Ole Miss hires Frank Wilson. They are going all in on this "We are equal to LSU" stuff.....
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Yup, they didn’t even get a first round bye in the playoffs. Pathetic losers.
The greatest form of flattery is imitation, so keep sucking that Tiger cock, Rebels..........
Does that mean Kevin Smith and Lacey are Callin' BR?
Founding member of the Beach Boys I think.
I mean he was at Ole Miss before he was at LSU.
A guy that Kiffin thought was dead weight, and did not want to retain from Kelly’s staff.
I don't know who that guy is but I do know who Lane Kiffin is and he's at LSU.
Noticed where all the leaders are coaching on that list? I am not impressed. It's probably easy to recruit at those schools.
I doubt any of us is actually Lane Kiffin. Perhaps you’d be better served sending this directly to him, as he made that call.
May also want to join the rest of us in 2025, where assistant coach recruiting rankings mean less than nothing.
I’ll ask you again what are you doing to help Mississippi State?? All you do each and every day is log in to a free message board spewing nonsense and negativity. You are already on record saying you won’t give to SEF. So I ask. What are you and for that matter any of you on here doing to help our football program and athletics as a whole.
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Glorified Bagman allegedly. Wasn't he at Ole Miss previously with Oregon?
If Lane wanted Wilson to remain at LSU, Ole Miss would not have been able to hire him.
If Lane wanted Wilson to remain at LSU, Ole Miss would not have been able to hire him.
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To me the only meaningful "recruiting" in college football now is "recruiting" NIL donors .
Correct, a monkey with a cajun accent can recruit to that school.
Wilson has 4 commits, and 3 of them are from right down the street in Nola and Baton Rouge.
He was good with the brown bag filled with cash. Now that it's allowed he's lost his value.
We comin' in hot with Loadholt at #161.
Not to argue, but does being a good recruiter even really matter anymore? I mean I get maybe at blue bloods that are still recruiting high school kids while using the portal for supplements. Given we are not blue blood, I would imagine our recruiting is going to come down to the dotted line in terms of how much we can or can not pay. To me, for us, recruiting now is like a vending machine. We can make our own choices, and if we have the money we will get them if not we won't. I have coached 6A and 7A high school football for 2 decades in Mississippi, and I can tell you it is hard as hell to get a kid recruited out of high school right now unless that kid is just him, or a bigger program has a specific need. I have spent the last 5 years loading the D2's and Jucos with kids.
The biggest value of Frank Wilson are his ties to the New Orleans high schools. He was a high school coach in New Orleans long ago and is almost an elder statesman in that coaching fraternity. Evidently, all the New Orleans high school coaches and player families trust him tremendously. Even in this day of NIL, it does help with some high schools to have someone like Frank Wilson on staff. LSU was trying to keep him in some sort of analyst/recruiting coordinator role, but he wanted an on-field position. Also, I think you are only allowed 10 coaches (other than the head coach) to recruit off campus, so that would have been an issue as well.
I don't think he is all that good of a RB coach, but he has recruited some excellent RBs to LSU. He will certainly be missed, and Ole Miss got a great recruiter.
I don't think he is all that good of a RB coach, but he has recruited some excellent RBs to LSU. He will certainly be missed, and Ole Miss got a great recruiter.
I think people in the know have always historically kind of laughed out loud at the “good recruiter” label that has been bestowed upon such guys like Frank Wilson, Trooper Taylor, Tony Hughes, Barney Farrar, Melvin Smith, etc. “Relationships with the local high schools”, “well connected”, etc. It was always a sham, even if those things were actually true.
In the old days, “good recruiter” was simply code for the coach you employ who could be the low key interface between the boosters and the athlete himself. The guy who knew how to operate in the shadow realm and could let the players know with confidence that they’d be well taken care of, while simultaneously giving the head coach plausible deniability in case anything got sideways. Thats literally all that role was. When that skill actually mattered, some guys were truly better than others. MSU fans saw firsthand how Angelo Mirando essentially blew his whole career trying to be one of those guys when he didn’t know WTF he was doing, or that we had others on staff that already had that role.
Now? It truly doesn’t matter at all. Its the era when the head coach himself can be on the phone with a kid and say “Oh, you’ve got this deal and that deal lined up elsewhere? Well, let me make some calls.” Hiring one of those dudes now makes about as much sense as buying a pager or a typewriter. It might still work and have some benefits, but you aren’t getting the same return on investment.
No. It doesn’t matter anymore.
This isn’t the Ed Orgeron meat market of 2005. We’re way past that, now.
I like harassing GOAT as much as the next SPS’er. That said, this board was not created to help the university or athletics. It was created to freely discuss topics about them, our competitors, and sports in general. With that being the case, you could start a new thread with your last sentence and we can reply to it. That might be an interesting discussion.
Asking GOAT to stop creating threads about sports where he is bitc.hing, being a bitc.h, or in general exuding a level of bitc.hiness only seen by rich teenage girls is not warranted. He should continue to ignore you or he should reply to you like a bitc.h.
Don’t feel bad. I just got into a debate on X that I said majority of Louisiana high school players goes to LSU regardless of the coach there. Of course, Ole Miss fans thinks that they are going to get all of the top Louisiana players because of Frank Wilson
Everyone has money, you still have to recruit. Like Ed Orgeron said, “instead of coming through the back door with the money, you are coming through the front door with the money now.”
Dont fool yourself, paying players is not a new thing.
I never said it was. Plus you completely dodged my question, so I will try again. Does being a good recruiter even matter anymore? If you think for one second the kids of this era are signing because they like the guy, then you are the one fooling yourself. It is simple now, money. You are also fooling yourself if you do not think some have far more money than others. No offense, but the whole implication of everybody having money shows a lack of understanding of the current recruiting landscape. Maybe I am more connected to it because I am helping kids navigate it on a daily basis, and I am really not trying to insult you.
News flash - Just because they are coming through the front door with money now, does not mean they are not coming in the backdoor anymore. The Bag Man and Recruiter are just as revelent as before, perhaps even more so with the NCAA neutered as far enforecement goes.
No, they don’t. Not enough money to go get just anybody.
You still have to recruit against schools in your tier of prestige and financial resources. But those decisions are still largely about money. When schools above your pay grade come along? Forget about it.
This is a very naive and overly simplistic view.
No, paying players isn’t new.
But yes, paying players the astronomical and life changing amounts of money they are making now, and doing it out in the open with essentially crowd sourced funding is very new, and very impactful to their decisions. Also, having to do that not only to get players but also to keep players is new….and puts a big strain on resources.
In 2024-2025, the worst starting QB in the SEC made in the neighborhood of $2.5 million total over 2 years, for 15 games of middling production and just 2 wins against P4 teams. In 2009, the most physically dominant player in college football history - who won the Heisman and single handedly won his team the national title - well, he ultimately got $180,000 for his services, and some change once he got there. It’s a completely different universe now.
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OK. Thank you for the flash. I would disagree, obviously. I think part of this is right, and part is not. It is true that kids are getting legit, and under the table offers now. I see it every day. What is wrong, to me, is thinking that who the bag man is matters anymore. People, and when I say people, I mean recruiters from all the schools we deal with like to fool themselves into thinking that the kids might care about their swag or their personality. The kids today are not nearly as financially illiterate as I was when I was recruited. They are looking for the bag, and the bag is what matters, not who is handing it to them at either door. Just my opinion, but let me say thank you for the civil discourse.
Spot on sir. Kids use to get 20k to 30k with the high end ones getting 100k to 200k. Which is a great deal of money for almost anyone on this board myself included. But now the high end ones are making a game what they use to get paid for their entire 4 years. The amounts are what is drastically different from the 70s, 80s, 90s bag man era days.
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they will certainly start to claim they paid thousands and thousands of dollars to perform Cajun fellatio in hopes of gaining admiration from others.
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a children’s hospital had just as much success recruiting to LSU as Frank Wilson.
For some reason, I was under the impression that Gonzales was a good recruiter....
Precisely. The previous “game” of recruiting was a two-fold system. First part was how far a coaching staff and booster network could push the envelope as far as enticements without attracting too much attention or making too many enemies, while also creating a desirable culture and X’s / O’s system for nearby talent. Second part was the ability to find undervalued, raw players who could be brought in for less investment, developed, and possibly turned into very good or elite players. For both paths, there was an “honor amongst thieves” principle that kept costs relatively low for all….but larger schools still had some advantages.
In this system, fortune favored the bold and the savvy. Money helped in both these areas, but it was a low enough threshold to not be totally insurmountable on a player by player basis. Scholarship limits also helped, but didn’t go far enough to allow for true parity.
Now? Total free for all. No limits whatsoever to how much you should be willing to pay to any particular player from coast to coast. Development? Completely dead. Scholarship limits - which were already too lax even at the 85 / 25 limit times - are now dead. $40-$50 million buyouts being paid midseason for coaches who have won big, in favor of $60-$70 million buyouts for those who MIGHT win bigger or might not. Fortune now just favors the rich.