Ole Miss in NCAA trouble

Todd4State

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siverstreak]I'll give credit where credit is due however, very well concocted story. Saunders, I am told, is as straight an arrow as you'll ever find. Just makes the story sound like a well-time 'release' after a week of disappointing recruiting news.




But it's not going to be anything major, or anything more than a bunch of secondary violations at worst.

Reason I say that is because I know that the NCAA has cracked down on the BYU correspondence courses, but if I had to guess on this, the NCAA will probably shut down whatever Saunders company was. He probably knew that this was coming and got on board with Hud.


While I don't think that this will cause Ole Miss to be put on probation or anything like that, I do think it will make it harder for some of their players to become qualified down the road- and maybe even ours as well.

On the other hand, it won't be any worse than what the NCAA will do to us for the Cam Newton saga.
 

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., but if I had to guess on this, the NCAA will probably shut down whatever Saunders company was. He probably knew that this was coming and got on board with Hud.
Saunders was instrumental in starting the Cellular South Game Plan program which got several high schoolers eligible for all colleges in Mississippi. Saunders is credited with the major turn around of Dandy Dozen players actually being qualified for college. <div>
</div><div>From a Cellular South press release</div><div>
</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 11px; "><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 11px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; line-height: 14px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Cellular South recently hired a full-time staff member committed to the program, and has contracted former Millsaps head coach David Saunders, who is also working with the Select program.</p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 11px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; line-height: 14px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">"Coach Saunders brings a wealth of knowledge to the Cellular South Gameplan," said Watson. "His experience on the recruiting trail allows him to better identify with student-athletes and what they are going through during this important time in their life."</p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 11px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; line-height: 14px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Invitations have already been extended to the state's top juniors, and they have been invited to an ACT workshop in advance of the February testing date.</p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 11px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; line-height: 14px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 11px; "></span></p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 11px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; line-height: 14px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">In addition, the Cellular South Gameplan began a "Select" program during the fall. This program works one-on-one with some of the state's top student-athletes, most of which have received athletic scholarship offers. The participants are selected based on a variety of factors including coaches' recommendations and recruiting service and media rankings.</p><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 12px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; outline-width: 0px; outline-style: initial; outline-color: initial; font-size: 11px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; line-height: 14px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">"The Select program is geared toward helping these student-athletes realize the opportunity that is in front of them," said Watson. "We sit down with these select athletes, their coaches and parents and we do two things. First, we evaluate their transcripts and test scores to determine where they are in meeting NCAA eligibility. Then, we develop a Gameplan for success, and if the student-athlete follows it, they will meet the requirements.</p></span></div>
 

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It still baffles me that MSU folks feel like the Cellular South plan thing is a bad thing, especially now when you have a coach that has made Mississippi his recruiting focus.

The Mississippi recruiting focus might actually be able to work if you can get most of the borderline guys in. That's not happening though without some help. The guidance counselors aren't doing their jobs, so the Gameplan deal comes in and does it for them essentially with specialized plans.

It may be hard to admit, but "the plan" as people call it, has benefited MSU a good bit in recent years.
 

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plan is a bad thing but most agree it is slanted toward Ole Miss which is understandable (UM Boosters) but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I posted last summer that the NCAA was snooping around regarding several UM recruits who were attending the Ed Center; Florida boys and our old buddy Tig among them being looked at. The issue isn't whether UM paid their bill at the ED Center which they most certainly did but they did it the right way thu a church or charitable organization. The issue relates to living and travel expenses during the Ed Center stayand there seems to be at least a sliver of evidence that some hanky panky was going on in regards to that area and someone (maybe) got sloppy. I can tell you that MSU used the ED Center in the past and it certainly is a legitimate organization but MSU has backed off its use for whatever reason. I don't think it has anything to do with the ED Center I just think MSU went in a different direction the last few years and has not been chasing the extremely marginal academic cases as you guys have. I fully expect us to modify our plans and use the Ed Center more in the future as we need to.

I don't expect much to come from this but I don't expect it to just go away either.
 

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I could be wrong, but I swear the other guy in charge of Gameplan was an MSU grad.

Saunders wasn't employed by Ole Miss when he started it, and I think the Watson guy had MSU ties.

For either of our programs to have a chance to succeed at a high level, we have to increase the amount of eligible talent in the state. I'm for anything that does that, and I would think MSU would be even more for it since your history shows that your best teams happen when you are heavy on in-state talent. We haven't been quite as dependent on in-state talent in the modern era for our best teams, but I still think it's in our best interest to have as many of those guys eligible as possible.

Then you get them in the General Ed degree or whatever you have, and you pass them on so you can use them for football.

That's the way it's done in the SEC, and to compete, we have to do it as well. There is no "right way".
 

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FlabLoser said:
Bulldog Backer says

A friend of mine, who is loyal to a fault to MSU, but closely associated
with Ole Miss tells me that there is a bomb about to drop in the lap of
the TSUN. The boys in Birmingham are investigating them. It seems
ineligible signees over the last two years have been housed in Jackson
and all their housing, transportation, tuition and book fees were paid
by David Saunders, former TSUN Athletic Department Official. This was
"The Plan." Over the past two years, unqualified recruits from
Virginia, Florida, and Georgia signed by TSUN were transported to the
Ed Center and all their fees paid by Ole Miss while they were getting
qualified. While this has been the subject of rumor in the past, it
seems the Boys in Birmingham now have photographic evidence of money
passing from Saunders to the driver of the players. Further, they were
also transported to Jackson State for illegal workouts.

Somebody write something on Bleacher Report pronto.
...over this post, allow a moment of reason.

"The Plan," Yancy Porter often referred to for Ole Miss, allegedly was
to send unqualified kids to Jackson to get qualified, BEFORE they
enrolled at Ole Miss. One recruit from a Virginia prep school,
originally from Baltimore, and recruits from Florida and Georgia were
housed, fed, entertained, and transported to and from the Education
Center to take classes and online courses. It seems Ole Miss payed
for their tuition and other expenses with cash provided by Saunders
through their van driver. The van driver also would take them to the
JSU campus to work out at their athletic complex. The people I have
talked too say this is fact, not fiction. One friend alluded to TS
being flipped because he was going to be a client of this program.

If
this is true, then Ole Miss was providing benefits not allowed under
NCAA rules. If you remember, former MSU coach Glenn Davis was accused
by the NCAA of paying $500 for the tuition for a fullback to attend the
Education Center to get qualified. Coach Glenn Davis didn't do it, but
he was accused and the accusation was included in the NCAA report. The
player, a fullback named Wheatley, signed with USM. After the report
came out, Coach Davis vehemently denied the accusation. If the NCAA
used this incident to help place us on probation, you can add the free
housing, food, entertainment, transportation and transportation to the
tuition as violations for Ole Miss. There is also questions whether the
workouts at JSU were designed by and supervised by Ole Miss training
staff.

What Cellular South set up was a noble and positive thing to do for<span style="font-weight: bold;"> Mississippi youngsters</span>, but bringing in kids from Florida, Georgia, and Virginia, i.e., from out of state and illegally housing, feeding, transporting, entertaining, and transporting them was not part of their vision. Further, I hear the van driver would transport them to JSU's athletic complex to participate in workouts designed and monitored by Ole Miss staff.
 

OMlawdog

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Now that football season is over, we get to read the insane ramblings of both fanbases.

I think my favorite part is this:

Further, I hear the van driver would transport them to JSU's athletic complex to participate in workouts designed and monitored by Ole Miss staff.
So Ole Miss coaches would drive down to JSU's facilities to watch them workout? Really? Most Ole Miss coaches don't even watch the players on the team workout in Oxford, but hey Im sure they drove 2 1/2 hours to watch a recruit bench press.

This is also funny:

One recruit from a Virginia prep school, originally from Baltimore, and recruits from Florida and Georgia were housed, fed, entertained, and transported to and from the Education Center to take classes and online courses.
Sowhat type of entertainment? Did they go to the infamous hunting cabin?What type of dirty deeds did these recruits from all over the southeast partake in?

The bestpart about all of these allegations is that for some reason they pop up right after we landTobias Singleton and are rumored to do fairly well in-state recruiting. If this had broke lets say in October, I might give it 1% more credibility, but really a month before signing day?

Can't we both focus onour underachieving basketball teams?
 

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Bulldog Backer said:
FlabLoser said:
Bulldog Backer says

A friend of mine, who is loyal to a fault to MSU, but closely associated with Ole Miss tells me that there is a bomb about to drop in the lap of the TSUN. The boys in Birmingham are investigating them. It seems ineligible signees over the last two years have been housed in Jackson and all their housing, transportation, tuition and book fees were paid by David Saunders, former TSUN Athletic Department Official. This was "The Plan." Over the past two years, unqualified recruits from Virginia, Florida, and Georgia signed by TSUN were transported to the Ed Center and all their fees paid by Ole Miss while they were getting qualified. While this has been the subject of rumor in the past, it seems the Boys in Birmingham now have photographic evidence of money passing from Saunders to the driver of the players. Further, they were also transported to Jackson State for illegal workouts.

Somebody write something on Bleacher Report pronto.
...over this post, allow a moment of reason.

"The Plan," Yancy Porter often referred to for Ole Miss, allegedly was to send unqualified kids to Jackson to get qualified, BEFORE they enrolled at Ole Miss. One recruit from a Virginia prep school, originally from Baltimore, and recruits from Florida and Georgia were housed, fed, entertained, and transported to and from the Education Center to take classes and online courses. It seems Ole Miss payed for their tuition and other expenses with cash provided by Saunders through their van driver. The van driver also would take them to the JSU campus to work out at their athletic complex. The people I have talked too say this is fact, not fiction. One friend alluded to TS being flipped because he was going to be a client of this program.

If this is true, then Ole Miss was providing benefits not allowed under NCAA rules. If you remember, former MSU coach Glenn Davis was accused by the NCAA of paying $500 for the tuition for a fullback to attend the Education Center to get qualified. Coach Glenn Davis didn't do it, but he was accused and the accusation was included in the NCAA report. The player, a fullback named Wheatley, signed with USM. After the report came out, Coach Davis vehemently denied the accusation. If the NCAA used this incident to help place us on probation, you can add the free housing, food, entertainment, transportation and transportation to the tuition as violations for Ole Miss. There is also questions whether the workouts at JSU were designed by and supervised by Ole Miss training staff.

What Cellular South set up was a noble and positive thing to do for<span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"> Mississippi youngsters</span>, but bringing in kids from Florida, Georgia, and Virginia, i.e., from out of state and illegally housing, feeding, transporting, entertaining, and transporting them was not part of their vision. Further, I hear the van driver would transport them to JSU's athletic complex to participate in workouts designed and monitored by Ole Miss staff.

A few questions, have either you or Roy McClain been successful in finding the hidden PLOI yet? If not, please explain to everyone that you perpetuated that ********, just like this.

Please explain the Rosedale bank rumor that you were wrong about. Then you should apologize the the banker you tried to slander.

Also, I like how you say we are breaking the rules with the ED Center, but when the NCAA got Glenn Davis, it was ********. That should show any reasonable fan what a crock you are.

Last, we don't have a player on our roster originally from Maryland that went to prep school. Wayne Dorsey is from Maryland and went to MSGCC before transferring to OM.
 
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When I was in law school at Ole Miss I decided to do some sleuthing of my own to see if you were right all along about this PLOI that was hiding in Khayat's office for all those years. So I went and snuck into the old Chancellor's office, and low and behold, there it was. Except, it wasn't hiding in a desk drawer. That smug bastard had taken the damn thing, blown it up, had it framed in what looked to be an extremely expensive frame, and hung that **** right there on the wall behind his desk for all to see.

So there you are. Vindication! You were right all along!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

OMlawdog

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with varying degrees of success.

For the most part though each school has fared much better than they had in the past about getting players eligible. It used to be both MSU and OM would lose anywhere from 3-5 players to academics, now its usually at most 2, some years everyone that was expected to qualifies, does in fact qualify.
 

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FlabLoser said:
Bulldog Backer says

A friend of mine, who is loyal to a fault to MSU, but closely associated
with Ole Miss tells me that there is a bomb about to drop in the lap of
the TSUN. The boys in Birmingham are investigating them. It seems
ineligible signees over the last two years have been housed in Jackson
and all their housing, transportation, tuition and book fees were paid
by David Saunders, former TSUN Athletic Department Official. This was
"The Plan." Over the past two years, unqualified recruits from
Virginia, Florida, and Georgia signed by TSUN were transported to the
Ed Center and all their fees paid by Ole Miss while they were getting
qualified. While this has been the subject of rumor in the past, it
seems the Boys in Birmingham now have photographic evidence of money
passing from Saunders to the driver of the players. Further, they were
also transported to Jackson State for illegal workouts.

Somebody write something on Bleacher Report pronto.
 

Todd4State

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I don't know why you would think that I was saying that the NCAA would shut down cellular south?
 

Bulldog Backer

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olemissbydamn said:
Bulldog Backer said:
FlabLoser said:
Bulldog Backer says

A friend of mine, who is loyal to a fault to MSU, but closely associated with Ole Miss tells me that there is a bomb about to drop in the lap of the TSUN. The boys in Birmingham are investigating them. It seems ineligible signees over the last two years have been housed in Jackson and all their housing, transportation, tuition and book fees were paid by David Saunders, former TSUN Athletic Department Official. This was "The Plan." Over the past two years, unqualified recruits from Virginia, Florida, and Georgia signed by TSUN were transported to the Ed Center and all their fees paid by Ole Miss while they were getting qualified. While this has been the subject of rumor in the past, it seems the Boys in Birmingham now have photographic evidence of money passing from Saunders to the driver of the players. Further, they were also transported to Jackson State for illegal workouts.

Somebody write something on Bleacher Report pronto.
...over this post, allow a moment of reason.

"The Plan," Yancy Porter often referred to for Ole Miss, allegedly was to send unqualified kids to Jackson to get qualified, BEFORE they enrolled at Ole Miss. One recruit from a Virginia prep school, originally from Baltimore, and recruits from Florida and Georgia were housed, fed, entertained, and transported to and from the Education Center to take classes and online courses. It seems Ole Miss payed for their tuition and other expenses with cash provided by Saunders through their van driver. The van driver also would take them to the JSU campus to work out at their athletic complex. The people I have talked too say this is fact, not fiction. One friend alluded to TS being flipped because he was going to be a client of this program.

If this is true, then Ole Miss was providing benefits not allowed under NCAA rules. If you remember, former MSU coach Glenn Davis was accused by the NCAA of paying $500 for the tuition for a fullback to attend the Education Center to get qualified. Coach Glenn Davis didn't do it, but he was accused and the accusation was included in the NCAA report. The player, a fullback named Wheatley, signed with USM. After the report came out, Coach Davis vehemently denied the accusation. If the NCAA used this incident to help place us on probation, you can add the free housing, food, entertainment, transportation and transportation to the tuition as violations for Ole Miss. There is also questions whether the workouts at JSU were designed by and supervised by Ole Miss training staff.

What Cellular South set up was a noble and positive thing to do for<span style="font-weight: bold;"> Mississippi youngsters</span>, but bringing in kids from Florida, Georgia, and Virginia, i.e., from out of state and illegally housing, feeding, transporting, entertaining, and transporting them was not part of their vision. Further, I hear the van driver would transport them to JSU's athletic complex to participate in workouts designed and monitored by Ole Miss staff.

A few questions, have either you or Roy McClain been successful in finding the hidden PLOI yet? If not, please explain to everyone that you perpetuated that ********, just like this.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">---Shortly after Roy and I posted that there was a PLOI, Chancellor Robert Khayat announced that Ole Miss had developed a "new and creative" way of handling NCAA inquiries. It seems that Ole Miss placed an attorney on retainer with power of attorney to handle Ole Miss NCAA inquiries on their behalf. I stand by what I said. </span><br style="font-weight: bold;">
Please explain the Rosedale bank rumor that you were wrong about. Then you should apologize the the banker you tried to slander.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">The First National Bank of Rosedale was closed by the FDIC and Henry McCaslin was removed as President. This isn't over.</span>

Also, I like how you say we are breaking the rules with the ED Center, but when the NCAA got Glenn Davis, it was ********. That should show any reasonable fan what a crock you are.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Glenn Davis denied that he ever paid for the tuition at the Ed Center.</span> <span style="font-weight: bold;">What has Saunders said?</span>

Last, we don't have a player on our roster originally from Maryland that went to prep school. Wayne Dorsey is from Maryland and went to MSGCC before transferring to OM.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Whoopee</span>! <span style="font-weight: bold;">Bobbie Massie</span> <span style="font-weight: bold;">is from Virginia. You got me there. </span>
 

olemissbydamn

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Bulldog Backer said:
olemissbydamn said:
Bulldog Backer said:
FlabLoser said:
Bulldog Backer says

A friend of mine, who is loyal to a fault to MSU, but closely associated with Ole Miss tells me that there is a bomb about to drop in the lap of the TSUN. The boys in Birmingham are investigating them. It seems ineligible signees over the last two years have been housed in Jackson and all their housing, transportation, tuition and book fees were paid by David Saunders, former TSUN Athletic Department Official. This was "The Plan." Over the past two years, unqualified recruits from Virginia, Florida, and Georgia signed by TSUN were transported to the Ed Center and all their fees paid by Ole Miss while they were getting qualified. While this has been the subject of rumor in the past, it seems the Boys in Birmingham now have photographic evidence of money passing from Saunders to the driver of the players. Further, they were also transported to Jackson State for illegal workouts.

Somebody write something on Bleacher Report pronto.
...over this post, allow a moment of reason.

"The Plan," Yancy Porter often referred to for Ole Miss, allegedly was to send unqualified kids to Jackson to get qualified, BEFORE they enrolled at Ole Miss. One recruit from a Virginia prep school, originally from Baltimore, and recruits from Florida and Georgia were housed, fed, entertained, and transported to and from the Education Center to take classes and online courses. It seems Ole Miss payed for their tuition and other expenses with cash provided by Saunders through their van driver. The van driver also would take them to the JSU campus to work out at their athletic complex. The people I have talked too say this is fact, not fiction. One friend alluded to TS being flipped because he was going to be a client of this program.

If this is true, then Ole Miss was providing benefits not allowed under NCAA rules. If you remember, former MSU coach Glenn Davis was accused by the NCAA of paying $500 for the tuition for a fullback to attend the Education Center to get qualified. Coach Glenn Davis didn't do it, but he was accused and the accusation was included in the NCAA report. The player, a fullback named Wheatley, signed with USM. After the report came out, Coach Davis vehemently denied the accusation. If the NCAA used this incident to help place us on probation, you can add the free housing, food, entertainment, transportation and transportation to the tuition as violations for Ole Miss. There is also questions whether the workouts at JSU were designed by and supervised by Ole Miss training staff.

What Cellular South set up was a noble and positive thing to do for<span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"> Mississippi youngsters</span>, but bringing in kids from Florida, Georgia, and Virginia, i.e., from out of state and illegally housing, feeding, transporting, entertaining, and transporting them was not part of their vision. Further, I hear the van driver would transport them to JSU's athletic complex to participate in workouts designed and monitored by Ole Miss staff.

A few questions, have either you or Roy McClain been successful in finding the hidden PLOI yet? If not, please explain to everyone that you perpetuated that ********, just like this.

<span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">---Shortly after Roy and I posted that there was a PLOI, Chancellor Robert Khayat announced that Ole Miss had developed a "new and creative" way of handling NCAA inquiries. It seems that Ole Miss placed an attorney on retainer with power of attorney to handle Ole Miss NCAA inquiries on their behalf. I stand by what I said. </span><br style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">
Please explain the Rosedale bank rumor that you were wrong about. Then you should apologize the the banker you tried to slander.

<span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">The First National Bank of Rosedale was closed by the FDIC and Henry McCaslin was removed as President. This isn't over.</span>

Also, I like how you say we are breaking the rules with the ED Center, but when the NCAA got Glenn Davis, it was ********. That should show any reasonable fan what a crock you are.

<span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Glenn Davis denied that he ever paid for the tuition at the Ed Center.</span> <span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">What has Saunders said?</span>

Last, we don't have a player on our roster originally from Maryland that went to prep school. Wayne Dorsey is from Maryland and went to MSGCC before transferring to OM.

<span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Whoopee</span>! <span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Bobbie Massie</span> <span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">is from Virginia. You got me there. </span>
So how did you and the diapersalesman find outabout this PLOI that we've kept under wraps forover a decade?Does the NCAA consult you message board heros? And for the record, you guys were talking about this PLOI for years beforeKhayat was quotedas saying "new and creative way", which was just self reporting,in 2003.

Yes, the FDIC closed the First National Bank of Rosedale along with a number of other banks in the country. However, you claimed it was because of moneygoing to OM players in the Delta. That was an outright lie and you were wrong. You still are, but you cling to the story.

So Glenn Davis denies the story and you take it at face value despite the NCAA sanctions. However, you allege that Saunders isguilty of the same thing because he hasn't made a statement saying he didn't. Have you consider that he hasn't made a statement because all of this is a figment of your imagination? Is he supposed to call a press conference from ULL based on message board reports from an unreliable fan calling himself BulldogBacker?

Backer,

You are like a lot ofpeople new to the message board scene. You see a rumor on your homerific board that says OM did something wrong. You want it to be right so bad that you believe it. All of it. Most of us fell into this trap when we startedusing sports message boards. However, most of us realized how stupid we were for believing that **** years ago. You've been on the *%%$$%$ internet falling for this same **** for15 years. When will yourgoofey *** learn?
 

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one doesn't have to be in close proximity to "monitor" work outs. All you need is a notebook put together by the OM S.T. staff to lay-out and record Johnny Threestar's work-out routine.
 

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Former basketball player, and a good guy. I for one think the Gameplan as originally conceived was a great idea, and it probably needs to continue in some form. In an altruistic sense, it certainly does. The state needs any program we can get that would help bring us out of the cellar academically.

I happen to know the Cellular South people, and to lump them all in as Ole Miss people would be incorrect. Several of their leaders are -- the President, the EVP of their original parent company, and of course the founders themselves -- so there is definitely a UM lean, but knowing them I doubt that they are involved personally (too much) in providing many extra benefits for Ole Miss commits.

All that being said, I think what happened in general was UM abused (maybe over-used is a better word) what started out as a student-oriented system. Someone linked with the football team found a way to use the Program to their benefit to get marginal student-athletes eligible, and they began to use it. They used it to its full extent... And over time, found new ways to stretch the boundaries of how it was originally intended to be used, until it was more of an athlete eligibility factory than a student services program. Just to be clear, I'm not pointing fingers at Ole Miss because of this. It was originally a good idea, and I can't blame them for trying to make it work to their advantage. My only point in posting this is to tell you that some MSU people do/did see it as a good thing. Unfortunately for some, it sounds like the system as it once was is coming to an abrupt end.