On Scout, spot on recruiting reply by Rosebowl in thread "For Steve"

dawgphd

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started at 11:07 pm.

I don't always agree with him, but I really agree with his thoughts in that particular post.

In summary, he says we have to at least set our sights higher than we currently are.

One point, Steve posts that our coaches should ask themselves when recruiting "Will this player help me beat Alabama?". If not, probably shouldn't offer.


I don't know if posts are considered copyrighted material and I don't know an intellectual property lawyer so I won't copy the paste the whole thing.
 

irondawg007

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I agree we need more quality players to matchup head-to-head with the SEC giants, but his philosophy should not be dependent on the number of 'stars' a player earns on recruiting sites. If so, based on our competition, we would have 2-3 players in each class. It needs to be a combination of good recruiting of top talent thats well-known and a good idea for hidden talent that we can develop.
 

Todd4State

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Isn't Rosebowl the guy

that had Benardrick McKinney rated a two star for the longest time, Chris Jones as a three star, and had Templeton Hardy a four star? Or at least his network did, and if he knew better then he should have changed it.

I trust Dan more than Rosebowl when it comes to talent evaluation any and every day, and for him to suggest that we need to "set our sites higher"- when he can't evaluate what we've got as accurately as our coaches is laughable at best.

Also for him to suggest that we recruit players knowing that they won't help us beat Alabama is equally as absurd as well. Does he think we are sand bagging it or something?

And I may be in the minority, but as far as our current recruiting class there isn't one WTF guy in it.
 

jacksonreb

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nothing on any of these sports interweb sites could remotely be considered intellectual property......just sayin'
 

Heawww

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Rosebowl is a self-praising prick who needs to be fired. First, don't get me started on his and Gene's love-fest for Fat F*ck Devinner and their proclamation that 'people should be punished for their actions', as if it's his job to judge. Secondly, F*CK that guy for thinking he knows **** about recruiting, and can any way judge Dan Mullen on it.

You people that pay for that site are Grade A dipshits. I don't care if he's a good guy or not, in some of your opinions. If he'd know his place, he'd be fine. Now his ego is causing him to attempt to hurt MSU, and the idiot sheep eat it up. He needs to be eradicated from MSU internet.
 
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AlSwearengen

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Rosebowl also thought Davinner worked for the CIA

I hope what he said has been taken out of context here. If not, then he needs to drop the recruiting site and become a coach and beat Saban.
 

MrKotter

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So, his theory is to recruit a bunch of highly rated badasses and you should have a good team? Genius, I'll call Mullen a bit later and fill his *** in.

What a 17tard.
 

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operch

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I went and read the thread. SR said nothing none of you would not have agreed with.
 

121Josey

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Couldn't disagree more

A lot of respect for you T4S, but this is one of the few times I'll disagree.
that had Benardrick McKinney rated a two star for the longest time, Chris Jones as a three star, and had Templeton Hardy a four star? Or at least his network did, and if he knew better then he should have changed it.
Not that I'm a Scout apologist, but 247 does update their rankings faster than Scout. Rosebowl noted that CJ was ranked too low. Actually, we all knew CJ was better than his summer ranking and I'm glad the lid was kept on until the Under-Armour game. 247 didn't give CJ real attention until well into December. We both know that Rosebowl isn't the only person responsible for ranking recruits on Scout.

This quote will do for McKinney: McKinney, who is not ranked at his position in any of the major recruiting services and also plays quarterback for Rosa Fort High School, is the 16th commitment in the 2011 recruiting class

What did you expect them to rank Hardy? He played in the Under-Armour game.

I trust Dan more than Rosebowl when it comes to talent evaluation any and every day, and for him to suggest that we need to "set our sites higher"- when he can't evaluate what we've got as accurately as our coaches is laughable at best.
Let's not act like *** recruits "accurately". He has done well finding some jewels, but lets not act like he's passed over better talent to take these lower-ranked players. He's just done a better job at preparing them to play.

By the way, it's "set our sights higher".

Also for him to suggest that we recruit players knowing that they won't help us beat Alabama is equally as absurd as well. Does he think we are sand bagging it or something?
I don't know the context but this could go many different directions. One possibility is if our goal is to beat the Bama scheme, we can't be recruiting just to stop the run-n-gun offenses. "Beat Bama" is the thesis statement. Any other information puts you off track. He could have easily said something abstract like winning an SEC or national championship. Bama makes it personal. Another possibility is that he is saying not to rely on the recruiting rankings. Recruit the best fit for your scheme, not the (best) available athlete.

And I may be in the minority, but as far as our current recruiting class there isn't one WTF guy in it.
When you sign primarily 2-3 star athletes, is there ever a WTF in the crowd? We've just learned to trust the process. Do you see one "this is the next WT17 CJ/BM/JBanks/DSlay/CoxorCox" in this class?

The point is that both the coaches and players have to think that we can compete with Bama on and off the field. If we do that, it will start to show up in both areas. In order to win, we first have to start closing the gap.
 
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EAVdog

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This is the kind of garbage that drives me crazy

How many teams have beaten Alabama in the last 4 years? Evaluating players on whether or not they can somehow create the talent pool required to beat the absolute most powerful dynastic and successful football program that college football has seen in 30 years is retarded. If that truly is the basis by which every program should offer scholarships then well there wouldn't be many players getting scholarships.

People need to realize that Byrne/Stricklin and Mullen have elevated our program to heights we've never seen. We might be just mid to low tier SEC but the SEC is the Stratosphere of College Football right now. We're among giants now. And it's good to be one of the giants, we as a fan base need to realize that and quit this 'poor is me' BS attitude.

How many players have signed on in the NFL since Mullen has been here? (Cherrington signed with Seattle by the way, another nobody) We expect, and will see our players get drafted every year going forward.

How many national awards, like the Thorpe Award, had we won before Mullen got here?

When was the last time we went to 3 bowl games in a row? There have been entire decades where we didn't go to 3 bowls games.

Gene/Rosebowl just need to STFU and go away. They are old MSU. They are the Larry Templeton of our sports media. They prefer to see us on probation just so they can poke a finger at a rival. If you pay those guys money you may as well just donate money to every other SEC teams booster club because they are a detriment to our program.
 

Cooterpoot

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You've got a guy that was in jail/rehab (and tells about it numerous times a year for self-serving reasons) who was working at a finance company/bank/whatever rating players and acting like he knows **** about college athletics. And his partner Mr. Black Jeans was a railroad worker for years and just started up a site before catching on with Scout through basically a website merger.
This is why I have zero confidence in star ratings beyond the obvious freaks of nature that we could call see are great.