Ole Miss opening with Boise State in 2011...

[missouridawg]

I'm not saying that Boise isn't a top 15 program or anything like that... They are a great team. But they are NOT a top 4 or 5 team.<div>
</div><div>The specific situation I'm talking about... is if and when Boise comes and beats Ole Miss... the national media will remind EVERYONE of this every weekend and it will be their "measuring stick" win... when, in fact, it's probably not much of a measuring stick (unless Ole Miss can run the table after the loss).</div>

 

[rebelrouseri]

schedules anyway (Ark, Bama, LSU) so why the need to add Boise? And we're going to pay them a ton of money for only one game but we are going to travel to Fresno the same year? Boise is actually a cool town. Seems like we should have paid Fresno less for a home only and then travel to Boise.

 

[Xenomorph]

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[BriantheDawg]

But good try, Dr. Phil.

Go back and look at your schedules throughout the years. OP doesn't know what he's talking about. And I just proved it. Your football schedules have always been a joke, which is why it surprises me you scheduled Boise and then Texas. Kudos to your AD for finally growing a pair.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

do according to you. 16 teams play in BCS games, and you just admitted they were top 15.

 

[olemissbydamn]

I'd think state fans would be the last to talk **** about scheduling. Some highlights of the last decade of MSU OOC schedules...

Troy (1-1)
Oregon (0-2)
Houston (0-3)
Gave MTSU a home and home (2-0)
Went to LA Tech and lost
Georgia Tech (0-2)
Gardener Webb...who?
Jacksonville St. (2-0)
Gave UAB a home and home and went 1-1
Tulane (3-2)
Lost to Maine at home
BYU (1-1)

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[AlCoDog]

Is how much you seem to know about State football, and how much time you spend over here making sure you defend every Ole Miss thread.

ETA: The point of the thread was whether or not it is wise to schedule difficult OOC opponenets, but you get your feelings hurt for some reason and find a way to turn it iinto a chance to take a shot at State.

 

[DerHntr]

it is clear from those results that we don't think OM should schedule such a difficult matchup. DS even started the thread saying he didn't understand OM doing this with such a difficult conference schedule.

you proved our point by showing the losses to Oregon, GaTech, and BYU.

i hope bruiser wishes a broken leg for you

 

[RebelBruiser]

it is clear from those results that we don't think OM should schedule such a difficult matchup. DS even started the thread saying he didn't understand OM doing this with such a difficult conference schedule.

you proved our point by showing the losses to Oregon, GaTech, and BYU.

i hope bruiser wishes a broken leg for you

It's not that our AD is growing a pair. It's just that your AD was stupid for many years.

You don't get bonus balls points for playing and losing to good teams OOC. You get 5-7 seasons, where you should've been bowling if not for your AD being a poor scheduler.

That said, I'll admit that more often than not our AD has been lucky moreso than good when it comes to scheduling OOC games. Last year, we were lucky that TCU backed out on us to play and beat Clemson instead, so that we could play Northern Arizona and go to the Cotton Bowl.

 

[DerHntr]

our scheduling was moronic and yours was appropriate. and now the scheduling of this game is moronic.

i'd say i am being pretty consistent that cream puffs are what should be scheduled no matter if it is OM or MSU.

edit: now please wish a broken leg on your friend

 

[olemissbydamn]

Is how much you seem to know about State football, and how much time you spend over here making sure you defend every Ole Miss thread.

ETA: The point of the thread was whether or not it is wise to schedule difficult OOC opponenets, but you get your feelings hurt for some reason and find a way to turn it iinto a chance to take a shot at State.

No feelings hurt, it's just funny. You probably think I get worked up by !@%#.

It's just that you have a group arguing that we never play anybody and another group saying how dumb it is to schedule a good team.

I think Boise State has enoughof a rep now that it will be abig story for opening weekendif you win and won't be a big deal if you lose. I wonder if they'll nationally televise your future matchups AT Troy and AT UAB.

It seemsa lot of people in this thread are worried that a loss would further legitimize BSU and hurt the SEC.

 

[olemissbydamn]

You are saying that your scheduling was moronic mostly (outside of the other moronic scheduling I mentioned above...USM, Houston, Troy) because you lost to Orgeon and WVU. You are assuming we'll lose to Boise as the basis of that arguement. What if we win?

Outside of the SEC, to the casual fan, Boise is a player on the NCAA football scene now. If we beat them, they'll be a lot of chatter about it nationally and it would be a great momentum builder for the season. If we lose, we lost to Boise St.

Last season, postershere refused to admit that we were a decent team. They always pointed to our schedule as being weak.

 

[DerHntr]

it's the "what if we lose?" part that i am talking about. you should never lose to the teams that we have lost to that were bottom feeders. you have a much more likelihood of losing to Boise AND on your first game of the season than you do LaTech or Memphis.

as for last season, you weren't a great team but you did have great scheduling. also you shouldn't have lost the game at USC. anyone saying you weren't a good team with a 9-4 final record is kidding themselves. it would be a banner year at MSU and they know it.

more explanation. for example in 2009 (assuming you won the USC game), going into the Bama game at 4-0 with a win against Boise versus a win against Memphis in your first game doesn't help OM much. in fact, i would bet it is better to play memphis because you have less of a chance of getting guys hurt against a much more inferior opponent. plus you can get some reps in for your second string when you begin to blow them out. this helps with some early season depth and confidence too.

 

[markymark.sixpack]

but not anymore. you may get a chance to find out this year if they make it to the BCS championship game (which is not far fetched at all).

 

[AlCoDog]

Is how much you seem to know about State football, and how much time you spend over here making sure you defend every Ole Miss thread.

ETA: The point of the thread was whether or not it is wise to schedule difficult OOC opponenets, but you get your feelings hurt for some reason and find a way to turn it iinto a chance to take a shot at State.

No feelings hurt, it's just funny. You probably think I get worked up by !@%#.

It's just that you have a group arguing that we never play anybody and another group saying how dumb it is to schedule a good team.

I think Boise State has enoughof a rep now that it will be abig story for opening weekendif you win and won't be a big deal if you lose. I wonder if they'll nationally televise your future matchups AT Troy and AT UAB.

It seemsa lot of people in this thread are worried that a loss would further legitimize BSU and hurt the SEC.

So our record vs OOC opponents in the last decade has what to do with it?I just don't understand how that fits into the discussion.

 

[Rebels7]

No one is saying Boise would run the table in the SEC or Big 12, or anywhere else. But they have done a great job of winning the games they do play, and that includes a few top flight programs.

 

[Rebels7]

You're the kid with Down's calling the autistic kid retarded.

 

[jacksonreb1]

was critcized for his out of conf schedules 50+ yrs ago. he said "nobody remembers who or how much, just how many". i less fondly remember the 70' and early 80's when we did schedule some ooc toughies, most notably ND in 76 or 77 or both, but i digress. in those times some were fond of saying, well we're the best 4-7 team in the country, LOL. reminds me of some of the comments from my bulldog friends in recent yrs when ya'll have played very tough ooc schedules.

all that said, vaught was right. outside of threads like this on rival boards and a few comments by analysts nobody remembers who. our admittedly weak ooc schedule last yr didn't keep us out of the cotton bowl and other than as i say threads like this, there are no asterisks by nutt's two yr record at ole miss of 18-8.

on the amusing side (to avoid crying of course) we've had a knack for building programs for others. in the 70's we scheduled several "light weights" ooc....tx tech being the most memorable. they had done NOTHING for yrs and 3-4 yrs after the agreement they rolled onto our schedule in the best few yrs they had had in 50 yrs. kicked our butts. maybe boone is trying some reverse mojo and figures since boise is good now, by the time they come to us they'll be over it. LOL

 

[jacksonreb1]

in getting this arranged, as in all of the 900k may not be ours or may be reimbursed + because this is to be a marquee espn tv game and they wanted it badly.

 

[FireworksForJeffy]

We've been doing better as a program lately, and I'm glad to see our administration 'meet the challenge' or whatever. I'm 10 times more likely to go to an OOC game if it's a Boise State over, say, Maine or Northern Arizona.

Serious programs play these kinds of OOC games. Arkansas has played Texas, Auburn has scheduled USC. Your logic is predicated on the assumption that we're as bad a program as you are, and we're not. If we lose, #!*# it, we lose, but at least we didn't lose to Memphis or Houston.

It would only be a moronic decision if we were the kind of program that was nearly guaranteed to lose. Y'all had no chance in hell against Oregon or WVU. I'd say we can play a competitive game against Boise St, and if we win, we beat a team that has won 2 BCS bowls in the last 5 years.

 

[jacksonreb1]

same reason we and msu shouldn't play usm....and not from boise's point of view.....bama/fla even uga would be nuts to schedule boise. if they win who cares its boise and if they lose (which they very well could) it kills them. for all the talk about boise they still don't get the respect they probably deserve so for bama et al its a no win situation. an ole miss is about as good as boise is going to schedule from a major conference right now. and frankly from where we sit, IMO, if we beat them we'll get some credit for it where a bama wouldn't

 

[dawgstudent]

We had no chance in hell against BYU or Oregon? We signed the series with both after coming a SEC West Champhionship, following it with a 10-2 season, and then the next season - we went 8-4 and proclaiming by most that we were going to be at least a contender for the SEC the next year. Yea, we didn't have a chance. And we completely beat the **** out of BYU in 2000.

You are stupid.

Edit to Add - I believe we signed the series with BYU a year earlier than Oregon.

 

[FireworksForJeffy]

And if you did the scheduling when you did, then you probably felt then about it how we feel about the Boise St game now. Were y'all calling LT moronic for scheduling them when he did?

("no chance" - I was referring to the 2nd of the two game y'all played against Oregon, and the hindsight view by most of y'all's fans. And y'all never had any chance for the West Virginia games, seriously)

The point is that DerHntr has this debbie downer view of scheduling decent opponents for OOC games, and I think it's because y'all lost them so badly.

 

[olemissbydamn]

Let's look at the early press in regards to this move...

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/10812/good-move-for-ole-miss

http://www.mrsec.com/story/ole-miss-adds-boise-state-in-2011-espn-plays-god

http://blogs.clarionledger.com/um/2010/05/13/ole-miss-will-host-boise-state-in-2011-home-football-opener/

I think one reason you all think this is such a terrible move is you realize all the great publicity we'll get from the matchup. ESPN will give this game a great time slot and pimp it for weeks leading up to the game.

 

[PBRME]

Mizzou went 8-5 and Wake went 11-3.

I don't like the idea of more than one good OOC game, but I do like the idea of one tough or at least interesting OOC game. Im looking forward to the Fresno game and now the Boise game.

Every schedule should have two cupcakes, one medium cupcake (Tulane) and one interesting OOC team.

Im pumped about seeing it happen. I doubt we win, but its fun and at the end of the day, that is all that matters.

You also finished 4-8 in 2006. 2more cupcakes instead of Mizzou and Wake and you were bowling that season.Play 4 cupcakes and win 2SEC games and you get much more exposure because of the bowlgame.

 

[AlCoDog]

Ipersonally like playing good teams at home. You will get alot of exposure. It's fun to see those teams play that you would normally never see in person, but do you not at least see the argument as to why it may not be a good idea?

And of course, I knowthis is not a possibility, but what if they come down here and skull 17 you? Will you be linking the post game articles over here as well?

 

[BriantheDawg]

and yours is every single year essentially. Good try though.

 

[dawgstudent]

and to answer your question - I thought it wasn't but it has been proven now that the SEC is ridiculously head and shoulders above everyone else. No reason to go out and prove yourselves.

I do agree it's a primetime game for y'all.

 

[dawgstudent]

I just think it's stupid. If Ole Miss is consistently an 9 win team each year, I don't mind the scheduling. Now if you are consistently a 6 or 7 win team that is hovering around bowl eligibility, this type of scheduling is stupid.

And I honestly see Ole Miss hovering around the latter more often than not. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Rebels7]

See what I did there?

 

[RebelBruiser]

Mizzou went 8-5 and Wake went 11-3.

I don't like the idea of more than one good OOC game, but I do like the idea of one tough or at least interesting OOC game. Im looking forward to the Fresno game and now the Boise game.

Every schedule should have two cupcakes, one medium cupcake (Tulane) and one interesting OOC team.

Im pumped about seeing it happen. I doubt we win, but its fun and at the end of the day, that is all that matters.

You also finished 4-8 in 2006. 2more cupcakes instead of Mizzou and Wake and you were bowling that season.Play 4 cupcakes and win 2SEC games and you get much more exposure because of the bowlgame.

I agree with that line of thinking, much like 4 cupcakes would've had you in the Liberty Bowl or something similar this year most likely.

 

[DerHntr]

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[RebelBruiser]

so it could be worse. I don't like our 2011 schedule, because not only do we have that game, but we play what is always a competitive Fresno State team at their place. That's potential for 2 losses OOC, which means we might have to go 4-4 in league play to make a bowl. That's not easy.

I think we'll be good enough in 2011 to be competing with those teams, but I'd still rather have the easy OOC schedule.

The home schedule for 2011 will be nice though with Georgia, LSU, Arkansas, Alabama, and Boise all on the slate. That's going to be big for season ticket sales if nothing else. It can't be much bigger.

 

[DerHntr]

when you play the SEC schedule year in and year out, you don't schedule a team that has been to two BCS bowls in the last five years. it has nothing to do with you being OM and us being State. I could care less what your record is. I would think Bama would be stupid to do it and they won the whole damn thing last year.

it simply isn't necessary. winning most of your SEC games and almost all of your OOC games is a recipe for success. and just like most of you on nafoom and the OM posters who came here said at the end of last season, losing your way into a bowl game is much better than winning your way to the end of your season. i'd gladly have had the cream puff teams over some of the teams we have gotten drummed by. plus if we had had won half of those games it still wouldn't be worth it.

 

[DerHntr]

when considering how tough it can get some seasons. i just love it when i see the upcoming SEC schedule about 3 games into the season and there are usually 4 or 5 ranked opponents. warms the heart.

again though, you shouldn't lose that Memphis game in most years but with the way Boise has been the last half decade or so you have a much higher chance of being 0-1 than playing Memphis. i say this from a standpoint of any SEC team.

if you guys don't break some season ticket sales records in 2011 then something has gone wrong.

 

[Sutterkane]

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[Rebels7]

I'm not even sure where Ruston is. And Wyoming went to a bowl game last year. Sooooo......

 

[DerHntr]

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[Rebels7]

My point is, that State making fun of Ole Miss; OOC is just as dumb as Ole Miss making fun of State's OOC. We both play (generally) ****** football teams, and sometimes lose to them.

 

[olemissbydamn]

I just think it's stupid. If Ole Miss is consistently an 9 win team each year, I don't mind the scheduling. Now if you are consistently a 6 or 7 win team that is hovering around bowl eligibility, this type of scheduling is stupid.

And I honestly see Ole Miss hovering around the latter more often than not. Maybe I'm wrong.

How many wins did we havein the last two years?

Oh, that's right...9 both years. (and yes, I realize you meant like 4 seasons in a row)

So you think we shouldgo ahead and predetermine this season as a failure and use that as the reasoning behind not scheduling adecent teamin the future?

Youact likeyou can see the future and it will be impossible for us to get bowl eligible in 2011 with Boise on the schedule.

What if we win 6-7 next year? Would it be out of the question for us to improve the following year?

And what exactly in my post indicated that"I'm thinking too highly of myself"...the fact that I said we'd get good publicity?

You and I both know that ESPN will make a huge deal out of this game for weeks leading up to it.If you lose, they talk about it for a day or two until theystart discussing next week's game. You and I both know that you can't put a value on the amount of attention that will be givenleading up to that game. You couldn't buy it.