I know we ran the ball well at the beginning of the year but lets face it those teams proved to be not very good. I believe our offense suffered in the games we lost because we could not establish a running attack and had to rely on russell to try and pick apart a defense through the air instead of catching them off guard with PA passes draws and screens. I want to hear the boards opinion on did we suffer in the running game because of our offensive line or was it because LP is undersized as an SEC starting running back and just cant run between the tackles. I for one believe it is the latter and that LP just cant create holes for himself like our RB's from the past. Looking forward to yalls responses.
OL or RB was the cause of our sub par running game?
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neither- it was our scheme. That zone stretch **** and then just running the counter off of it is crappy.
Every non-mobile QB in the SEC is in an offense that gets under center and lines up in the I-formation so their running game can get some push except us- We don't.
Every non-mobile QB in the SEC is in an offense that gets under center and lines up in the I-formation so their running game can get some push except us- We don't.
Combination of both
I can't say it's Perkins fault because he was running the plays being called. Can't blame the OL for the entire game because Russell was off and, yet again, held the ball entirely too long. Any decent coordinator could see them cheating linebackers and corners up with pressure on just about every play. Some quick tight end over the middle or screens to Perkins would have stopped that. Did they both play poorly-yes, but I would have to say coaching or lack thereof was responsible for most of our downfall in the 2nd half. To come out with that package on offense after the half is totally unacceptable.
You know what they were doing in the first half and we should have had the game well in hand, but I feel like Mullen thought we could control their offense based on the 1st half and it backfired.
I can't say it's Perkins fault because he was running the plays being called. Can't blame the OL for the entire game because Russell was off and, yet again, held the ball entirely too long. Any decent coordinator could see them cheating linebackers and corners up with pressure on just about every play. Some quick tight end over the middle or screens to Perkins would have stopped that. Did they both play poorly-yes, but I would have to say coaching or lack thereof was responsible for most of our downfall in the 2nd half. To come out with that package on offense after the half is totally unacceptable.
You know what they were doing in the first half and we should have had the game well in hand, but I feel like Mullen thought we could control their offense based on the 1st half and it backfired.
truth.
Mullen has to decide if he wants to run the option or run a pro style. Can't have both. Russell had a good year but an I formation play action attack suits him better. For those posters that love the spread, take a look at what the two division champions run.
Look at our history, we've had good years running option and good years running play action I. The common thread is that we're good when we have the ability to run with power. I guess that's stating the obvious. But we're not going to out athlete anybody. We might out tough people from time to time though. Russell should have been under center and we desperately need a fullback. We miss the hell out of a Hanrahan type guy.
Mullen has to decide if he wants to run the option or run a pro style. Can't have both. Russell had a good year but an I formation play action attack suits him better. For those posters that love the spread, take a look at what the two division champions run.
Look at our history, we've had good years running option and good years running play action I. The common thread is that we're good when we have the ability to run with power. I guess that's stating the obvious. But we're not going to out athlete anybody. We might out tough people from time to time though. Russell should have been under center and we desperately need a fullback. We miss the hell out of a Hanrahan type guy.
Alabama and Georgia have superior talent. We need to run an offense that neutralizes the talent gap. So far I'll say our offense hasn't really done that, but it's much better than going straight at them like Croom did.
Misuse of personnel...
When it was apparent in the second half of the season that Griffin was making good gains where Perkins wasn't, then we should have been running Griffin down opposing defenses' throats. If we had wanted to win the game with OM, this is what we should have done. Perkins should have been catching passes instead.
When it was apparent in the second half of the season that Griffin was making good gains where Perkins wasn't, then we should have been running Griffin down opposing defenses' throats. If we had wanted to win the game with OM, this is what we should have done. Perkins should have been catching passes instead.
Offensive line is 90+% responsible.
Our problem is multi-fold. But mostly it comes down to flat-out weakness from our lineman. That shows up in the fact that we can't get any push from anyone not named Gabe Jackson. Even Dillon Day, while he doesn't just get flat out beat very often, produces very little push on running plays. Now granted, sometimes we run zone-blocking schemes that don't ask for that push, but we still have times when we call for push, and we don't get it. Even in the Dak package this year, we struggled mightily to create push. So the "it's the style of offense" excuse really doesn't hold; it comes down to ability/play.
Even more disturbing displays of our lack of physical strength on the offensive line are shown in how many times our lineman get throttled in one-on-one situations. Both on pass plays and run plays, Clausell and Siddoway spend more time on their backs that they do on their feet. (Often) Much smaller defensive ends can bowl them over with a simple bull-rush. The simplest of swim moves not only helps the DE get by them, but sends them sprawling. Heck, Damien Robinson got sent rolling head over heels by one CJ Johnson forearm the other night. And he outweighs him by around 75-100 pounds. You can't play winning football against good defensive front sevens when you can get beat so badly in one-on-one blocking situations.
Look, I don't expect us to have Alabama's offensive line. I'd just like to see us go from sieve to decency. And I think John Hevesy deserves some serious evaluation. We have digressed on the offensive line every year that he has been here. You would think it would be the opposite.
Our problem is multi-fold. But mostly it comes down to flat-out weakness from our lineman. That shows up in the fact that we can't get any push from anyone not named Gabe Jackson. Even Dillon Day, while he doesn't just get flat out beat very often, produces very little push on running plays. Now granted, sometimes we run zone-blocking schemes that don't ask for that push, but we still have times when we call for push, and we don't get it. Even in the Dak package this year, we struggled mightily to create push. So the "it's the style of offense" excuse really doesn't hold; it comes down to ability/play.
Even more disturbing displays of our lack of physical strength on the offensive line are shown in how many times our lineman get throttled in one-on-one situations. Both on pass plays and run plays, Clausell and Siddoway spend more time on their backs that they do on their feet. (Often) Much smaller defensive ends can bowl them over with a simple bull-rush. The simplest of swim moves not only helps the DE get by them, but sends them sprawling. Heck, Damien Robinson got sent rolling head over heels by one CJ Johnson forearm the other night. And he outweighs him by around 75-100 pounds. You can't play winning football against good defensive front sevens when you can get beat so badly in one-on-one blocking situations.
Look, I don't expect us to have Alabama's offensive line. I'd just like to see us go from sieve to decency. And I think John Hevesy deserves some serious evaluation. We have digressed on the offensive line every year that he has been here. You would think it would be the opposite.
It's not changing though. At least not next year. I would hope that Mullen would embrace the passing spread a little bit more for at least one year, then get back to his running style in 2014. We'll probably see a bigger Dak presence next year, maybe up to 25% of the snaps.
No we have not digressed. We were average in 2009, got better in 2010, got worse in 2011 due to youth and injury, and got better this year. We will also get better next year with even more maturity.
If you want to voice an opinion, fine, but don't post just completely retarded ****.
If you want to voice an opinion, fine, but don't post just completely retarded ****.
I do not believe in any way that we got better this year. We masked it better with a lesser schedule and more of a passing threat. I also believe our line was better in 2009 than 2010. We averaged 4.9 yards per rush in 2009, with Tyson Lee playing QB, vs 4.5 yards per rush in 2010 with Relf playing QB. That should have improved, not gone down.
Follow your own 17ing advice.
Please give me some hard evidence that we got better this year. The difference between 6-6 in 2011 and 8-4 in 2012 is a motorcycle accident in Arkansas and coaching (Malzahn) and player (Dyer) attrition on the plains. That's it.
Every team that had a pulse on our schedule beat us the last two years. We improved on offense in '12, but we gave all that back and more on the defensive side. There is no evidence of any improvement whatsoever.
I agree. We basically played to Ole Miss' strength with those plays. They have quick, under-sized LBs. The few times we ran with Griffin in the interior we got some good yardage.
Do you think the reason we were running those plays was because LP couldnt make runs between the tackles so we were forced to use him that way.
Hell, look at what the 4 best teams in the conference run ...
Bama, LSU, Flarda, Georgia.
They all run a pro style. aTm may be the only team that can recruit the horses to run a ******** offense with consistent success. Hell, Spurrier hasn't done it yet at USCe. As I said Saturday night, 8-4 is the top end if we are going to run a ******** offense.
Bama, LSU, Flarda, Georgia.
They all run a pro style. aTm may be the only team that can recruit the horses to run a ******** offense with consistent success. Hell, Spurrier hasn't done it yet at USCe. As I said Saturday night, 8-4 is the top end if we are going to run a ******** offense.
You said Texas A&M yourself. Then you have Oregon. Auburn won the national title with a ******** offense. Meyer won the national title twice running MULLEN'S ******** offense. Not everybody has the talent to run a pro-style and be successful. The ones that do, do it. The 'have nots' of college football must do things differently, whether it's an offense or a dynamic player or both.
Sit back down, son.
Sit back down, son.