Ole Miss hires Frank Wilson. They are going all in on this "We are equal to LSU" stuff.....
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You can call goat a cuntshit. On3 let’s that one through without any alterations.
Not sure I would classify what you do as “harassment”. Slight annoyance at most, that anyone would question my all knowing aura******.
But I will say one thing really does chap my asss…….when people refer to me as GOAT, as if I’m referring to myself as some greatest all all time tom17ery. No…..it’s meant as…….actually holding goats.
Bipolar stuff is legit. Guess that’s why I’m on my 4th wife.
ETA: pic is just a dude I saw at a basketball game…..but that just proves the bipolar
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Anyone with the slightest bit of common sense recognizes a 17’ing troll. How the moderators have allowed the consistent shitting on all things State is astonishing?
Trying to think if there’s a more generic name than “Frank Wilson”. It sounds like the name of the local Chevy dealership.
What would you like us to do, ban him? He’s on his 15th username already.
But are we?
if bama is willing to pay $500k and lsu is willing to pay $500k and ole miss is willing to pay $500k, it comes down to something besides money at that point.
He actually answered your question pretty clearly.
yes being a good recruiter still matters.
Money matters more but in some cases money is equal or similar so they choose based on other factors.
Same way with normal people and jobs. A lot of people arent leaving a career for a 10% raise. Some not even for 15 to 20 bc they like where they are and the people they work with and for.
some people leave jobs/careers for less money bc they don’t like where they are.
To funny. I wouldn’t subscribe to jortspage, but hey at least you know your way around websites… and ED is something I’m sure you battle with your most prized goat…
No he actually didn't, but hey agree to disagree, right? Thank you for the civil discourse as I say to everyone I chat with.
I still think it's less of a thing because you can still pay them through the back door on top of the max that's coming through the front door. And the NCAA is as toothless as ever right now.
Money and winning to me is what is attracting the top tier recruits.
Money and winning to me is what is attracting the top tier recruits.
I'm sure its less of a thing but its still important. Money is definitely more important.
You should spend more time on ED as well. They make medicine for that you know.
the bi polar stuff and the dysfunction
If that situation had ever actually happened in the NIL / portal era, you might have a point.
But that scenario isn’t reality. Between NIL and revenue share and even under the table money that’s still out there, no 2 offer packages are ever going to be the exact same. Way too many moving parts. For starters, OM is never going to come close to Bama / LSU for an elite 4*/5* kid that all three really want. So they’re going to be out of the mix early….unless they decide to way overpay and watch the rest of their class go to shít.
Now, looking specifically at LSU vs. Bama - they are in similar tiers financially and can go toe to toe in most respects. But one is eventually gonna have a bigger need than the other, and wind up making the Godfather offer. Say it’s a sophomore portal QB up for grabs that threw for 3,000 yards in P4 as a freshmen. Bama just lost a 1st round pick at QB, and has no proven backup. LSU has a couple of guys they like a lot, one from the portal last year who showed some flashes in his first year. Bama is probably your winner, because desperation will bring out the heavy hitters to pull out the stops.
First you are wrong. Jeffrey Simmons was offered more money to go Alabama but he came to Mississippi state. Not bc he was above taking money or didn’t want the money. We have him just enough to not go to bama. That’s no different than NIL situations.
Second if recruiting doesn’t matter, get off Lebbys balls and pony the 17 up.
Not even worth the time to discuss. Totally different era. But out of curiousity, how much more, since you’re so connected here?
Uhhh….Its very, very different with NIL situations. That’s the whole point. Pre-NIL era, Bama couldn’t just come in and raid MS for all its best players without attracting a lot of unwanted NCAA attention. They still picked their battles here and there. Usually identified their guys early and made them a priority. That’s no longer an issue…..the price checks and balances of the old system are gone.
It’s no coincidence that MSU / OM used to collectively sign 60-70% of the Top 12-15 guys in MS every year, and now that number has dwindled to nearly zero since NIL came into play. OM has like one guy in the Top 10 right now, even with their unprecedented recent success they are struggling hard. Everyone else is headed out of state.
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I mean according to you it doesn't matter how much more. But we didn't pay him what alabama and ole miss offered. And i'm pretty sure a brand new dodge or ford pickup truck sat in macon for several weeks that he didn't claim b/c he didn't go to said school.
But heres the point. Do you think Bama and Ole Miss offered him money? Either they did and we got close and matched it so we out recruited them when money was close to equal OR they did and we didn't offer anything and really out recruited them.
Bama has always raided Mississippis best players. Always. they didn't get 100% then and they arent getting 100% now.
This has way more to do with transfer portal vs NIL.
The point you are missing is that there’s a big difference between turning down $300k at Bama to take $250k-275k at Mississippi State…..knowing that you are making a decision about the next 3 years in that case….vs. turning down $1.5 million at Bama to take $700k at Mississippi State, knowing if it doesn’t work out you can always transfer as much as you want without sitting out. Like I said, completely different eras.
In Simmons’ case, he was making a 3-4 year commitment. If he did in fact take less to go to MSU (which nobody can likely prove regardless), the ability to walk in and start as a true freshmen could easily be worth the slightly less money. If he goes to Bama and can’t get on the field, who knows what happens? He’s stuck there or he has to go FCS.
The money is so much bigger now than it was then that its not even funny. Everyone has a price to where the decision becomes 100% about money.
The facts are that MSU hasn’t signed a Fletcher Cox / Jeffrey Simmons / Chris Jones caliber player out of the high school ranks since Charles Cross in 2018. We used to get one of those type guys at least once every 2-3 years. You really think that is a coincidence?
I stopped reading after $1.5 million.
very few players are making $1.5 million in college. Like maybe 15 maybe.
Lolololol…..
So, that’s a list of 49 players in multiple sports that earned at least $1.5 million in NIL….JUST THIS YEAR. And that doesn’t even include revenue share amounts. #49 is a 17ing women’s basketball player.
You’re way out of your element in this debate.
Those are estimates and when the new rules kick NIL is gonna be harder and rev share is gonna level the money some.
It’s simple. Money matters. Recruiting matters. Money matters more.
Like I said if money is all that matters STFU about Lebby and pony up.
How much do you really think they are off? 10%? 20%? 50%?
Even if actual value is 50% lower, that’s still 49 athletes with a single year value of $750,000, and a 3-year outlook of $2.25 million.
Do what? What new rules? You mean the ones that already did kick in, and had the new sports commission rubber-stamping everything? The ones where they pretended the collectives were going away, and then totally rescinded that after less than a month under the threat of litigation?
Revenue share isn’t leveling anything. Its just an added expenditure that everyone has now, that’s the same amount on a roster to roster basis.
Recruiting = money. They are one in the same. Coaching and winning also matter.
It’s not all that matters. See above. But its a very big piece….the biggest piece. And if those other pieces aren’t place, maximizing the revenue streams for players isn’t possible.
I didn’t agree with you. I said “coaching / winning” matters, meaning having a capable staff that knows what they are doing. Donors and boosters or even regular fans aren’t going to financially invest in NIL if that is not in place.