowly school like UK out recruits us, we seriously need to think about firing our coach." And they would have a great point.
Face it. We're NEVER going to be better than 12th or 13th in sec recruiting. But according to recruiting rankings, we have better talent on the field than Baylor, iowa, duke, utah, Washington state, etc. What's the difference? Oh yea... they have halfway competent coaching.
Go back and look at UL's recruiting classes over the last 4-5 years or Vandy's for that matter. We have out recruited them most of those years yet UL has beaten us 5 straight times and Vandy has won 4 of 5. They have had better coaches. Period.
We have out recruited a ton of teams that would hand us our asses on the football field. So the problem is one of 3 things:
1. Development
2. Coaching
3. Recruiting needs (vs. just grabbing stars)
I'd say it's a little bit (or a lot) of all three. Let's be honest. If Lincoln Riley would have come here, he'd just be another qb that throws at the receivers' feet behind a trash oline.
Would I trade brothers? Absolutely. Utah's coach that year was their current head coach, Kyle Whittingham.
Considering that we have had better recruiting classes than Mizzou in 2 out of the last 3 years, it's reasonable to think that we can recruit better than them on a consistent basis. South Carolina has had better classes than us, but not uncatachable.
They both have better recruiting bases. It's not likely we consistently recruit over our available talent (unless we continue be the 2nd option for Ohio talent).
its telling because we were supposedly getting serious about football; spending all this money; going to compete in the SEC; yet we couldn't even put together a package enticing enough for a 30 year old assistant at east carolina to come here.
Difference between the two is offensive philosophy. ..one believes it's a necessity the other dosen't
I would disagree that Missouri's in-state recruiting base is that much better than UK. Kentucky and Missouri have very similar recruiting bases in state. South Carolina's in-state recruiting base is also not nearly as good as you think. It's really not that much better than UK. Plus, South Carolina has Clemson to compete against in-state.
When the Brothers get together for Christmas dinner, Mark needs to kick Bob in the balls when he's not looking, then when he's hunched over put his knee right into his nose. All that for swiping our opportunity at Lincoln Riley.
In all fairness though, I wouldn't doubt if you see Lincoln take the head job at one of these schools with job openings.
In all fairness though, I wouldn't doubt if you see Lincoln take the head job at one of these schools with job openings.
The difference is one is smart enough to let their coordinators run their respective groups. The other hasn't learned that and still tries to dictate each group and who plays despite what the coordinators want.
Is that a fact? For some reason I was thinking we either picked Dawson over him or didn't consider him. I don't recall who chose which school first.